Long range speeding cameras

[Helicopter123]

Schmed said:

These s get ever more devious in trying to steal your money but if you level the playing field by investing in some state of the art electronic jamming counter measures they’ll try to move the goalposts again and throw a PCoJ at you. Outrageous, no wonder there are so many cloned and stolen plates about..

That’s a bit strong, OP was well over the limit.

[Truffs]

keirik said:

You were in a 30 doing 48.
30s usually mean built up, likely to be pedestrians and/or children
High risk of injury or fatalities
30 speed limit imposed to protect those vulnerable people.
And you say the problem is the camera was too far away?

I think you need to rethink

Not saying the OP does not need to rethink as they were going too fast but I wonder if you do too?

I think you may not always be right about the high risk of injury or fatalities anymore in 30 mph zones. First of all, in those areas in all the big cities I visit they are now 20 mph and then of course what is the definition of high risk? 0.001%?

[Repel_Max]

Helicopter123 said:

Schmed said:

These s get ever more devious in trying to steal your money but if you level the playing field by investing in some state of the art electronic jamming counter measures they’ll try to move the goalposts again and throw a PCoJ at you. Outrageous, no wonder there are so many cloned and stolen plates about..

That’s a bit strong, OP was well over the limit.

The position of the goal-posts on a restricted road has been permanently affixed since 1935. https://blog.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/2014/03...

[Durzel]

928 said:

Then add in those that have had a speed/other awareness course and what's the number? Even at 6%, over a 50 year driving career everyone will on average pick up points (6%/3years*50=100%).

Can anyone explain this maths to me because it sounds like nonsense.

There is a percentage of people on the road, quite a high one I would assume, who never speed. Ever. How is it that using this bizarro maths that they too will get points for speeding at some point in a 50 year driving career anyway?

"Enthusiastic driving" PH members are a vanishingly small percentage of drivers on the road, far less than even 1%. Just because most of us speed does not mean the general public does.

Notwithstanding all of that - 48 in a well signed 30, no sympathy.

[anonymous-user]

Repel_Max said:

Helicopter123 said:

Schmed said:

These s get ever more devious in trying to steal your money but if you level the playing field by investing in some state of the art electronic jamming counter measures they’ll try to move the goalposts again and throw a PCoJ at you. Outrageous, no wonder there are so many cloned and stolen plates about..

That’s a bit strong, OP was well over the limit.

The position of the goal-posts on a restricted road has been permanently affixed since 1935. https://blog.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/2014/03...

Yeah right, I was talking about enforcement through sneaky underhanded means like long range cameras but don't let that stop you spinning a line. Did you used to work for new Labour ?

The number of Brake aficionados on here who insist in spouting their bullst propaganda never ceases to amaze me.

The great thing about Leeson/Beckham et al, is the publicity shows people how to challenge the speeeding tax in court rather than just rolling over and paying it like a pussy.

I would personally prescribe to this approach, damn shame it wasn't allowed : https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1416262/Co...

[Repel_Max]

Schmed said:

Repel_Max said:

Helicopter123 said:

Schmed said:

These s get ever more devious in trying to steal your money but if you level the playing field by investing in some state of the art electronic jamming counter measures they’ll try to move the goalposts again and throw a PCoJ at you. Outrageous, no wonder there are so many cloned and stolen plates about..

That’s a bit strong, OP was well over the limit.

The position of the goal-posts on a restricted road has been permanently affixed since 1935. https://blog.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/2014/03...

Yeah right, I was talking about enforcement through sneaky underhanded means like long range cameras but don't let that stop you spinning a line. Did you used to work for new Labour ?

The number of Brake aficionados on here who insist in spouting their bullst propaganda never ceases to amaze me.

The great thing about Leeson/Beckham et al, is the publicity shows people how to challenge the speeeding tax in court rather than just rolling over and paying it like a pussy.

I would personally prescribe to this approach, damn shame it wasn't allowed : https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1416262/Co...

Means like publishing clear rules on the speed limit, requiring drivers to be trained and tested in the law regarding driving and insisting that a speed indicating device to a known accuracy is installed in every vehicle....hmmmm, underhand indeed.

"New Labour"! You cheeky kunt.

Are you 12?

[BertBert]

Schmed said:

Yeah right, I was talking about enforcement through sneaky underhanded means like long range cameras but don't let that stop you spinning a line. Did you used to work for new Labour ?

The number of Brake aficionados on here who insist in spouting their bullst propaganda never ceases to amaze me.

The great thing about Leeson/Beckham et al, is the publicity shows people how to challenge the speeeding tax in court rather than just rolling over and paying it like a pussy.

I would personally prescribe to this approach, damn shame it wasn't allowed : https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1416262/Co...

Now don't get me wrong, I don't like speed limits and I am an expert in not managing to keep to them (getting caught for marginal speeding on 4 occasions in the last few years). But I do feel that sneaky long range cameras are neither here nor there. They aren't new, vans have a huge range and have had it for a long time.

It's really the significantly increased interventions which are completely visible that are the issue. Create technology for managing speed and lanes on a motorway and it'll get used more and more. I do a lot of motorway driving (about 30k pa) and it's like kids with a new toy to play with. More and more and more interventions for more and more reasons. Noise, pollution, traffic jam at the other end of the country, cross winds... the M1 had a 40 limit for fking miles and miles the other evening because of 'cross-winds'. Light traffic and wind as still as could be. All enforced by in your face HADECS. Nothing stealthy at all. And then there's the miles and miles of average speed cameras appearing all over the country.

All in the hands of faceless, control-freak motorway and other road managers. I don't think ghertie was a bad person (wherever he or she has gone), but he certainly revels in his work. I don't think that feeling is mutual!

Hey ho, it was good while it lasted. I'm actually looking forward to driverless cars so I don't have to engage with all this nonsense control-freakery on the roads. Hopefully internal combustion engine circuit racing will carry on long enough for me to get my driving thrills on track!

Bert

[Truffs]

BertBert said:

Schmed said:

Yeah right, I was talking about enforcement through sneaky underhanded means like long range cameras but don't let that stop you spinning a line. Did you used to work for new Labour ?

The number of Brake aficionados on here who insist in spouting their bullst propaganda never ceases to amaze me.

The great thing about Leeson/Beckham et al, is the publicity shows people how to challenge the speeeding tax in court rather than just rolling over and paying it like a pussy.

I would personally prescribe to this approach, damn shame it wasn't allowed : https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1416262/Co...

Now don't get me wrong, I don't like speed limits and I am an expert in not managing to keep to them (getting caught for marginal speeding on 4 occasions in the last few years). But I do feel that sneaky long range cameras are neither here nor there. They aren't new, vans have a huge range and have had it for a long time.

It's really the significantly increased interventions which are completely visible that are the issue. Create technology for managing speed and lanes on a motorway and it'll get used more and more. I do a lot of motorway driving (about 30k pa) and it's like kids with a new toy to play with. More and more and more interventions for more and more reasons. Noise, pollution, traffic jam at the other end of the country, cross winds... the M1 had a 40 limit for fking miles and miles the other evening because of 'cross-winds'. Light traffic and wind as still as could be. All enforced by in your face HADECS. Nothing stealthy at all. And then there's the miles and miles of average speed cameras appearing all over the country.

All in the hands of faceless, control-freak motorway and other road managers. I don't think ghertie was a bad person (wherever he or she has gone), but he certainly revels in his work. I don't think that feeling is mutual!

Hey ho, it was good while it lasted. I'm actually looking forward to driverless cars so I don't have to engage with all this nonsense control-freakery on the roads. Hopefully internal combustion engine circuit racing will carry on long enough for me to get my driving thrills on track!

Bert

Ghertie has not gone, in fact they been very busy on this thread as Repel_Max or similar. Gherie formerly tapereel and a multitude of other usernames is just up to their usual tricks.

[Truffs]

Durzel said:

928 said:

Then add in those that have had a speed/other awareness course and what's the number? Even at 6%, over a 50 year driving career everyone will on average pick up points (6%/3years*50=100%).

Can anyone explain this maths to me because it sounds like nonsense.

There is a percentage of people on the road, quite a high one I would assume, who never speed. Ever. How is it that using this bizarro maths that they too will get points for speeding at some point in a 50 year driving career anyway?

"Enthusiastic driving" PH members are a vanishingly small percentage of drivers on the road, far less than even 1%. Just because most of us speed does not mean the general public does.

Notwithstanding all of that - 48 in a well signed 30, no sympathy.

I don’t think we can say that a high proportion never speed. I think thats not true we are all human and make errors. I am sure that even if Von and his other 3 generations were subjected to proper computerised scrutiny even they would be doing a course.

Never speed. No I cannot buy that. To err is human, to forgive divine. All people commit sins and make mistakes. God forgives them (but robotic camera enforcement does not).

[kiethton]

j_4m said:

And are we not allowed to complain about the law itself?

If 30 is bad try half of london - it's all 20mph which is widely ignored, even by those that police it - no mobile vans around my area though thankfully. Compounding this the CIty launched a consultation on a 15mph limit and enforced speed limiting being fitted to vehicles this week, its only going to get worse!

[Alex]

Phil Dicky said:

After clocking up 9 points and a 14 day ban I've decided its better to not speed, than to try and spot vans and cameras and slow down when you are.

That means they've won.

[Alex]

Repel_Max said:

eybic said:

I do find it funny when people kick off about this sort of thing. You were breaking the law and got caught, you have no right to complain. No i'm not saying that I never break speed limits but I am saying if I got caught, it's deserved as I know the rules so wouldn't be complaining. Suck it up, you chose to speed so take the punishment.

Maybe the issue for the OP is driving to rules he had in his fantasy world rather than the U.K. Traffic Law.

I think you two are on the wrong forum.

[BertBert]

Alex said:

That means they've won.

Yep, very clearly!

[zygalski]

eybic said:

I do find it funny when people kick off about this sort of thing. You were breaking the law and got caught, you have no right to complain. No i'm not saying that I never break speed limits but I am saying if I got caught, it's deserved as I know the rules so wouldn't be complaining. Suck it up, you chose to break the limit (by quite a considerable amount, 60%) so take the punishment.

Quite right too!
Seeing people bleating about getting caught & 'it's all about money' as though they had no choice but to speed & this somehow excuses their actions.
FFS grow up & pay the consequences if you chose to willingly break the law & got caught.

[IJWS15]

Alex said:

That means they've won.

No - this is the only way to beat them, no revenue means no cameras. Unfortunately there are still too may idiots out there that don't get it and keep contributing to the speed camera maintenance fund.

[davek_964]

Durzel said:

"Enthusiastic driving" PH members are a vanishingly small percentage of drivers on the road, far less than even 1%. Just because most of us speed does not mean the general public does.

I don't think that's true at all - I think a lot of people speed. At least around here, the roads seem full of people who think they're awfully safe because they will stick to 40-45 in a 60mph limit - and will continue to do that when they enter a 30.

48mph in a 30 limit is idiotic, and claiming that you're not "bad" or "unsafe" in the same post - especially when it's the first and only post - makes me think troll.

[Pica-Pica]

I think with any camera van, by the time you have seen it you will be too late.

I went on a SAC last month (37 in a 30 that used to be a 40 - big wide dual carriageway too, near Nottingham University, and had my speed limiter still set to 40 for the road I turned from. No excuses, poor observation).

SAC was quite good. Half the course was about dangers of speeding, but most was about how to avoid getting caught. The presenters acknowledged we were all marginal speeders, so that part of the course was about recognising speed limits. For me, the take out was, ignoring the straight uncluttered roads where changes to speed limits are clear to see; if there is a change in road layout, check for a new speed limit. If there are other hazards that are a priority that prevent this, default to 30 until you get confirmation otherwise (putting aside 20mph side-streets for now). Hope that lasts for another 3 years at least. I would rather not pay the SAC fee, but learning something is better than a fine and not learning anything, and then moaning about to everyone.

[john41901]

Pica-Pica said:

I think with any camera van, by the time you have seen it you will be too late.

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Not true in my experience. You see the van, you brake hard no matter who's behind. And that's the problem, they are a danger in causing people to slam on and I imagine there have been a few shunts because of them.

But who cares when we're all members of brake on here and thoroughly countenance prosecution for 35 in a 30 etc. Me, actually I never speed. Oh no.

The tax is in the number of tickets sent out for relatively minor infractions. You'd be hard pressed, even on here, to find someone agreeing to leniency for driving way over a sensible limit. But in taxing everyone for a couple of mph over a limit that is quite frankly ridiculously low ? That's where things have gone too far, it's the war on the motorist and is all about discouraging driving, not safety.

[mikeveal]

Truffs said:

Ghertie has not gone, in fact they been very busy on this thread as Repel_Max or similar. Gherie formerly tapereel and a multitude of other usernames is just up to their usual tricks.

Funny that, I read a post a little earlier up and thought "Oh, god, has Steve Callaghan changed his user name again?"

[GC8]

eybic said:

I do find it funny when people kick off about this sort of thing. You were breaking the law and got caught, you have no right to complain. No i'm not saying that I never break speed limits but I am saying if I got caught, it's deserved as I know the rules so wouldn't be complaining. Suck it up, you chose to break the limit (by quite a considerable amount, 60%) so take the punishment.

If you've done nothing wrong, then you have nothing to fear. You should spend more time thinking.