Reporting crimes to the police
Discussion
RogerDodger said:
vonhosen said:
yonex said:
The same old excuses.
Crime, like burglary is totally out of control in parts of the country. Yet, we'll spend hours and hours investigating BS 'perverting the course' charges for speeding.
The priorities are making money.
The burglary resources aren't used for investigating those that you are talking about, Roads Policing resources are used for it.Crime, like burglary is totally out of control in parts of the country. Yet, we'll spend hours and hours investigating BS 'perverting the course' charges for speeding.
The priorities are making money.
Burglary has a finite amount of resources assigned to it, as does Roads Policing.
Burglary has to spread & prioritise it's resources across all the offences it is responsible for investigating.
Roads Policing has to spread & prioritise it's resources across all of the offences it is responsible for investigating.
There are far more resources assigned to burglary investigation than Roads Policing, yet there are far more Roads Policing offences than burglary offences.
That situation exists because burglary is a far greater priority than Roads Policing, but Roads Policing can't be ignored totally.
Lemming Train said:
..who where no doubt all tied up with trying to trace the IP of an immature teenager that had been calling someone nasty names on Facebook and had rung the police to report it. 
Indeed I also see a lot of time wasted by Surrey police on social media for stuff thats low on priority when resources are limited,like have a fun a safe way during guy fawkes night or how they respects LGBT etc ,I feel all that time and resources should be put on roadside patrols and proactive policingFor most forces the only success story seems to detect and convict drink drivers as thats the most easiest job to get a conviction and get their reports look great with many bar and pie charts!
Road traffic officers are very expensive with their vehicles.
The generic social media stuff will be done by a corporate comms department by non-police officers who aren’t very expensive and who have no vehicles.
Drink driving is far from the easiest to get a conviction. See the volumes of case law to see how many ways people can raise defences.
The generic social media stuff will be done by a corporate comms department by non-police officers who aren’t very expensive and who have no vehicles.
Drink driving is far from the easiest to get a conviction. See the volumes of case law to see how many ways people can raise defences.
I'm not for or against the Police in this country, I personally just don't understand what they do with their time or money anymore.
People get burgled, police hand out a crime reference number and close the case without visiting due to resources.
People have their cars stolen, police hand out a crime reference number and close the case without visiting due to resources.
People report theft of possessions from outside the home, police hand out a crime reference number and close the case without visiting due to resources.
Rural crime like theft of sheep, police hand out a crime reference number and close the case without visiting due to resources.
Report Anti-Social behaviour, police hand out a crime reference number and never turn up, perhaps due to resources?
Reported vehicle hit & run with VRN, company name on the side etc... police hand out a crime reference number and close the case without visiting due to resources.
Reporting vandalism, police hand out a crime reference number and close the case without visiting due to resources.
Someone I know was broken into, had a few bikes stolen. He reported it to Police and was told they wouldn't investigate until they had more reports.
My wife who works in a school with violent children has had specific training and direction from Police officers that they must call Police in specific scenarios. One of these scenarios happened and the Police were called. The operator told my wife it was nothing to do with them and she shouldn't waste Police time. One of the children ended up getting stabbed by another child whilst in school. The Police just did not follow up at all until someone more senior - who had given the training - was told and it all went to hell. The child who did the stabbing was never arrested, never questioned, I'm not sure if there were consequences for the call handler but it was all very poorly handled.
I reported an in progress bike theft, was told someone would come in 15 minutes. Nobody turned up and I had a call an hour later asking if they were still there, Course they're not.. Had another scenario very similar and Police got there in 10 minutes, 5 minutes too late but they still got there.
I reported attempted theft of my car, given a crime reference number and received no follow up - this was 2 years ago. Not a big deal as the car was never stolen but poor form to not get back to me.
I reported a vehicle I thought was stolen - they confirmed it was stolen. They never recovered it, it was removed within a few hours by a man with the key.
I still see Police around every now and again so I know they're out there, but what are they doing with their time and resources?
Whatever they are doing doesn't seem to be working for most people.
People get burgled, police hand out a crime reference number and close the case without visiting due to resources.
People have their cars stolen, police hand out a crime reference number and close the case without visiting due to resources.
People report theft of possessions from outside the home, police hand out a crime reference number and close the case without visiting due to resources.
Rural crime like theft of sheep, police hand out a crime reference number and close the case without visiting due to resources.
Report Anti-Social behaviour, police hand out a crime reference number and never turn up, perhaps due to resources?
Reported vehicle hit & run with VRN, company name on the side etc... police hand out a crime reference number and close the case without visiting due to resources.
Reporting vandalism, police hand out a crime reference number and close the case without visiting due to resources.
Someone I know was broken into, had a few bikes stolen. He reported it to Police and was told they wouldn't investigate until they had more reports.
My wife who works in a school with violent children has had specific training and direction from Police officers that they must call Police in specific scenarios. One of these scenarios happened and the Police were called. The operator told my wife it was nothing to do with them and she shouldn't waste Police time. One of the children ended up getting stabbed by another child whilst in school. The Police just did not follow up at all until someone more senior - who had given the training - was told and it all went to hell. The child who did the stabbing was never arrested, never questioned, I'm not sure if there were consequences for the call handler but it was all very poorly handled.
I reported an in progress bike theft, was told someone would come in 15 minutes. Nobody turned up and I had a call an hour later asking if they were still there, Course they're not.. Had another scenario very similar and Police got there in 10 minutes, 5 minutes too late but they still got there.
I reported attempted theft of my car, given a crime reference number and received no follow up - this was 2 years ago. Not a big deal as the car was never stolen but poor form to not get back to me.
I reported a vehicle I thought was stolen - they confirmed it was stolen. They never recovered it, it was removed within a few hours by a man with the key.
I still see Police around every now and again so I know they're out there, but what are they doing with their time and resources?
Whatever they are doing doesn't seem to be working for most people.
DO NOT QUESTION THE POLICE and what they are doing with their time !!!!!!111 La Liga has graphs and pie charts and everything, showing the UK population is very happy with the police service and confidence is higher than it's ever been! All these reports of people having bad experiences are complete fabrications, didn't happen and/or because they didn't pass the "attitude test". Nothing to see here people, move along now.
Lemming Train said:
DO NOT QUESTION THE POLICE and what they are doing with their time !!!!!!111 La Liga has graphs and pie charts and everything, showing the UK population is very happy with the police service and confidence is higher than it's ever been! All these reports of people having bad experiences are complete fabrications, didn't happen and/or because they didn't pass the "attitude test". Nothing to see here people, move along now.
Such cutting sarcasm 
La Liga said:
There are people who are satisfied with the police. Just as there are people who are dissatisfied.
La Liga said:
I don't need you to tell me there are people who are dissatisfied with the police. Those people are present and accounted for in the aforementioned data I talk of.
Good effort, though! ashleyman said:
I still see Police around every now and again so I know they're out there, but what are they doing with their time and resources?
Over 80% of the calls to the police is non-crime e.g. missing people, mental health issues, welfare checks, domestic matters which aren't criminal etc etc. The demand is endless. The scope of policing is extremely wide and well beyond what most people would consider it to be.
They're also spending most of their time responding to matters 'in progress' rather than something which has already happened.
In essence it's really simple. Larger demand with fewer resources means a lesser service.
Lemming Train said:
DO NOT QUESTION THE POLICE and what they are doing with their time !!!!!!111 La Liga has graphs and pie charts and everything, showing the UK population is very happy with the police service and confidence is higher than it's ever been! All these reports of people having bad experiences are complete fabrications, didn't happen and/or because they didn't pass the "attitude test". Nothing to see here people, move along now.
I shall rename him Statman.yonex said:
La Liga said:
If I couldn't present a rational and intelligent argument, I may be tempted to default to sarcasm, emoticons on their own or ad hominems.
'Stay in your lane' springs to mind with you two.
Well, you haven't yet.'Stay in your lane' springs to mind with you two.
Keep your head in the sand....
You've basically quoted an article which supports what I've already posted. Good work.
La Liga said:
In essence it's really simple. Larger demand with fewer resources means a lesser service.
Mikebentley said:
Just my input for what it’s worth.
Example 1: In September 2018 I was invited into someone’s flat whilst calling on him for my work. Within a few minutes he had threatened me a couple of times so I said I was leaving. He then took a large knife from a kitchen drawer and attempted to stab me. I was a Senior Prison Officer for nearly 20yrs previously so was lucky I reacted instinctively and disarmed him. I then shut a door between me and him which he proceeded to stab repeatedly as I held it shut. I got away and parked round the corner in my van and called the Police from my van. I was quite shaken. It was 18:30hrs on a Wednesday evening. West Mercia response was to ask me to visit a station 45 minutes away on Sunday evening at 21:30 hrs to give a statement?
It was not until I suggested I speak to the Police and Crime Commisioner ( he used to work with me) that I was offered a different level of service.
Example 2: Last November a friend was sat at window 1 Bristol Rd McDonalds in Birmingham in his van paying for his order when 3 Asian men ran past his vehicle and began attacking the driver of a Kia directly in front of him who was sat at the collection window. He thought it was a car jacking and saw the males were stabbing the occupant. He called the Police whilst it unfolded and they arrived quickly the men fleeing. It can be found on the internet. He was eventually waved around the crime scene and to this day has never been even interviewed by the Police.
I am a big fan of the Police and the hard work they do but they are clearly poorly managed. It appears that pandering to a politically correct media and having the “ right faces” in senior jobs and not the best people is having a negative impact on the service. The rank and file need support.
I agree wholeheartedly with your last paragraph but your first two examples sound exactly like officer incompetence.Example 1: In September 2018 I was invited into someone’s flat whilst calling on him for my work. Within a few minutes he had threatened me a couple of times so I said I was leaving. He then took a large knife from a kitchen drawer and attempted to stab me. I was a Senior Prison Officer for nearly 20yrs previously so was lucky I reacted instinctively and disarmed him. I then shut a door between me and him which he proceeded to stab repeatedly as I held it shut. I got away and parked round the corner in my van and called the Police from my van. I was quite shaken. It was 18:30hrs on a Wednesday evening. West Mercia response was to ask me to visit a station 45 minutes away on Sunday evening at 21:30 hrs to give a statement?
It was not until I suggested I speak to the Police and Crime Commisioner ( he used to work with me) that I was offered a different level of service.
Example 2: Last November a friend was sat at window 1 Bristol Rd McDonalds in Birmingham in his van paying for his order when 3 Asian men ran past his vehicle and began attacking the driver of a Kia directly in front of him who was sat at the collection window. He thought it was a car jacking and saw the males were stabbing the occupant. He called the Police whilst it unfolded and they arrived quickly the men fleeing. It can be found on the internet. He was eventually waved around the crime scene and to this day has never been even interviewed by the Police.
I am a big fan of the Police and the hard work they do but they are clearly poorly managed. It appears that pandering to a politically correct media and having the “ right faces” in senior jobs and not the best people is having a negative impact on the service. The rank and file need support.
yonex said:
Glad you agree. The Police are not meeting the needs and it's not worth reporting much to them.
Took you a while, but you got there.
I don't think you're going to get your consolidation goal you keep trying for.Took you a while, but you got there.
When you start off writing something stupid you can't support, it's usually best to stop digging.
La Liga said:
don't think you're going to get your consolidation goal you keep trying for.
When you start off writing something stupid you can't support, it's usually best to stop digging.
So instead of your patronising tone perhaps read a few things and take on board the experiences that are being shared. There is no 'goal', just a feeling of apathy with the Police force, for all the reasons given. When you start off writing something stupid you can't support, it's usually best to stop digging.
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