Spending money wrongly credited to you
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Exactly that, the waitress said she handed over , owner said he didn’t understand what it was , it was one of those clear post office bags they put your euros in , pretty dam obvious what it was , the staff were all English , claims he left it by the till ( after saying he didn’t know what envelope) and it was gone and someone must have thrown it away , we had good earwig .
The guy that lost the money seemed remarkably cailm and took it on the chin , thought it was his fault for leaving £800 of Euro’s on a table ,
Guy that found it , friend and expat now living in Switzerland was mugged 3 hours after landing and lost even more money, had a black eye where he fell over running after them . He has a habit of carrying way to much cash , I don’t know why , and personally I think someone had seen him with his wallet out and tipped crims off , his Swiss mate who had about €50 they left alone. Crime wasn’t reported , he couldn’t see the point
The guy that lost the money seemed remarkably cailm and took it on the chin , thought it was his fault for leaving £800 of Euro’s on a table ,
Guy that found it , friend and expat now living in Switzerland was mugged 3 hours after landing and lost even more money, had a black eye where he fell over running after them . He has a habit of carrying way to much cash , I don’t know why , and personally I think someone had seen him with his wallet out and tipped crims off , his Swiss mate who had about €50 they left alone. Crime wasn’t reported , he couldn’t see the point
martinbiz said:
Read the post correctly, apparently they didn't give it to the owner, , or leave it on the table, they gave it to the waitress!!!
Going off topic here. But give your head a wobble.The point of the post was to suggest that people do unfortunately get away with such crimes.
In Spain, we all know the police tend to be more relaxed. In the UK however, we like to think there’s a bit more to them.
The police had to get involved when it happened to me and it was all sorted out. I’m surprised they are not doing more in this case.
And we saw the waitress take it over to the owner and take it behind the bar, they had cctv that was checked and did show the money on the tables but didn’t cover the area where the cash was “left”, surprise surprise !
Every one commented at the time that the cash would never make it back to the owner, if we hadn’t been in the bar still it would have been a simple “ sorry not seen it and nothing’s been handed in, this is Benidorm mate , if you left it on a table it’s long gone”
I suspect the waitress would have taken it as a tip if we hadn’t beaten her to the table
Every one commented at the time that the cash would never make it back to the owner, if we hadn’t been in the bar still it would have been a simple “ sorry not seen it and nothing’s been handed in, this is Benidorm mate , if you left it on a table it’s long gone”
I suspect the waitress would have taken it as a tip if we hadn’t beaten her to the table
The "I've been saving money for years argument". It couldn't be old fivers / tenners. So if it was 20 / 50 pound notes, there'd not be many if it was £800 that was physically counted.
Even my local chinese takeaway place has cctv - that's family run, and doesn't take thousands of pounds from individual customers (and definitely isn't a target for people want to pinch thousands of pounds / euros / dollars).
If it's 8k being deposited in cash, isn't there a money laundering question to be asked aswell?
Even my local chinese takeaway place has cctv - that's family run, and doesn't take thousands of pounds from individual customers (and definitely isn't a target for people want to pinch thousands of pounds / euros / dollars).
If it's 8k being deposited in cash, isn't there a money laundering question to be asked aswell?
speedyguy said:
No thanks. I'd rather they utilised present resources better rather than just 'increase tax'.
Did you know mine and other people's money is finite and is not an endless tap ?
Just like mine, then? I'm sure you ideas on utilising resources better would be welcomed by your local Police and Crime Commissioner. You clearly know better how and where they should be used. Do keep us posted. Did you know mine and other people's money is finite and is not an endless tap ?
Before we met, the OH was on a hen do in Benidorm, they were in a cafe eating lunch & someone pinched her bag from the back of her chair, with her phone in, cards, cash, passport as they'd only just got to the hotel.
She realised it was missing & went searching for it, she found her bag, empty, in a bush not far from the cafe.
A quick call to the banks, cancelled all the cards, phone blocked etc. (Cash is written off).
As it was only a weekend she has to go the embassy to get an emergency passport which meant she had to fly back a day later.
All the people she's with leave her some money for food/drink & a taxi to the airport for the extra night & cover her flight back, her best friends mum leaves her her credit card in case of an emergency..
On the morning of her flight back after she's got her emergency passport, she pops out for a coffee, leaving the extra money & bank card 'safely' locked in a safe in the room.
She comes back to the room to pick her case up half an hour later, safe is still closed, with the cash (not a lot) + bank card gone.
Goes to reception, nobody speaks English, despite the same staff all being able too the night before.
She realised it was missing & went searching for it, she found her bag, empty, in a bush not far from the cafe.
A quick call to the banks, cancelled all the cards, phone blocked etc. (Cash is written off).
As it was only a weekend she has to go the embassy to get an emergency passport which meant she had to fly back a day later.
All the people she's with leave her some money for food/drink & a taxi to the airport for the extra night & cover her flight back, her best friends mum leaves her her credit card in case of an emergency..
On the morning of her flight back after she's got her emergency passport, she pops out for a coffee, leaving the extra money & bank card 'safely' locked in a safe in the room.
She comes back to the room to pick her case up half an hour later, safe is still closed, with the cash (not a lot) + bank card gone.
Goes to reception, nobody speaks English, despite the same staff all being able too the night before.
98elise said:
They won't do anything. Fraud is classed as a civil matter by the police. I know from experience.
Fraud is not classed as a civil matter at all by the police it is a crime.A civil dispute is not class as a crime by the police. Which is what this is unlees the complaintent has evidence of dishonesty.
When I was 19 I was accidentally paid the directors dividend on a Friday, when I checked my balance at a cash point there was enough to buy me my first flat.....I luckily did not spend it and when I mentioned it in the office on Monday the HR bird had such a go for making her look silly....
The director was cool about it but he wasn’t happy when he found out I lost my virginity to his daughter lol. (That happened before he hired me)
The director was cool about it but he wasn’t happy when he found out I lost my virginity to his daughter lol. (That happened before he hired me)
Jesus.
Bit scummy sure.
But can't blame them for trying it on. Not saying i would. But I can understand.
Realistically it's word against word so write it off.
Post office's fault for not having procedures in place for large deposits (ie double entering) and cashiers problem for making a silly mistake (we all make them).
Bit scummy sure.
But can't blame them for trying it on. Not saying i would. But I can understand.
Realistically it's word against word so write it off.
Post office's fault for not having procedures in place for large deposits (ie double entering) and cashiers problem for making a silly mistake (we all make them).
Surely at the end of the same day, when the cash reconciliation was done, the discrepancy would have come to light and it would have been relatively easy to identify (£7,200 is obviously £8,000 mixed up with £800).
You are not seriously telling us that the woman, who would presumably have no idea an 'over credit' error had even occurred, spent the money on the same day before the credit could be amended ? From a Post Office savings account ? Really ?
Equally likely to be the PO teller 'under crediting' and pocketing the £7,200 ???
The police have no chance here. This isn't someone being randomly credited with a sum out of the blue. This is a process error / act of carelessness as part if a legitimate transaction.
You are not seriously telling us that the woman, who would presumably have no idea an 'over credit' error had even occurred, spent the money on the same day before the credit could be amended ? From a Post Office savings account ? Really ?
Equally likely to be the PO teller 'under crediting' and pocketing the £7,200 ???
The police have no chance here. This isn't someone being randomly credited with a sum out of the blue. This is a process error / act of carelessness as part if a legitimate transaction.
REALIST123 said:
jamei303 said:
speedyguy said:
That seems to be a common theme with the police 
It would be wasting their time along these lines:999 - Emergency which service?
- Police please
- Can you tell me what is the emergency?
- Hi I was charged £3.50 for some strawberries in Tesco instead of £2 and they won't give my £1.50 back
- Did you ask them?
- Yes they said I need the receipt but I don't have it. Can you arrest the store manager for theft please?
- ...
So, if you had £7200 stolen from you, you’d be happy for the Police to shrug it off, and leave you to it?
It’s a sad thing when such theft is so easily dismissed.
If what the OP has posted is correct, it is unfortunate that a simple error has cost the friend's so much. It's an expensive lesson.
There may well be a crime, but without evidence to counter what the customer says . . .
It would be nice for your errors not to cost you, but that's not what happens.
Chucklehead said:
From the PO own page; The maximum amount that you can deposit at a branch of the Post Office® is £20,000 per calendar day. However, at some smaller Post Office® branches, the maximum amount that you can deposit is £1,000.
Might that help them at all?
Any specific money laundering requirements at a PO?
At the very least you'd like to think the police would investigate and ask for proof of source of funds.
Why was there no reply to this post by Chucklehead? If the PO branch in question fell under the £1000 limit it would be case dismissed. Might that help them at all?
Any specific money laundering requirements at a PO?
At the very least you'd like to think the police would investigate and ask for proof of source of funds.
Blackpuddin said:
Why was there no reply to this post by Chucklehead? If the PO branch in question fell under the £1000 limit it would be case dismissed.
..... in favour of the woman...Woman comes in with £8,000. Had no idea about £1,000 limit. Cashier takes her £8,000, credits her account with £8,000, but pockets £7,200....
Just saying. The £1,000 max isn't relevant unless the system doesn't allow that amount to be credited. Except it did....
Many years ago i let a flat to a young lady with learning difficulties. This young lady was cared for by a charity organisation. Upon one of my frequent inspections of the flat, the young lady had decided to redecorate the flat, with dire consequences for her landlord. For ceilings were painted tangerine, with walls, including light switches, sockets and skirting boards painted lilac.
When I approached those supervising the young lady, they promised at the end of her tenancy, they would reinstate the flat to the condition it was in at the start of her tenancy.
At the end of the tenancy a quick paint over was attempted, with the above colours, tangerine and lilac bleeding through. When approached the charity refused to accept any further responsibility, or make any financial contribution towards further decorating repairs, lost rent etc.
What someone failed to do though, was to cancel the direct debit bank transfer payments, which I continued to enjoy for a further three months. I say someone, since the bank Nat. West blamed the charity, with the charity blaming bank for not cancelling direct debit payments.
I received several threats of legal action from Nat. West., the same both via letter and phone calls, but with no legal action following.
When I approached those supervising the young lady, they promised at the end of her tenancy, they would reinstate the flat to the condition it was in at the start of her tenancy.
At the end of the tenancy a quick paint over was attempted, with the above colours, tangerine and lilac bleeding through. When approached the charity refused to accept any further responsibility, or make any financial contribution towards further decorating repairs, lost rent etc.
What someone failed to do though, was to cancel the direct debit bank transfer payments, which I continued to enjoy for a further three months. I say someone, since the bank Nat. West blamed the charity, with the charity blaming bank for not cancelling direct debit payments.
I received several threats of legal action from Nat. West., the same both via letter and phone calls, but with no legal action following.
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