Found an abandoned vintage car, how can I claim it.

[4rephill]

Derek Smith said:

Breadvan72 said:

Derek Smith said:

To be theft, the property must have an owner.

Abandoned property has no owner by definition. If you have a reasonable, and supportable, belief that the owner of the vehicle abandoned the vehicle then you may take possession of it.

There are some civil caveats re property. These may or may not have an effect on whether you can be sued. I have no idea.

There is a classic case where a woman threw away a present she had been given by her boyfriend. It landed in a garden. A neighbour saw the contretemps and liberated said item. The neighbour was charged with theft but the defence of no owner was upheld.

Ignore this utter tosh.

That's a fine argument you've made there, BV, and difficult to argue against.

I'd appreciate being you letting me know if you suggesting that one can steal property that has no owner? Are you suggesting that property abandoned is owned? Are you admitting not knowing of the case I referred to? It's difficult for me, and, I assume, anyone else to work out what you mean by such a terse, and somewhat rude, statement.

Late replying to this but:

To keep this relevant, rather than generalising, as already stated, in the case reported by the OP, if the owner of the vehicle has died, has no family or friends, and has left no will, the vehicle becomes the property of the state, and so it does have an owner - the state. Therefore, for the OP to take it away and claim it for themselves would be theft from the state.

[Pericoloso]

Pericoloso said:

What car is it and do you have a pic ?

Just interested.....nosey...

I doubt this is ever getting an answer.

[Shuvi McTupya]

4rephill said:

Therefore, for the OP to take it away and claim it for themselves would be theft from the state.

Yes and they don't like it up em..

Property and wealth is only supposed to be transferred in one direction, into the giant black hole that is the state.

[Graveworm]

Shuvi McTupya said:

Yes and they don't like it up em..

Property and wealth is only supposed to be transferred in one direction, into the giant black hole that is the state.

"But what have the Romans ever done for us?"
Less than 40% of households are net contributors .. What does that make the other 60+% ?

Edited by Graveworm on Saturday 19th January 17:58

[Shuvi McTupya]

Graveworm said:

"But what have the Romans ever done for us?"
Less than 40% of households are net contributors .. What does that make the other 60+% ?

The thing is, people who get the hand outs are really just borrowing the money they get. They don't save it or invest it. They spend it on heavily taxed goods and the state eventually gets it all back and just hands it out again!

[dhutch]

selmahoose said:

the tribester said:

OP, you grab the car, I'll claim the house.
Finders keepers!

I've done this. And more than once. And I've currently got another one in the pipeline.

People DO abandon properties, and in my experience are happy enough for you to take them over as long as you pick up the cost of doing it.

Boosted LS1 said:

Strange that councils don't claim ownership of abandoned property.

I was going to say, it does also beg the question of why the house is left in such condition. Obviously sometimes the car will be more interesting and or valuable, but usually the house will be worth more than the car.

There where a few properties in the small market town used to live in that appearred abandoned, one a corner shop in a terrace, deceased butcher afaik, some mild structural issues, no parking but a nice enough plot. One near the centre with half the roof missing, creepers over the windows and front door.

Would be interested to know more about the process selmahoose.

Daniel

[derin100]

housen said:

this thread is brilliant


buts whats the bloody car ?

Ditto!

I'm loving this thread too but I think the OP is being very, very coy in being forthcoming with any actual details of the car or location etc.

Possibly worried that some thieving scrote amongst us will spot it and try to nick it off of him whilst he's not at home?

ETA: In fact, what would be the legal position then? Would one have nicked it off the OP...or the deceased...or is there simply "just no crime at all here...please move along"? And so then by extrapolation, it could then just repeatedly be 'taken' and there would never be any criminal culpability!

Edited by derin100 on Saturday 19th January 20:21

[Graveworm]

Shuvi McTupya said:

The thing is, people who get the hand outs are really just borrowing the money they get. They don't save it or invest it. They spend it on heavily taxed goods and the state eventually gets it all back and just hands it out again!

So where does the deficit come from? The lower paid spend a larger proportion of their income on untaxed goods.

[Shuvi McTupya]

Graveworm said:

So where does the deficit come from? The lower paid spend a larger proportion of their income on untaxed goods.

I would say that the poorer you are, the higher proportion of your money is more likely to get pumped back into the system, but that's just a feeling, not a fact .

Poor people tend to still smoke and drink and buy petrol, all of which are mainly tax.

If someone on benefits buys a gallon of petrol and a packet of cigarettes they just immediately gave the government back about 20% of their benefit cheque for the week!

Edited by Shuvi McTupya on Sunday 20th January 09:42

[majordad]

I had a car that disappeared from a friends garden where I had it stored. Someone along the line did a lot of work on it , some two years later I “found” my car.

Suffice to say the outcome for me and the finder meant we both lost money.

[AndrewEH1]

majordad said:

I had a car that disappeared from a friends garden where I had it stored. Someone along the line did a lot of work on it , some two years later I “found” my car.

Suffice to say the outcome for me and the finder meant we both lost money.

Care to tell us more? Did you get the car back restored?

[dhutch]

majordad said:

I had a car that disappeared from a friends garden where I had it stored. Someone along the line did a lot of work on it , some two years later I “found” my car.

Suffice to say the outcome for me and the finder meant we both lost money.

My uncal had this with an car he had as a student, stored in friends garage, they where a bit short so sold it for him without his knowledge or consent!

By the time my uncal realised it the car had been through a body off restoration with the new owner and the courts ruled more of the value was with the new owner than my uncal, he I think had to pay my uncle the value of the car, but also then had to give him first refusal if it ever sold to buy it back at market value.

Uncal kept the same landline number through several house moves and 30years later gets a call from them, the car is for sale and does he want it. Having peeled back enough carpet to assure himself it was the same car, he now owns a very nice e-type he bought 35 years earlier!


Daniel

[majordad]

I basically paid him for the work he’d done and some towards the increase in value and to cover his purscase price.

We’d both been screwed by the person who “removed” my car, it’s never worth going legal in some situations, this was one of them.

The “remover” is penniless.