Long range speeding cameras

[Jagmanv12]

john41901 said:

Pica-Pica said:

I think with any camera van, by the time you have seen it you will be too late.

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Not true in my experience. You see the van, you brake hard no matter who's behind. And that's the problem, they are a danger in causing people to slam on and I imagine there have been a few shunts because of them.

When this scenario has occurred, I wonder if anybody has cited the camera van as causing the shunt/accident/problem.

[Repel_Max]

Jagmanv12 said:

john41901 said:

Pica-Pica said:

I think with any camera van, by the time you have seen it you will be too late.

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Not true in my experience. You see the van, you brake hard no matter who's behind. And that's the problem, they are a danger in causing people to slam on and I imagine there have been a few shunts because of them.

When this scenario has occurred, I wonder if anybody has cited the camera van as causing the shunt/accident/problem.

Yes, do that.
"I was hammering down the road well in excess of the speed limit, they are just a guide right? Stamped on the brakes to get legal and wham, I get hit from behind!"

Alternately:

"I was driving down the road and have no idea what my speed was or what the limit is. Stamped on the brakes just in case and wham, I get hit from behind!"

The officer will of course make an immediate arrest of the culprit in the speed camera van.

FFS.

[anonymous-user]

Repel_Max said:

The officer will of course make an immediate arrest of the culprit in the speed camera van.

They absolutely should. They are a menace.

[Guybrush]

These cameras would be good at seeing a drone in detail...surely?

[Repel_Max]

Guybrush said:

These cameras would be good at seeing a drone in detail...surely?

They would be. All they need to do is change the laser.

Simples.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyUh_xSjvXQ

[vonhosen]

Truffs said:

Durzel said:

928 said:

Then add in those that have had a speed/other awareness course and what's the number? Even at 6%, over a 50 year driving career everyone will on average pick up points (6%/3years*50=100%).

Can anyone explain this maths to me because it sounds like nonsense.

There is a percentage of people on the road, quite a high one I would assume, who never speed. Ever. How is it that using this bizarro maths that they too will get points for speeding at some point in a 50 year driving career anyway?

"Enthusiastic driving" PH members are a vanishingly small percentage of drivers on the road, far less than even 1%. Just because most of us speed does not mean the general public does.

Notwithstanding all of that - 48 in a well signed 30, no sympathy.

I don’t think we can say that a high proportion never speed. I think thats not true we are all human and make errors. I am sure that even if Von and his other 3 generations were subjected to proper computerised scrutiny even they would be doing a course.

Never speed. No I cannot buy that. To err is human, to forgive divine. All people commit sins and make mistakes. God forgives them (but robotic camera enforcement does not).

Your 'Robotic' cameras cover such a small portion of the entire road network. Also their locations are no great secret or mystery.

[Jag_luvver]

Durzel said:

928 said:

Then add in those that have had a speed/other awareness course and what's the number? Even at 6%, over a 50 year driving career everyone will on average pick up points (6%/3years*50=100%).

Can anyone explain this maths to me because it sounds like nonsense.

There is a percentage of people on the road, quite a high one I would assume, who never speed. Ever. How is it that using this bizarro maths that they too will get points for speeding at some point in a 50 year driving career anyway?

Coz the maths is bks, innit.

Presuming all the 6% of licenses with points are down to speeding, and that they hang around for 3 years, it's not unreasonable to assume that speed cameras catch (6%/3 years) of motorists, or 2% per year. Durzel then presumed that the probability of any one driver getting caught for speeding at least once is [probability of getting caught in a year] times [number of years], hence 2% * 50 years to arrive at a guaranteed 100%. But this maths makes an implicit assumption that you speed ALL THE TIME, which is unlikely.

The real probability of you being caught speeding is more like the probability of being caught speeding (2%) times the probability that you (as an individual) speed. So if you speed 10% of the time, the probability of getting caught speeding in a year would be 2% * 10%, which is 0.002 (a 0.2% chance of getting caught each year)- that then gives a 10% chance of getting caught speeding once in 50 years, which is probably a lot closer to the mark. Also, if you never speed, then the probability of you getting caught speeding remains at zero.

The actual maths is a little more subtle, as what we really need is the probability of an individual getting caught, given they were speeding (which isn't calculated as I have done in my example). For a more fun read than the rest of this thread, check out 'conditional probability':

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conditional_probabil...

edit - stupid quote layers.

[watchnut]

I have a mate who "operates" a camera van.

The range on some camera's now can be up to 2000m

I sat in the back once to see how he does it, the clarity of the camera is brilliant, it can tell who you are, if your wearing your seat belt, eating, on your phone, anything that you should not be doing.

It was rather amusing when you could tell cars that had "flashed" oncoming cars that the van was there, as you could see that they waved a "thanks" back to them.....unknowing that they had already been nicked, and braking by the time you see or know of the van in most cases too late.

The OP needs to get over himself, if you speed, regardless of whether you agree with the speed limit or not, don't bleat when you get caught, just think of the 1000's of times you didn't.

If the OP's son or daughter got knocked down by some tt speeding he would more than likely be "outraged", maybe see how much longer his car takes to stop from 48 than from 30.....if he hits something at 30 it may survive, at 48 more than likely kills it

Go on a track day to enjoy speeding....keep the roads safer

[Lizzyweb]

Some interesting replies. A mix of valid ones and a few from the wannabe middle’asses’ but it’s to be expected. Just so you know - tut tutting like an old woman won’t do you any favours, I’m not going to slow down, so find another arse to slap

Yes, these cameras really need to go where the sun doesn’t shine and if I wanted to be viewed from afar then I’d get my bits out on the beach I’d cause more accidents. Yeah ‘don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time’, well I can so??

[Guybrush]

IJWS15 said:

Alex said:

That means they've won.

No - this is the only way to beat them, no revenue means no cameras. Unfortunately there are still too may idiots out there that don't get it and keep contributing to the speed camera maintenance fund.

Limits will just be lowered and enforcement thresholds tightened up.

[Boosted LS1]

I'm glad I haven't got a 'mate' who works in a scamera van. The shame of it, having to tell your friends and family what you do for a living.

[mygoldfishbowl]

Lizzyweb said:

Some interesting replies. A mix of valid ones and a few from the wannabe middle’asses’ but it’s to be expected. Just so you know - tut tutting like an old woman won’t do you any favours, I’m not going to slow down, so find another arse to slap

Yes, these cameras really need to go where the sun doesn’t shine and if I wanted to be viewed from afar then I’d get my bits out on the beach I’d cause more accidents. Yeah ‘don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time’, well I can so??

We'd need to see pics of said bits before we could possibly pass judgement.

[Who me ?]

Truffs said:

Ghertie has not gone, in fact they been very busy on this thread as Repel_Max or similar. Gherie formerly tapereel and a multitude of other usernames is just up to their usual tricks.

Also known as Pitmansboots ,or as I call him Capt Pugwash, late of Navy or was it Marines. He did promise on open forum that he'd go away. But being an honorable naval officer, he's obviously kept his word.

[Algarve]

Lizzyweb said:

Bloody ‘long range camera’ was pointing a good half mile up the road waiting to catch people entering the lowered speed limit zone but it was my undetstanding that you had to be able to at least see the speed vehicles at a reasonable distance so you could have chance to alter your speed? I can’t see half a mile down the road and the the van was partly obscure by a parked car. I also don’t understand why you’d be catching traffic that far out of the village when surely the whole point is to catch speeders going through a village?

I've no idea why you think you should get an advance warning that you're about to be busted for breaking the law, and be allowed to change what you're doing and avoid a punishment. That isn't logical at all.

[untakenname]

Certain police forces give a weekly heads up of where they are going to focus their resources
https://www.avonandsomerset.police.uk/advice/vehic...

The only time I've been caught was going to Goodwood FoS, the camera nearly caused a pile up as the police were staggering people setting off so the roads were empty, came quite close to entrapment imo.

Best way to avoid them is to follow another car that's speeding and use them as bait or take a less travelled route and use Waze, around me the camera vans focus on straight bits of dual carriageway with 50mph limits so I usually take the NSL lanes instead which is far more dangerous.

Civilian van operators work 8am-8pm shifts so driving outside of those times will reduce your chances of encountering them.

[AlexS_LDN]

Schmed said:

These s get ever more devious in trying to steal your money but if you level the playing field by investing in some state of the art electronic jamming counter measures they’ll try to move the goalposts again and throw a PCoJ at you. Outrageous, no wonder there are so many cloned and stolen plates about..

OP could try doing 30 in a 30... it's crazy but it might just work

[DS240]

Algarve said:

Lizzyweb said:

Bloody ‘long range camera’ was pointing a good half mile up the road waiting to catch people entering the lowered speed limit zone but it was my undetstanding that you had to be able to at least see the speed vehicles at a reasonable distance so you could have chance to alter your speed? I can’t see half a mile down the road and the the van was partly obscure by a parked car. I also don’t understand why you’d be catching traffic that far out of the village when surely the whole point is to catch speeders going through a village?

I've no idea why you think you should get an advance warning that you're about to be busted for breaking the law, and be allowed to change what you're doing and avoid a punishment. That isn't logical at all.

Best thing I heard a magistrate say to the defence when they were complaining that the defendant couldn’t see the operator and the case wasn’t fair... ‘so are you suggesting, just because he couldn’t see a police officer he didn’t need to comply with the law?’.

[4rephill]

AlexS_LDN said:

Schmed said:

These s get ever more devious in trying to steal your money but if you level the playing field by investing in some state of the art electronic jamming counter measures they’ll try to move the goalposts again and throw a PCoJ at you. Outrageous, no wonder there are so many cloned and stolen plates about..

OP could try doing 30 in a 30... it's crazy but it might just work

Always makes me laugh when people complain about being caught speeding by a camera or an unmarked Police car, as though it's not their own fault they got caught!

It's like a burglar complaining that they've been caught by random Police patrol, rather than by a CID detective - It doesn't matter how you were caught, the fact is, you were breaking the Law!

If you hadn't been breaking the Law, you wouldn't have got caught!

(And I'm saying that as someone who has been on the receiving end of both cameras and unmarked Police cars for speeding. In all cases, the person at fault for me being caught........................was me! )

[smashy]

How will all you holier than thous feel when you have to keep to 20mph as we are supposed to do in many roads in London and not just outside schools either before anyone starts I am talking main roads, They dont police it at the moment unless you call soppy civilians with their plastic guns policing but they will oh yes they will

[Glosphil]

Last time I was caught - near Stafford in a length of road with constant changes in speed limit. 30, 40, 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, etc. I missed a change from 40 to 30 and was caught at 39 in the 30. The photos showed no car for the 1/2 mile in front of me in either direction & no pedestrians. However, this is considered such a heinous crime that I must be fined & have points added to my licence. As I had kept to the limit past at least 6 previous cameras this could have been recognised as a likely mistake & a warng issued, but then no revenue raised.