Being messed around, when to say enough is enough?
Discussion
singlecoil said:
The garage doesn't have to release the car until the bill has been paid in full. If the OP feels he has been overcharged then he has to take them to court after he's paid and got his car back.
Depends what you mean by bill. They can only charge for the work done. If they've only done half, the bill cannot be for the whole job.Bert
BertBert said:
singlecoil said:
The garage doesn't have to release the car until the bill has been paid in full. If the OP feels he has been overcharged then he has to take them to court after he's paid and got his car back.
Depends what you mean by bill. They can only charge for the work done. If they've only done half, the bill cannot be for the whole job.Bert
It is highly probable that the garage and the car owner will disagree on the correct amount, and it is unlikely to be resolved on collection day. Therefore, the car owner will most likely have to pay whatever the garage owner demands to have the car released to him, and try and recoup retrospectively.
It's a s
tty situation but unfortunately that's the way the system is set up.monthefish said:
Correct, however whilst the car is in the garage's possession, the garage decides what is the appropriate amount before they release the car.
It is highly probable that the garage and the car owner will disagree on the correct amount, and it is unlikely to be resolved on collection day. Therefore, the car owner will most likely have to pay whatever the garage owner demands to have the car released to him, and try and recoup retrospectively.
It's a stty situation but unfortunately that's the way the system is set up.
That's false. That is theft. The garage only owns whatever was installed in the car. He doesn't own the entire car. Worst comes to worst OP can tear out everything the guy has done and pay him nothing.It is highly probable that the garage and the car owner will disagree on the correct amount, and it is unlikely to be resolved on collection day. Therefore, the car owner will most likely have to pay whatever the garage owner demands to have the car released to him, and try and recoup retrospectively.
It's a s
tty situation but unfortunately that's the way the system is set up.EazyDuz said:
monthefish said:
Correct, however whilst the car is in the garage's possession, the garage decides what is the appropriate amount before they release the car.
It is highly probable that the garage and the car owner will disagree on the correct amount, and it is unlikely to be resolved on collection day. Therefore, the car owner will most likely have to pay whatever the garage owner demands to have the car released to him, and try and recoup retrospectively.
It's a stty situation but unfortunately that's the way the system is set up.
That's false. That is theft. The garage only owns whatever was installed in the car. He doesn't own the entire car. Worst comes to worst OP can tear out everything the guy has done and pay him nothing.It is highly probable that the garage and the car owner will disagree on the correct amount, and it is unlikely to be resolved on collection day. Therefore, the car owner will most likely have to pay whatever the garage owner demands to have the car released to him, and try and recoup retrospectively.
It's a s
tty situation but unfortunately that's the way the system is set up.Apart from anything else, the garage will want to be paid for their labour.
They don't own the car or any part they've fitted to it. What they do have is a lien over it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lien
The wiring is done, full demo of everything working, dash reads the ECU, PDM fires up the power outputs, switch panel talks to PDM and ECU etc etc...
Startup was attempted Thursday night... and various oil leaks, water leaks and a fuel leak were found (no real surprise).
Since it now really is just a case of nipping up a few AN fittings and mapping the engine, I have decided to leave it with him.
He was very apologetic again, I don’t think we will fall out, but I am still very pissed off by the length of time he has had the car.
The next available slot on his dyno is 2 days at the end of the month... 2 days on a complex engine and electronics setup like mine won’t achieve the full bells and whistles, but it will achieve running at a fixed boost single map and the blip / cut setup done so I don’t mangle the gearbox - enough for testing... I still have all the bodywork to do... in fact, a massive ruddy list of things to do.
So, collection on the 29th now booked. I’ll then take it away, get bodywork done, get it “road worthy”, carry out some testing and go back at a later date for further mapping, switchable maps etc.
Startup was attempted Thursday night... and various oil leaks, water leaks and a fuel leak were found (no real surprise).
Since it now really is just a case of nipping up a few AN fittings and mapping the engine, I have decided to leave it with him.
He was very apologetic again, I don’t think we will fall out, but I am still very pissed off by the length of time he has had the car.
The next available slot on his dyno is 2 days at the end of the month... 2 days on a complex engine and electronics setup like mine won’t achieve the full bells and whistles, but it will achieve running at a fixed boost single map and the blip / cut setup done so I don’t mangle the gearbox - enough for testing... I still have all the bodywork to do... in fact, a massive ruddy list of things to do.
So, collection on the 29th now booked. I’ll then take it away, get bodywork done, get it “road worthy”, carry out some testing and go back at a later date for further mapping, switchable maps etc.
I love the fact the guy has had the car like 10 years or something but still managed to sweet talk the OP into accepting that the earliest he can get it on his own dyno is 2 days before the end of the month.
2 days before the end of this month is more than the total amount of time he said it would definitely, swear on my family, no word of a lie, strike me down so help me God have it all done by.
I mean it's not like this guy could bump someone else's dyno session that perhaps hasn't been waiting since the Stone Age for their car to be done, it's not like he owns the dyno or anything...
Sorry OP. I do hope it pans out for you in some fashion, but Stockholm Syndrome is right.
2 days before the end of this month is more than the total amount of time he said it would definitely, swear on my family, no word of a lie, strike me down so help me God have it all done by.
I mean it's not like this guy could bump someone else's dyno session that perhaps hasn't been waiting since the Stone Age for their car to be done, it's not like he owns the dyno or anything...
Sorry OP. I do hope it pans out for you in some fashion, but Stockholm Syndrome is right.
james_gt3rs said:
Tough spot for the OP as it's a huge hassle to pick up an unfinished car and get someone else to take it on. Hope it gets sorted.
Yup, agreed. The problem comes when the guy he's left it with knows this too. It is easy to get to a point where the thought of taking it somewhere else and possibly paying for things to be redone or whatever is unappealing, but the alternative is paralysis.singlecoil said:
Narcisus said:
EazyDuz said:
Stockholm Syndrome
Could well be.My view has always been get the car back asap. The recent (limited) progress hasn't changed my view. Things like the below backs this up.
Durzel said:
I love the fact the guy has had the car like 10 years or something but still managed to sweet talk the OP into accepting that the earliest he can get it on his own dyno is 2 days before the end of the month.
2 days before the end of this month is more than the total amount of time he said it would definitely, swear on my family, no word of a lie, strike me down so help me God have it all done by.
I mean it's not like this guy could bump someone else's dyno session that perhaps hasn't been waiting since the Stone Age for their car to be done, it's not like he owns the dyno or anything...
Sorry OP. I do hope it pans out for you in some fashion, but Stockholm Syndrome is right.
2 days before the end of this month is more than the total amount of time he said it would definitely, swear on my family, no word of a lie, strike me down so help me God have it all done by.
I mean it's not like this guy could bump someone else's dyno session that perhaps hasn't been waiting since the Stone Age for their car to be done, it's not like he owns the dyno or anything...
Sorry OP. I do hope it pans out for you in some fashion, but Stockholm Syndrome is right.
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