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I have never been stopped and had to blow into a breathaliser. Never felt the need to drink and drive. However, the morning after might have caught me out a couple of times.
These days it wouldn’t as I serioysly reduce/refrain the night before.
The max I would drink if driving is 2 pints of regular/low strength beer and that over a few hours with food included.
When in uni we did mathematical modelling and one model was that used for alcohol absorbtion. The bottom line is that an AVERAGE effect could be calculated with variation either way due to gender, age, body size, metabolism rate etc.
As such a ROUGH guide to clearing alcohol for the AVERAGE person is 1 hour per half pint equivalent of regular strength beer.
It is not definitive and shouldn’t be used to push the limits or brinkmanship.
These days it wouldn’t as I serioysly reduce/refrain the night before.
The max I would drink if driving is 2 pints of regular/low strength beer and that over a few hours with food included.
When in uni we did mathematical modelling and one model was that used for alcohol absorbtion. The bottom line is that an AVERAGE effect could be calculated with variation either way due to gender, age, body size, metabolism rate etc.
As such a ROUGH guide to clearing alcohol for the AVERAGE person is 1 hour per half pint equivalent of regular strength beer.
It is not definitive and shouldn’t be used to push the limits or brinkmanship.
While I fully agree that DD is dangerous there are other forms of driving thats dangerous and deadly too like driving when sick or over worked lorry/taxi drivers falling asleep
I see that like no win no fee lawyers there are many law firms specializing in drink driving defense,do they actually win cases or are they shaming ?
I see that like no win no fee lawyers there are many law firms specializing in drink driving defense,do they actually win cases or are they shaming ?
One time we were queuing to get into a bar and the bouncers insisted on shoes
We'd gone for beers after work and had maybe 5-6 pints each in the pub, then onto shots
My mate (there were 3 of us) said 'hold on chaps' and disappeared, came back 10 mins later screaming up the road, turns out he'd driven home and got 2 pairs of shoes
Admittedly we were early 20's at the time but F me, what could have happened that night. I do not believe a lower DD limit would have stopped this
We'd gone for beers after work and had maybe 5-6 pints each in the pub, then onto shots
My mate (there were 3 of us) said 'hold on chaps' and disappeared, came back 10 mins later screaming up the road, turns out he'd driven home and got 2 pairs of shoes
Admittedly we were early 20's at the time but F me, what could have happened that night. I do not believe a lower DD limit would have stopped this
Makes you wonder why car manufacturers haven't integrated a breathalyser into the car so it simply won't start if you're over the limit in your country of residence. Perhaps in collusions with the government as then there wouldn't be anyone to fine and collect money off of.
Of course, the hard-core, don't give a sh*t brigade who regularly drive trollied would find a way to subvert it, but then the law could be made even tougher. DUI + dangerous driving + tampering with the vehicle... etc.
Of course, the hard-core, don't give a sh*t brigade who regularly drive trollied would find a way to subvert it, but then the law could be made even tougher. DUI + dangerous driving + tampering with the vehicle... etc.
V8C said:
Makes you wonder why car manufacturers haven't integrated a breathalyser into the car so it simply won't start if you're over the limit in your country of residence. Perhaps in collusions with the government as then there wouldn't be anyone to fine and collect money off of.
Of course, the hard-core, don't give a sh*t brigade who regularly drive trollied would find a way to subvert it, but then the law could be made even tougher. DUI + dangerous driving + tampering with the vehicle... etc.
In order to sell cars!Of course, the hard-core, don't give a sh*t brigade who regularly drive trollied would find a way to subvert it, but then the law could be made even tougher. DUI + dangerous driving + tampering with the vehicle... etc.
They will only comply with the regulatory framework applicable to their product (if that!), not wider legal or moral concerns
I was in Indonesia in Toyotas that didn't have seatbelts fitted, Toyota knows they save lives but it isn't a regulatory requirement in that market so they leave them out to save money
In the US if you're a DUI convict some states require your car has such a gadget fitted. Surely it can be bypassed by getting someone else to blow
V8C said:
Makes you wonder why car manufacturers haven't integrated a breathalyser into the car so it simply won't start if you're over the limit in your country of residence. Perhaps in collusions with the government as then there wouldn't be anyone to fine and collect money off of.
Of course, the hard-core, don't give a sh*t brigade who regularly drive trollied would find a way to subvert it, but then the law could be made even tougher. DUI + dangerous driving + tampering with the vehicle... etc.
What about those of us who have private land and may have had a few beers before realising the bins go out the next morning and want to take the rubbish down the drive?Of course, the hard-core, don't give a sh*t brigade who regularly drive trollied would find a way to subvert it, but then the law could be made even tougher. DUI + dangerous driving + tampering with the vehicle... etc.
We dont all live in a town.
V8C said:
Makes you wonder why car manufacturers haven't integrated a breathalyser into the car so it simply won't start if you're over the limit in your country of residence. Perhaps in collusions with the government as then there wouldn't be anyone to fine and collect money off of.
Of course, the hard-core, don't give a sh*t brigade who regularly drive trollied would find a way to subvert it, but then the law could be made even tougher. DUI + dangerous driving + tampering with the vehicle... etc.
For the same reason manufacturers don’t limit cars to the speed limit in each country... law enforcement isn’t their responsibility.Of course, the hard-core, don't give a sh*t brigade who regularly drive trollied would find a way to subvert it, but then the law could be made even tougher. DUI + dangerous driving + tampering with the vehicle... etc.
LarsG said:
So do you really need a alcoholic drink? If you can't do without one for one evening you might have a problem.
You are being a bit silly here.It’s not about needing one, it’s about wanting one because you really enjoy drinking one.
I don’t drink much, but I love fine wines,
some spirits, and real ales.
I really enjoy going to have a couple of pints of real ale in my favourite country pubs, or a glass or nice wine in a restaurant.
It’s not needing the alcohol to enjoy myself that is the issue. It’s wanting to enjoy the drink.
Slow said:
V8C said:
Makes you wonder why car manufacturers haven't integrated a breathalyser into the car so it simply won't start if you're over the limit in your country of residence. Perhaps in collusions with the government as then there wouldn't be anyone to fine and collect money off of.
Of course, the hard-core, don't give a sh*t brigade who regularly drive trollied would find a way to subvert it, but then the law could be made even tougher. DUI + dangerous driving + tampering with the vehicle... etc.
What about those of us who have private land and may have had a few beers before realising the bins go out the next morning and want to take the rubbish down the drive?Of course, the hard-core, don't give a sh*t brigade who regularly drive trollied would find a way to subvert it, but then the law could be made even tougher. DUI + dangerous driving + tampering with the vehicle... etc.
We dont all live in a town.
Provided your vehicle stays within the boundary of your private property and no vehicular RoW over it exists you haven't committed an offence.
You need to be careful of the latter out in the sticks though. The first 50 yards of the 'drive' to my parents' house was in fact part of a BOAT.
It was shown as such on the definitive map but few people were aware of its existence/status because the far end (through woods) was so overgrown.
By the time I left home nobody had driven anything motorised along it for years owing to a couple of fallen trees. All we saw were the occasional ramblers.
My parents sold the house nearly 40 years ago. I wouldn't be in the least suprised if the BOAT has been reclassified or even extinguished since then.
In Germany it used to be, not sure of the current situation, that the limit was lower, but the punishment was also correspondingly lower. So no bans for the lower end breaches just a fine.
That said if you were involved in any incident and found to have any alcohol in your system at all you were automatically deemed to be at fault to some degree.
Seemed to be a relatively sensible approach to me.
That said if you were involved in any incident and found to have any alcohol in your system at all you were automatically deemed to be at fault to some degree.
Seemed to be a relatively sensible approach to me.
Red Devil said:
Slow said:
V8C said:
Makes you wonder why car manufacturers haven't integrated a breathalyser into the car so it simply won't start if you're over the limit in your country of residence. Perhaps in collusions with the government as then there wouldn't be anyone to fine and collect money off of.
Of course, the hard-core, don't give a sh*t brigade who regularly drive trollied would find a way to subvert it, but then the law could be made even tougher. DUI + dangerous driving + tampering with the vehicle... etc.
What about those of us who have private land and may have had a few beers before realising the bins go out the next morning and want to take the rubbish down the drive?Of course, the hard-core, don't give a sh*t brigade who regularly drive trollied would find a way to subvert it, but then the law could be made even tougher. DUI + dangerous driving + tampering with the vehicle... etc.
We dont all live in a town.
Provided your vehicle stays within the boundary of your private property and no vehicular RoW over it exists you haven't committed an offence.
You need to be careful of the latter out in the sticks though. The first 50 yards of the 'drive' to my parents' house was in fact part of a BOAT.
It was shown as such on the definitive map but few people were aware of its existence/status because the far end (through woods) was so overgrown.
By the time I left home nobody had driven anything motorised along it for years owing to a couple of fallen trees. All we saw were the occasional ramblers.
My parents sold the house nearly 40 years ago. I wouldn't be in the least suprised if the BOAT has been reclassified or even extinguished since then.
Obviously drink driving is bad but I don’t think anything needs changing it’s old hat and on the way out. Pubs closing, education has happened and it’s just a small old minority now.
A perfect example is the seatbelt generation which is suddenly in the news again. That ship has practically sailed and even after a recent accident it made no difference so altering a limit is not going to add much value for society.
I think more attention needs paying to drugs. Quite a few teetotal people I know like a smoke and think they are safe when I doubt they are. I also wonder about prescription meds too.
That is where I think safety improvements can be made.
A perfect example is the seatbelt generation which is suddenly in the news again. That ship has practically sailed and even after a recent accident it made no difference so altering a limit is not going to add much value for society.
I think more attention needs paying to drugs. Quite a few teetotal people I know like a smoke and think they are safe when I doubt they are. I also wonder about prescription meds too.
That is where I think safety improvements can be made.
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