Reporting crimes to the police
Discussion
La Liga said:
yonex said:
The same old excuses.
Crime, like burglary is totally out of control in parts of the country. Yet, we'll spend hours and hours investigating BS 'perverting the course' charges for speeding.
The priorities are making money.
Out of control, indeed. Crime, like burglary is totally out of control in parts of the country. Yet, we'll spend hours and hours investigating BS 'perverting the course' charges for speeding.
The priorities are making money.
It sounds ridiculous but living in a rural area I know one chap who found his workshop being broken into and phoned the police who said they couldn't attend so he told them he would go outside and shoot the guys.... suddenly the village is full of police cars!
I'm very much in the camp that I believe there are still a good number of honest hard work officers who take their duties incredibly seriously but there simply aren't enough of those and like many other industries far too many pretend officers/admin/managers/HR nonsense.
Faz50 said:
For the insurance payout
You know, when the little darlings tried to pinch the M3. I called the useless sods, I did. I was then told nothing could be done as I had moved the vehicle. I hadn't moved the OBD port and had CCTV footage, were they interested, nope. I bet they would have been if the car had had a bald tyre. 
yonex said:
Pothole said:
So if we include unreported crime, the trend is actually downward.
Trends, really helpful.The trend is that the general public view the Police as nothing more than a f
king revenue enforcement service. Why bother even reporting a crime? There's no evidence in the surveys / measurements which look at trust, perception and confidence in the police suggest there's any such trend.
Pub-rant statements don't tend to hold up to scrutinuty.
The people in the full courts and full prisons wouldn't probably see it differently in terms of 'why bother?'
aka_kerrly said:
La Liga said:
Now that is interesting, based on reported crimes so can't be completely representative due to the number of people who don't bother to involve the police and deal with things themselves.yonex said:
La Liga said:
The people who carry out the perception / experience survey do.
The results don't support your assertion.
The results are skewed, due to a lack of confidence in the Police.The results don't support your assertion.
Do try and keep up.
Bigends said:
I wonder if the question of why those crimes werent reported to the Police was part of the survey
La Liga said:
yonex said:
La Liga said:
The people who carry out the perception / experience survey do.
The results don't support your assertion.
The results are skewed, due to a lack of confidence in the Police.The results don't support your assertion.
Do try and keep up.
Bigends said:
I wonder if the question of why those crimes werent reported to the Police was part of the survey
Reasons for not reporting from the 2016/17 national crime survey
Too trivial / not worth reporting 32
Police could not do anything 31
Private / dealt with themselves 18
Police not interested / bothered 18
Inconvenient to report 8
Reported to other authorities 5
Common occurrence 5
No loss / damage 4
Attempt at offence unsuccessful 2
Fear of reprisal 2
Own / family member / friend's fault 2
Dislike or fear of the police / previous bad experience with the police or courts 2
Happened as part of job 1
Offender not responsible for actions 1
Thought had already been reported 1
Tried to report, but unable to contact the police 0
Other reasons 7
Too trivial / not worth reporting 32
Police could not do anything 31
Private / dealt with themselves 18
Police not interested / bothered 18
Inconvenient to report 8
Reported to other authorities 5
Common occurrence 5
No loss / damage 4
Attempt at offence unsuccessful 2
Fear of reprisal 2
Own / family member / friend's fault 2
Dislike or fear of the police / previous bad experience with the police or courts 2
Happened as part of job 1
Offender not responsible for actions 1
Thought had already been reported 1
Tried to report, but unable to contact the police 0
Other reasons 7
yonex said:
La Liga said:
Oh, I'm terribly sorry, I.m just talking of my experiences of how various incidents with various forces have left with the opinion that they are totally hopeless, This is supported by a lot of my peers and, I feel, the general public. But do carry on with the excuses.
yonex said:
Crime, like burglary is totally out of control in parts of the country.
yonex said:
The trend is that the general public view the Police as nothing more than a fking revenue enforcement service.
Neither of which are supported by the available data / evidence and what I've responded to. paulwirral said:
that turned into an argument quicker than I thought !
I'll update if they come back and we as a street of friends and allies get a result .
I'll be on night shift again for a few nights yet !
It always does. I'll update if they come back and we as a street of friends and allies get a result .
I'll be on night shift again for a few nights yet !
It's well worth setting up a WhatsApp group, it's much quicker than a local area Faceache page to get the word out of any Ne'er-do-wells that may be in the area.
We have one on our little estate and it's pretty good and people only post when there's something relevant. Sadly some guy had a burglary the other day but a resident around the corner who didn't realise there had been a burglary managed to find the car on his CCTV that ferried the burglars there. Without the group it wouldn't have happened so worth some thought.
Have you considered a Ring doorbell also? We've just got one and it's a great bit of kit if someone comes into the driveway. We have CCTV but the Ring gets a much better picture of them as it's at about chest height.
Get a steering lock for the motors, just make them a harder target
Also have a look at Neos Smart cameras, just put one in my garage and it's great. £20, HD footage and alerts when it hears noise or detects movement. They're small enough to pop on a shelf and be fairly well hidden. You can also set them up to arm when you leave the house etc so you don't get constant notifications. Granted it won't be a deterrent but it'll be some nice evidence of someone in your house that might lead to an arrest etc. It also helps with peace of mind by allowing you to check in if you're out or in bed and hear something etc.
Here's a pic, ignore the clutter the sheds getting delivered soon
It's in night vision there as it's quite dark in the garage but they do record in full colour in normal light levels. You can also talk through it which is great then the Mrs empties the tumble drier and forgets the camera is there. 
It's always worth reporting EVERYTHING as it can form a pattern and hopefully get some patrols in the area but with current numbers any proactive work is very low down the list of things to do. My old shift in a big town used to parade well over 40 bobbies a shift, speaking to the folk in there now it's about 12......
Bobbies want to catch baddies but sadly naughty kids not coming home and other crap gets dropped on them. No one's more frustrated about not helping out with people like you than the bobbies on the ground, trust me on that.
paulwirral said:
that turned into an argument quicker than I thought !
I'll update if they come back and we as a street of friends and allies get a result .
I'll be on night shift again for a few nights yet !
Good work. Community action is often the way forward, if you know your neighbours and look out for each other it makes your street or area a much less attractive proposition to thieving scum. Thieves generally aren't confrontational and would sooner scarper than risk detection.I'll update if they come back and we as a street of friends and allies get a result .
I'll be on night shift again for a few nights yet !
Cuts to policing were agreed as part of austerity spending cuts by the new government back in 2010. It's what people voted for, the police can only do what their budget and resources allow them to do, presumably most people regard that as an acceptable trade off against lower government spending.
Just my input for what it’s worth.
Example 1: In September 2018 I was invited into someone’s flat whilst calling on him for my work. Within a few minutes he had threatened me a couple of times so I said I was leaving. He then took a large knife from a kitchen drawer and attempted to stab me. I was a Senior Prison Officer for nearly 20yrs previously so was lucky I reacted instinctively and disarmed him. I then shut a door between me and him which he proceeded to stab repeatedly as I held it shut. I got away and parked round the corner in my van and called the Police from my van. I was quite shaken. It was 18:30hrs on a Wednesday evening. West Mercia response was to ask me to visit a station 45 minutes away on Sunday evening at 21:30 hrs to give a statement?
It was not until I suggested I speak to the Police and Crime Commisioner ( he used to work with me) that I was offered a different level of service.
Example 2: Last November a friend was sat at window 1 Bristol Rd McDonalds in Birmingham in his van paying for his order when 3 Asian men ran past his vehicle and began attacking the driver of a Kia directly in front of him who was sat at the collection window. He thought it was a car jacking and saw the males were stabbing the occupant. He called the Police whilst it unfolded and they arrived quickly the men fleeing. It can be found on the internet. He was eventually waved around the crime scene and to this day has never been even interviewed by the Police.
I am a big fan of the Police and the hard work they do but they are clearly poorly managed. It appears that pandering to a politically correct media and having the “ right faces” in senior jobs and not the best people is having a negative impact on the service. The rank and file need support.
Example 1: In September 2018 I was invited into someone’s flat whilst calling on him for my work. Within a few minutes he had threatened me a couple of times so I said I was leaving. He then took a large knife from a kitchen drawer and attempted to stab me. I was a Senior Prison Officer for nearly 20yrs previously so was lucky I reacted instinctively and disarmed him. I then shut a door between me and him which he proceeded to stab repeatedly as I held it shut. I got away and parked round the corner in my van and called the Police from my van. I was quite shaken. It was 18:30hrs on a Wednesday evening. West Mercia response was to ask me to visit a station 45 minutes away on Sunday evening at 21:30 hrs to give a statement?
It was not until I suggested I speak to the Police and Crime Commisioner ( he used to work with me) that I was offered a different level of service.
Example 2: Last November a friend was sat at window 1 Bristol Rd McDonalds in Birmingham in his van paying for his order when 3 Asian men ran past his vehicle and began attacking the driver of a Kia directly in front of him who was sat at the collection window. He thought it was a car jacking and saw the males were stabbing the occupant. He called the Police whilst it unfolded and they arrived quickly the men fleeing. It can be found on the internet. He was eventually waved around the crime scene and to this day has never been even interviewed by the Police.
I am a big fan of the Police and the hard work they do but they are clearly poorly managed. It appears that pandering to a politically correct media and having the “ right faces” in senior jobs and not the best people is having a negative impact on the service. The rank and file need support.
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