Jaguar Land Rover tech to avoid red lights
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article said:
The Green Light Optimal Speed Advisory (GLOSA) system, currently being trialled on Jaguar F-Pace cars in Coventry, tells drivers the speed at which they have to drive in order to clear the green light. It advises the driver to accelerate a little to pass the lights before they turn red, or if they’re already red, how slow to drive to avoid coming to a stop.
mmm, can't possibly see this going wrong...at what point does the system check for little old ladies / other cars / children about to run out into the road / debris on the road / road conditions / weather / etc. etc. You can just see the court case - "but the car told me to accelerate!"
also has an interesting impact in other areas - so driving slowly enough to avoid stopping will a) annoy other drivers and b) will therefore not trigger the car engine turning off as you stop -> reduce MPG / more environmental impact... yet another not-thought-through idea...
It would be good if manufacturers concentrated on actually building cars where the basic electronics actually work, where they are upgradable as tech. changes (a la phone OS), rather than gimmicks to grab headlines which take away any need for the driver to feel responsibility to drive well, without replacing that responsibility with sufficient intelligence to compensate...
Why oh why do car companies keep spending zillions on tech we don't ask for or don't need is beyond me.
JLR especially should be focusing on more to save money.,They are heading for serious trouble in my mind, with a model line up that seems to make less sense each time they bring a new model out (Where does the Velar sit in it for example), warehouses full of thousands of new engines merrily rusting away as they have no sales for them, Jaguar employees building LRs as there is no sales for Jaguar. Jaguar building a 4x4 .... why try and take sales away from your own company LR? ........ and don't get me started on their inability of getting the foundation of the whole company, Defender to market.
No doubt they will blame it all on Brexit.,.,,, rather than having a damn good look in their own back yard.
JLR especially should be focusing on more to save money.,They are heading for serious trouble in my mind, with a model line up that seems to make less sense each time they bring a new model out (Where does the Velar sit in it for example), warehouses full of thousands of new engines merrily rusting away as they have no sales for them, Jaguar employees building LRs as there is no sales for Jaguar. Jaguar building a 4x4 .... why try and take sales away from your own company LR? ........ and don't get me started on their inability of getting the foundation of the whole company, Defender to market.
No doubt they will blame it all on Brexit.,.,,, rather than having a damn good look in their own back yard.
akirk said:
...which take away any need for the driver to feel responsibility to drive well...
^ ^ This is the crux of all this 'lane departure assist', 'collision avoidance system' et al crap, IMO. The very basis of driving should be the driver having responsibility, accountability and sufficient skills to make driving safe.akirk said:
It would be good if manufacturers concentrated on actually building cars where the basic electronics actually work
I must admit my first thought was that of all the companies to be arsing around with this sort of thing, JLR are probably the one I'd trust least to make it a robust system. The other thing is, in order to make this work you'd have to have some sort of tech retro-fitted to the traffic lights so they can communicate with the car, so that the car can then tell you what to do, and you then decide whether to act on that information. If you're going to do that, why not just display a countdown timer on the traffic lights, like they do on pedestrian crossings in many countries? Wozy68 said:
Why oh why do car companies keep spending zillions on tech we don't ask for or don't need is beyond me.
JLR especially should be focusing on more to save money.,They are heading for serious trouble in my mind, with a model line up that seems to make less sense each time they bring a new model out (Where does the Velar sit in it for example), warehouses full of thousands of new engines merrily rusting away as they have no sales for them, Jaguar employees building LRs as there is no sales for Jaguar. Jaguar building a 4x4 .... why try and take sales away from your own company LR? ........ and don't get me started on their inability of getting the foundation of the whole company, Defender to market.
No doubt they will blame it all on Brexit.,.,,, rather than having a damn good look in their own back yard.
If they could get their cars to stop throwing electronic errors on existing tech in the cars and get that working it would be a start. We still have a Disco 4 and have covered 120k miles in two of them from new. Wouldn't have another one. The dealers themselves are awful too. Ordered a SVR RR LWB when they were announced and it turned up 6 months later with the wrong colour interior. Jokers.JLR especially should be focusing on more to save money.,They are heading for serious trouble in my mind, with a model line up that seems to make less sense each time they bring a new model out (Where does the Velar sit in it for example), warehouses full of thousands of new engines merrily rusting away as they have no sales for them, Jaguar employees building LRs as there is no sales for Jaguar. Jaguar building a 4x4 .... why try and take sales away from your own company LR? ........ and don't get me started on their inability of getting the foundation of the whole company, Defender to market.
No doubt they will blame it all on Brexit.,.,,, rather than having a damn good look in their own back yard.
akirk said:
so driving slowly enough to avoid stopping will (...) will therefore not trigger the car engine turning off as you stop -> reduce MPG / more environmental impact...
Perhaps I'm misunderstanding you, but that sounds flat wrong to me. I would expect driving a mile at 25mph to use less fuel than driving a mile at 30mph with a stop and accelerate in the middle.IMI A said:
Ordered a SVR RR LWB when they were announced and it turned up 6 months later with the wrong colour interior. Jokers.
Doesn’t surprise me at all. A friend works on the line and was laid off with full pay, as purchasing forgot to order the glass for one model. Walked into a newly renovated showroom all glitzy and suits, cars bunched so close together I couldn’t work out which model was what as they looked so similar (other than the RR). On the wall was a massive photo showing off the abilities of the LR Defender climbing an incline. ...... A model they no longer build. Oh the irony of it. We left.
Well, I quite agree that this sort of thing is quite pointless but what I’m hearing elsewhere Jaguars latest tech is pretty good.
It’s supposedly fast, has over the air updates, apps such as Apple Play working well, WhatsApp with voice messages etc
Here’s what someone who’s got the latest update say on another forum:
“I have just had my 2017 F-Pace ICTP updated to version 4.5 and it is awesome! Apple CarPlay works straight on connection. The Jaguar functions are more streamlined, much faster and look much better. At last I think we have the Infotainment system we have all deserved for a long time! Needless to say I'll need some days with the new software but I have already used voice control for navigation, sent a WhatsApp message by voice, and streamed music through Amazon Prime. Brilliant!”
I’ll be having my XF updated early December, I’ll see then.
It’s supposedly fast, has over the air updates, apps such as Apple Play working well, WhatsApp with voice messages etc
Here’s what someone who’s got the latest update say on another forum:
“I have just had my 2017 F-Pace ICTP updated to version 4.5 and it is awesome! Apple CarPlay works straight on connection. The Jaguar functions are more streamlined, much faster and look much better. At last I think we have the Infotainment system we have all deserved for a long time! Needless to say I'll need some days with the new software but I have already used voice control for navigation, sent a WhatsApp message by voice, and streamed music through Amazon Prime. Brilliant!”
I’ll be having my XF updated early December, I’ll see then.
From: https://www.alphr.com/cars/1010191/jaguar-land-rov... :
"The Green Light Optimal Speed Advisory (GLOSA) system, currently being trialled on Jaguar F-Pace cars in Coventry, tells drivers the speed at which they have to drive in order to clear the green light. It advises the driver to accelerate a little to pass the lights before they turn red, or if they’re already red, how slow to drive to avoid coming to a stop."
So Jaguar are going to encourage drivers to speed up to "beat the red light"?
- Great, just what we need: more cars speeding through traffic lights, rather than slowing down when the traffic light is about to change! 
And if the light light is already on red, rather than driving up to the traffic light and waiting, Jaguar drivers will be crawling along at 5mph, creating a "train" of frustrated drivers behind them, many of whom may simply want to use a different lane to the Jaguar, but can't get to the lane they need because of the slow moving Jaguar!
For example, you could have a single lane that becomes two lanes at traffic lights, one for straight on, and a filter lane to turn left. The Jaguar up ahead is going straight on, but the traffic light is on red, so it crawls along dead slow. Meanwhile, you're a few cars behind the Jaguar, and you want the left hand filter lane, which has a green arrow showing, and is empty, but you can't get on with your journey because of the Jaguar rolling at a walking pace - Nice!
BTW Jaguar: Drivers should be preparing to stop for an amber traffic light, not speeding up to beat a red traffic light - As a company, you might want to brush up on your highway code!
Perhaps Jaguar have plans to change their model ranges from the F-Type, the F-Pace, and the XF, to the FEE -Type, the FEE-Pace, and the XFEE? - FEE standing for: "F
k Everyone Else"?
"The Green Light Optimal Speed Advisory (GLOSA) system, currently being trialled on Jaguar F-Pace cars in Coventry, tells drivers the speed at which they have to drive in order to clear the green light. It advises the driver to accelerate a little to pass the lights before they turn red, or if they’re already red, how slow to drive to avoid coming to a stop."
So Jaguar are going to encourage drivers to speed up to "beat the red light"?
- Great, just what we need: more cars speeding through traffic lights, rather than slowing down when the traffic light is about to change! And if the light light is already on red, rather than driving up to the traffic light and waiting, Jaguar drivers will be crawling along at 5mph, creating a "train" of frustrated drivers behind them, many of whom may simply want to use a different lane to the Jaguar, but can't get to the lane they need because of the slow moving Jaguar!
For example, you could have a single lane that becomes two lanes at traffic lights, one for straight on, and a filter lane to turn left. The Jaguar up ahead is going straight on, but the traffic light is on red, so it crawls along dead slow. Meanwhile, you're a few cars behind the Jaguar, and you want the left hand filter lane, which has a green arrow showing, and is empty, but you can't get on with your journey because of the Jaguar rolling at a walking pace - Nice!
BTW Jaguar: Drivers should be preparing to stop for an amber traffic light, not speeding up to beat a red traffic light - As a company, you might want to brush up on your highway code!
Perhaps Jaguar have plans to change their model ranges from the F-Type, the F-Pace, and the XF, to the FEE -Type, the FEE-Pace, and the XFEE? - FEE standing for: "F
k Everyone Else"?4rephill said:
From: https://www.alphr.com/cars/1010191/jaguar-land-rov... :
"The Green Light Optimal Speed Advisory (GLOSA) system, currently being trialled on Jaguar F-Pace cars in Coventry, tells drivers the speed at which they have to drive in order to clear the green light. It advises the driver to accelerate a little to pass the lights before they turn red, or if they’re already red, how slow to drive to avoid coming to a stop."
So Jaguar are going to encourage drivers to speed up to "beat the red light"? - Great, just what we need: more cars speeding through traffic lights, rather than slowing down when the traffic light is about to change!
Or, maybe the target arrival time is before it turns amber?"The Green Light Optimal Speed Advisory (GLOSA) system, currently being trialled on Jaguar F-Pace cars in Coventry, tells drivers the speed at which they have to drive in order to clear the green light. It advises the driver to accelerate a little to pass the lights before they turn red, or if they’re already red, how slow to drive to avoid coming to a stop."
So Jaguar are going to encourage drivers to speed up to "beat the red light"?
- Great, just what we need: more cars speeding through traffic lights, rather than slowing down when the traffic light is about to change! akirk said:
mmm, can't possibly see this going wrong...
at what point does the system check for little old ladies / other cars / children about to run out into the road / debris on the road / road conditions / weather / etc. etc. You can just see the court case - "but the car told me to accelerate!"
And it would be thrown out for the idiocy it is. at what point does the system check for little old ladies / other cars / children about to run out into the road / debris on the road / road conditions / weather / etc. etc. You can just see the court case - "but the car told me to accelerate!"
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also has an interesting impact in other areas - so driving slowly enough to avoid stopping will a) annoy other drivers and b) will therefore not trigger the car engine turning off as you stop -> reduce MPG / more environmental impact... yet another not-thought-through idea...
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- Lower congestion caused by the butterfly effect of constant brake/acceleration/brake
- Less fuel usage needed to constantly accelerate back up to traffic speed
Oh wake up luddites.
Have you watched a car advert aimed at the yoof? Its all about tech.
We are dinosaurs. Safety and toys sells, maybe not to us, but I suspect most manufacturers really don't care.
Most people will love it, just like ABS, traction control, air bags, keyless, bluetooth, (adaptive) cruise control etc etc ... Personally I hate the idea, which is why car doesn't have any of these.
Have you watched a car advert aimed at the yoof? Its all about tech.
We are dinosaurs. Safety and toys sells, maybe not to us, but I suspect most manufacturers really don't care.
Most people will love it, just like ABS, traction control, air bags, keyless, bluetooth, (adaptive) cruise control etc etc ... Personally I hate the idea, which is why car doesn't have any of these.
REALIST123 said:
Well, I quite agree that this sort of thing is quite pointless but what I’m hearing elsewhere Jaguars latest tech is pretty good.
It’s supposedly fast, has over the air updates, apps such as Apple Play working well, WhatsApp with voice messages etc
Here’s what someone who’s got the latest update say on another forum:
“I have just had my 2017 F-Pace ICTP updated to version 4.5 and it is awesome! Apple CarPlay works straight on connection. The Jaguar functions are more streamlined, much faster and look much better. At last I think we have the Infotainment system we have all deserved for a long time! Needless to say I'll need some days with the new software but I have already used voice control for navigation, sent a WhatsApp message by voice, and streamed music through Amazon Prime. Brilliant!”
I’ll be having my XF updated early December, I’ll see then.
I had to read this twice as I initialy thought it was sarcasm.It’s supposedly fast, has over the air updates, apps such as Apple Play working well, WhatsApp with voice messages etc
Here’s what someone who’s got the latest update say on another forum:
“I have just had my 2017 F-Pace ICTP updated to version 4.5 and it is awesome! Apple CarPlay works straight on connection. The Jaguar functions are more streamlined, much faster and look much better. At last I think we have the Infotainment system we have all deserved for a long time! Needless to say I'll need some days with the new software but I have already used voice control for navigation, sent a WhatsApp message by voice, and streamed music through Amazon Prime. Brilliant!”
I’ll be having my XF updated early December, I’ll see then.
The IntouchPro in my XF looks good but has serious functionality issues. Yes it is the latest, updated a few weeks ago.
It won't update the maps, though it inducates they are available, it won't connect to 'HERE' (Jaguar's map provider) from the car. The SIM data connection has died. The DAB radio drops out...
Along with all the other electronics not being reliable - like the adaptive cruise brake checking the guy behind when there is NOTHING in front of me.
I could go on. Booked in AGAIN for fixing.. eariest appointment - three weeks.
So, no I wouldn't trust any JLR software that looks or listens for traffic lights!
OverSteery said:
Oh wake up luddites.
Have you watched a car advert aimed at the yoof? Its all about tech.
We are dinosaurs. Safety and toys sells, maybe not to us, but I suspect most manufacturers really don't care.
Most people will love it, just like ABS, traction control, air bags, keyless, bluetooth, (adaptive) cruise control etc etc ... Personally I hate the idea, which is why car doesn't have any of these.
Airbags and ABS are hardly yoof tech. Have you watched a car advert aimed at the yoof? Its all about tech.
We are dinosaurs. Safety and toys sells, maybe not to us, but I suspect most manufacturers really don't care.
Most people will love it, just like ABS, traction control, air bags, keyless, bluetooth, (adaptive) cruise control etc etc ... Personally I hate the idea, which is why car doesn't have any of these.
The former will save your face being adjusted in a crash.
Wozy68 said:
JLR especially should be focusing on more to save money.,They are heading for serious trouble in my mind, with a model line up that seems to make less sense each time they bring a new model out (Where does the Velar sit in it for example), warehouses full of thousands of new engines merrily rusting away as they have no sales for them, Jaguar employees building LRs as there is no sales for Jaguar . Jaguar building a 4x4 .... why try and take sales away from your own company LR? ........ and don't get me started on their inability of getting the foundation of the whole company, Defender to market.
No doubt they will blame it all on Brexit.,.,,, rather than having a damn good look in their own back yard.
Where is your evidence for either of the claims in bold? Why would they be building engines they don’t need? Their production doesn’t work on stockpiling. They also don’t have flexible production lines which is part of their problem so they can’t build LR vehicles on just any line. If they could do that they would be building Epace and Ipace on house. They are years away from lot size one No doubt they will blame it all on Brexit.,.,,, rather than having a damn good look in their own back yard.
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