Being messed around, when to say enough is enough?
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sl0wlane said:
Emtron KV8 ECU
AIM MXS dash
OBR CAN keypad
HP Electronik PDM
Wireless steering wheel control
Battery isolator
Electric water pump
Electric fire extinguisher
A very high count of sensors, just about everything has a sensor on it.
The 2nd part of the work is to get the above lot of electronics to talk to each other and map the car, I have a known good base map, all of the above componants are known to talk to each other - other cars have the same kit list and work
Wow, that's quite some project. Does the specialist have a track record of being able to do all that stuff? Very specialised skills. Definitely get it back. I suspect you'll have a fun time agreeing the amount to pay. It'll possibly cost more for new guys to take on a half built loom than to start from scratch.AIM MXS dash
OBR CAN keypad
HP Electronik PDM
Wireless steering wheel control
Battery isolator
Electric water pump
Electric fire extinguisher
A very high count of sensors, just about everything has a sensor on it.
The 2nd part of the work is to get the above lot of electronics to talk to each other and map the car, I have a known good base map, all of the above componants are known to talk to each other - other cars have the same kit list and work
What a muddle, hope you make some sense of it.
Bert
-Neil- said:
This an outfit in Bromsgrove specialising in light weight vehicles with Jap engines?
Ahh, the guy that shorted me on various parts I paid for and he agreed to supply, used parts I supplied on other people’s cars without asking, supplied incomplete parts, blatantly lied about having custom parts made, missed every single agreed deadline and sat on my money for 2 years... no it’s not that guy.Edited by sl0wlane on Sunday 19th May 16:03
BertBert said:
Wow, that's quite some project. Does the specialist have a track record of being able to do all that stuff? Very specialised skills. Definitely get it back. I suspect you'll have a fun time agreeing the amount to pay. It'll possibly cost more for new guys to take on a half built loom than to start from scratch.
What a muddle, hope you make some sense of it.
Bert
I suspect you are right... track record, according to his friends yes, and his workshop certainly sees some expensive metal.What a muddle, hope you make some sense of it.
Bert
The trouble with paying anything for it is what he has done, the "90%" could be a load of old b
ks. So I would be inclined to recover the car and refuse to pay anything, if required, ask him to remove all the loom he has made and take it without, then start again.
It is bonkers that you should even be thinking of paying him anything after fking you about for so long. Go there, take out the loom, load it up and go.
He is in breach on contract, not you, let him come after you if he doesn't like it.
ks. So I would be inclined to recover the car and refuse to pay anything, if required, ask him to remove all the loom he has made and take it without, then start again. It is bonkers that you should even be thinking of paying him anything after f
king you about for so long. Go there, take out the loom, load it up and go. He is in breach on contract, not you, let him come after you if he doesn't like it.
james_gt3rs said:
poo at Paul's said:
Go there, take out the loom, load it up and go.
He is in breach on contract, not you, let him come after you if he doesn't like it.
I know what you mean, but how would you actually do this? By force?He is in breach on contract, not you, let him come after you if he doesn't like it.
It's difficult for the to try to claim a lien on a vehicle that they haven't done the work on, especially after all this time. I would go with a solicitors letter spelling out your course of action and why, give it him, and get on with it.
If you act sensibly about it, and reasonably, I think you'd be surprised how easy it may be. If the guy is not just some dodgy crook. Assuming he is just snowed under and a bit unreliable, and has fallen out of love with the OP's car, job and indeed the OP, he may be glad to be shot of it.
But don't debate it, tell him what you are doing and get on with it. record it all, photos etc, see how it goes.
BUt to offer to pay say 90% for an incomplete job that you cannot see what standard it has bene done to, well that's a sap's approach!
Oh, and if getting an autoelectrician to complete someone else's part complete work is anything like a domestic electrician, good luck with that. Sadly our registered electrician died mid job, and despite help from the regulatory body, we could not ge anyone to complete for love of money. Ended up having to pay someone to just do the whole thing again, from scratch. Madness, he genuinely pulled all the cables off the first fix and put them in the skip! They just don't want to know and wont test / sign off anyone else's work, fair enough I suppose. But would anyone finishing the OP's car want to warranty the end result after all this palarva! .….
singlecoil said:
poo at Paul's said:
Just walk into the workshop, tell him you are taking it back, push it outside and get on with it...
What could possibly go wrong with such a simple plan?
They are not working on the car, it may not even be inside, but it wont be on a ramp or anything.
Just go in and tell them what you are doing, it is your car, give them the solicitors letter and see what they do. The most they can try to do is call trespass, it is your property, remove their property and take it back. If they obstruct, call the cops, likewise is they assault.
They wont be arsed at all, I dont think. They've done 3/5 of f
k all on it, nothing for weeks, probably be glad of the space for all the other cats they aren't working on. It's the best starting point, going in offering to pay for 90% for a incomplete job, after all the f
king around OP has had, is a foolish way to START. If that is how it ends up, so be it, but at least fking start like you mean business, OP has been walked over for months now. poo at Paul's said:
singlecoil said:
poo at Paul's said:
Just walk into the workshop, tell him you are taking it back, push it outside and get on with it...
What could possibly go wrong with such a simple plan?They are not working on the car, it may not even be inside, but it wont be on a ramp or anything.
Just go in and tell them what you are doing, it is your car, give them the solicitors letter and see what they do. The most they can try to do is call trespass, it is your property, remove their property and take it back. If they obstruct, call the cops, likewise is they assault.
They wont be arsed at all, I dont think. They've done 3/5 of f
k all on it, nothing for weeks, probably be glad of the space for all the other cats they aren't working on. It's the best starting point, going in offering to pay for 90% for a incomplete job, after all the f
king around OP has had, is a foolish way to START. If that is how it ends up, so be it, but at least fking start like you mean business, OP has been walked over for months now. Tried calling all day today, no answer as usual.
The guys workshop is on the side of his house (fair play having a full dyno cell on the side of your house though - a toy I would love to have!)
The car should be stored in one of the two bays he has next to the cell, but I suspect it’s been kept outside under a tarp at some point as some parts of surface rust have started to appear... that and there is no way he can get other cars in and out without putting it outside.
The fact is, the only “amicable” way of collecting the car is to get an itemised invoice, pay the invoice, making it clear the work will be checked and it is paid on the condition all work is to a good standard, and then collect the car...
I’ll then have the work inspected by a known professional and take him to court to retrieve the funds if the work is not found to be 100% good.
Luckily, through business I have some good debt collection contacts, and a pretty large friend that come help me push it on the trailer.
I’ll keep trying tomorrow.
The guys workshop is on the side of his house (fair play having a full dyno cell on the side of your house though - a toy I would love to have!)
The car should be stored in one of the two bays he has next to the cell, but I suspect it’s been kept outside under a tarp at some point as some parts of surface rust have started to appear... that and there is no way he can get other cars in and out without putting it outside.
The fact is, the only “amicable” way of collecting the car is to get an itemised invoice, pay the invoice, making it clear the work will be checked and it is paid on the condition all work is to a good standard, and then collect the car...
I’ll then have the work inspected by a known professional and take him to court to retrieve the funds if the work is not found to be 100% good.
Luckily, through business I have some good debt collection contacts, and a pretty large friend that come help me push it on the trailer.
I’ll keep trying tomorrow.
sl0wlane said:
An hours drive away, and gets really funny (aggressive) if I turn up without an appointment.
Having slept on it, I’ll be getting some legal advice.
He gets aggressive !!! So he's a bully ? As soon as you get attitude from people like this you need to jump on them immediately ( not physically of course ! ) so they know you wont take any s### ....Having slept on it, I’ll be getting some legal advice.
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