Crime and punishment
Discussion
agtlaw said:
Jury sent home. To return to court tomorrow morning.
If a majority direction is given then the verdict in this particular case could be 10-1. N.b. One juror was discharged due to illness.
Potential outcomes (in no particular order)
- Guilty
- Not guilty
- No verdict / deadlocked jury
I hope - Guilty If a majority direction is given then the verdict in this particular case could be 10-1. N.b. One juror was discharged due to illness.
Potential outcomes (in no particular order)
- Guilty
- Not guilty
- No verdict / deadlocked jury
I suspect - No verdict / deadlocked jury as I can't imagine they all agree.
Some will give her the benefit of doubt I suspect and all that MS might carry some simpathy.
surveyor_101 said:
I hope - Guilty
I suspect - No verdict / deadlocked jury as I can't imagine they all agree.
Some will give her the benefit of doubt I suspect and all that MS might carry some simpathy.
They had no qualms about sending Chris Huhne down, why do you think it will be any different for her?I suspect - No verdict / deadlocked jury as I can't imagine they all agree.
Some will give her the benefit of doubt I suspect and all that MS might carry some simpathy.
markjmd said:
surveyor_101 said:
I hope - Guilty
I suspect - No verdict / deadlocked jury as I can't imagine they all agree.
Some will give her the benefit of doubt I suspect and all that MS might carry some simpathy.
They had no qualms about sending Chris Huhne down, why do you think it will be any different for her?I suspect - No verdict / deadlocked jury as I can't imagine they all agree.
Some will give her the benefit of doubt I suspect and all that MS might carry some simpathy.
I hope she doesn’t get away with it but she just might.
markjmd said:
They had no qualms about sending Chris Huhne down, why do you think it will be any different for her?
Don't recall him lying like this or claiming to have MS.Simple fact is we now have postive descrimnination the defendant in this case is not a white male from a privelledged background.
She is a Black Lady African Decent, so may well be treated better than someone like Chris Huhne as he is thw worst thing you can be in this day and age a privallegde white male.
See it all the time, we had a asian gromming gang in neighbouring town, I spoke to officers who knew for two years of this but the police turned a blind eye to it as it was a groop of asian males in a prodomintly white area adn they didn't want the fall out that would come. Its postive discrimination!
surveyor_101 said:
markjmd said:
They had no qualms about sending Chris Huhne down, why do you think it will be any different for her?
Don't recall him lying like this or claiming to have MS.Simple fact is we now have postive descrimnination the defendant in this case is not a white male from a privelledged background.
She is a Black Lady African Decent, so may well be treated better than someone like Chris Huhne as he is the worst thing you can be in this day and age a white male.
See it all the time, we had a asian gromming gang in neighbouring town, I spoke to officers who knew for two years of this but the police turned a blind eye to it as it was a groop of asian males in a prodomintly white area adn they didn't want the fall out that would come. Its postive discrimination!
Understandably, given the possibility of a custodial sentence, the judge wants a unanimous verdict. Hence the delay.
https://www.peterboroughtoday.co.uk/news/crime/jur...
I'll hazard as guess he won't get one. If so, what might he accept: 9-2? Even that might not be achieved.
She claims she let her brother deal with it all (I'll lay money or her knowing he's a scofflaw).
AFAIK it is the RK's responsibility to attest by their signature that the information provided is the truth.
I'm not sure I would want someone that naive/careless/irresponsible** representing me in Parliament.
Oh, nearly forgot, apparently a being a commercial property solicitor is one of her excuses/get-out-of-jail cards.
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https://www.peterboroughtoday.co.uk/news/crime/jur...
I'll hazard as guess he won't get one. If so, what might he accept: 9-2? Even that might not be achieved.
She claims she let her brother deal with it all (I'll lay money or her knowing he's a scofflaw).
AFAIK it is the RK's responsibility to attest by their signature that the information provided is the truth.
I'm not sure I would want someone that naive/careless/irresponsible** representing me in Parliament.
Oh, nearly forgot, apparently a being a commercial property solicitor is one of her excuses/get-out-of-jail cards.
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jfire said:
So basically if you chuck in enough nonsense excuses to confuse the jury you'll get off
I'll be sure to blame my brother/ MS neither of which I have, if I ever get in to trouble.
It's a common enough tactic of defences. If it is felt that there's overwhelming evidence of a client/paymaster's guilt then they need one of the methods out of the book most lawyers keep. You can't blame a jury in such cases. I'll be sure to blame my brother/ MS neither of which I have, if I ever get in to trouble.
An inherent weakness in the system is also a major safeguard. The jury is made up of you and me. We decide guilt. However, the unprincipled can exploit this.
There was a case where a jury found not guilty and the judge, incensed, kept them back and read out the defendant’s pre-cons. Well out of order I felt. It was the talking point in the nick I was in for some time, almost all bobbies feeling that the jury would go home feeling guilty when it was not their fault.
Of course, not knowing all the ins and outs of this case, I cannot say if any of the above applies to this woman.
I had to drop a case, drink driving, against a prominent member of the local establishment when I was in the City police and I was, to put it mildly, irritated. An experienced bobby said not to worry as they will always come again. And the bloke did, within a couple of months.
Whilst that’s no problem with traffic offences in the main, although letting an alcoholic out on the roads driving a powerful car was dangerous, it is not so easy to accept letting a child killer stalk again. The last thing one wants is for them to come again.
Another inherent weakness in the system is establishing a politically neutral jury in a political trial.
This trial is political, in the sense that nobody really gives a stuff about driving at 41mph in a 30 limit, so potential jail time for a minor speeding transgression will be seen by many as victimisation, particularly when the victim is a disabled black lesbian commie, who has gone through life being convinced by the society that she inhabits that she is a victim. It is compounded by holding the trial at the Old Bailey (why is that??) for a number of reasons. The jury is selected (I presume) from the London boroughs, where most people don't own cars, and most people in London vote Labour and return Labour MPs.
I have a feeling that if the trial was held in Cambridge, where the offence took place, there would be a diferent outcome.
Does anybody know why the trial was at the Old Bailey, and if there is a hung jury and a retrial, will that also be at the Old Bailey?
This trial is political, in the sense that nobody really gives a stuff about driving at 41mph in a 30 limit, so potential jail time for a minor speeding transgression will be seen by many as victimisation, particularly when the victim is a disabled black lesbian commie, who has gone through life being convinced by the society that she inhabits that she is a victim. It is compounded by holding the trial at the Old Bailey (why is that??) for a number of reasons. The jury is selected (I presume) from the London boroughs, where most people don't own cars, and most people in London vote Labour and return Labour MPs.
I have a feeling that if the trial was held in Cambridge, where the offence took place, there would be a diferent outcome.
Does anybody know why the trial was at the Old Bailey, and if there is a hung jury and a retrial, will that also be at the Old Bailey?
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