Attacked by security guard - police blaming me!
Discussion
Red 4 said:
Roman Rhodes said:
Red 4 said:
Roman Rhodes said:
Well when the SG posts up his version of events everyone can criticise him too. At the moment all we have to go on is the OP's description of how he managed to end up being prosecuted even though he was the victim of an entirely random, unprovoked homophobic attack.
The OP was either the victim of an entirely random, unprovoked homophobic attack and has, to add insult to injury, somehow bizarrely become the one being prosecuted or the OP reacted to a simple request by the SG in such a way that the whole thing escalated. Observing that the reaction in the latter case was not pragmatic is not having a dig.
You need your head testing.The OP was either the victim of an entirely random, unprovoked homophobic attack and has, to add insult to injury, somehow bizarrely become the one being prosecuted or the OP reacted to a simple request by the SG in such a way that the whole thing escalated. Observing that the reaction in the latter case was not pragmatic is not having a dig.
You seem obsessive about the whole incident and have long lost all touch with reality!
I'm not the one who is obsessed with the homophobic insults/ attack angle.
It isn't me who has lost all touch with reality.
My point still stands. You need your head testing.
The op has a good understanding of the law/ his available defences.
Why constantly bring up homophobia ? Very odd.
milkround said:
He kept calling me homophobic names so I presume he thought I was gay. I genuinely think he was attacking me because he thought I was homosexual thinking about it.
The Mad Monk said:
Roman Rhodes said:
He has decided to drop that for some reason.
That doesn't stop Roman Rhodes being obsessed with the homophobic angle though.
I wonder why ? Odd. Very odd.
Red 4 said:
The Mad Monk said:
Roman Rhodes said:
He has decided to drop that for some reason.
That doesn't stop Roman Rhodes being obsessed with the homophobic angle though.
I wonder why ? Odd. Very odd.
As I said before, you seem to have lost touch with reality. Arguing against someone who observed that the OP's behaviour wasn't pragmatic isn't very rational.
Roman Rhodes said:
The oddest thing is that you think that I'm "obsessed with the homophobic angle". What conclusion did your wondering lead you to?
As I said before, you seem to have lost touch with reality. Arguing against someone who observed that the OP's behaviour wasn't pragmatic isn't very rational.
You are obsessed with the homophobic angle.As I said before, you seem to have lost touch with reality. Arguing against someone who observed that the OP's behaviour wasn't pragmatic isn't very rational.
That is all you ( bizarrely ) keep going on about.
I haven't reached any conclusion about why you keep going on about it - other than you come across as a bit odd/ obsessive/ have an issue with the op.
For the avoidance of doubt ( I'll spell it out in simple words that you can understand ) I haven't said that the op's actions were the best course of action on the day.
That does not mean that he has broken the law though.
It isn't a difficult concept to grasp.
Yep.
Had trial today. Lost. £620 costs. £20 victim surcharge. £100 compensation. 12 months conditional discharge.
Many aspects of it I was unhappy with. The solicitor who turned up had only been given the case the night before. She got stuck in traffic so was 2 and a half hours late. She hadn't been given a copy of my partners statement. She didn't have the CCTV so I needed to show it on my laptop. In the end she had to ask the CPS to use their CCTV throughout. Even ended up asking me if there was anything that had been missed when she was cross examining the guy who I'm now guilty of attacking. Felt like she did her best - but it all just went to rubbish. The mags got annoyed at the lateness, especially when she asked for an early lunch so she could go over the stuff.
So... I have to think about where I go from here. I lost and I have to accept that. Tbh after today I'm inclined to just pay the money and move on. It wasn't exactly a nice experience. All the CCTV which I had enhanced had not been served on the CPS so couldn't be used. Ultimately I lost and no one else.
Sorry to those who did believe in me a bit. I was gung ho about appealing a loss but really need to think about this.
Had trial today. Lost. £620 costs. £20 victim surcharge. £100 compensation. 12 months conditional discharge.
Many aspects of it I was unhappy with. The solicitor who turned up had only been given the case the night before. She got stuck in traffic so was 2 and a half hours late. She hadn't been given a copy of my partners statement. She didn't have the CCTV so I needed to show it on my laptop. In the end she had to ask the CPS to use their CCTV throughout. Even ended up asking me if there was anything that had been missed when she was cross examining the guy who I'm now guilty of attacking. Felt like she did her best - but it all just went to rubbish. The mags got annoyed at the lateness, especially when she asked for an early lunch so she could go over the stuff.
So... I have to think about where I go from here. I lost and I have to accept that. Tbh after today I'm inclined to just pay the money and move on. It wasn't exactly a nice experience. All the CCTV which I had enhanced had not been served on the CPS so couldn't be used. Ultimately I lost and no one else.
Sorry to those who did believe in me a bit. I was gung ho about appealing a loss but really need to think about this.
milkround said:
Yep.
Had trial today. Lost. £620 costs. £20 victim surcharge. £100 compensation. 12 months conditional discharge.
Many aspects of it I was unhappy with. The solicitor who turned up had only been given the case the night before. She got stuck in traffic so was 2 and a half hours late. She hadn't been given a copy of my partners statement. She didn't have the CCTV so I needed to show it on my laptop. In the end she had to ask the CPS to use their CCTV throughout. Even ended up asking me if there was anything that had been missed when she was cross examining the guy who I'm now guilty of attacking. Felt like she did her best - but it all just went to rubbish. The mags got annoyed at the lateness, especially when she asked for an early lunch so she could go over the stuff.
So... I have to think about where I go from here. I lost and I have to accept that. Tbh after today I'm inclined to just pay the money and move on. It wasn't exactly a nice experience. All the CCTV which I had enhanced had not been served on the CPS so couldn't be used. Ultimately I lost and no one else.
Sorry to those who did believe in me a bit. I was gung ho about appealing a loss but really need to think about this.
Sorry about that OP. Importantly, what does a conditional discharge mean- do you get a criminal record?Had trial today. Lost. £620 costs. £20 victim surcharge. £100 compensation. 12 months conditional discharge.
Many aspects of it I was unhappy with. The solicitor who turned up had only been given the case the night before. She got stuck in traffic so was 2 and a half hours late. She hadn't been given a copy of my partners statement. She didn't have the CCTV so I needed to show it on my laptop. In the end she had to ask the CPS to use their CCTV throughout. Even ended up asking me if there was anything that had been missed when she was cross examining the guy who I'm now guilty of attacking. Felt like she did her best - but it all just went to rubbish. The mags got annoyed at the lateness, especially when she asked for an early lunch so she could go over the stuff.
So... I have to think about where I go from here. I lost and I have to accept that. Tbh after today I'm inclined to just pay the money and move on. It wasn't exactly a nice experience. All the CCTV which I had enhanced had not been served on the CPS so couldn't be used. Ultimately I lost and no one else.
Sorry to those who did believe in me a bit. I was gung ho about appealing a loss but really need to think about this.
Piginapoke said:
milkround said:
Yep.
Had trial today. Lost. £620 costs. £20 victim surcharge. £100 compensation. 12 months conditional discharge.
Many aspects of it I was unhappy with. The solicitor who turned up had only been given the case the night before. She got stuck in traffic so was 2 and a half hours late. She hadn't been given a copy of my partners statement. She didn't have the CCTV so I needed to show it on my laptop. In the end she had to ask the CPS to use their CCTV throughout. Even ended up asking me if there was anything that had been missed when she was cross examining the guy who I'm now guilty of attacking. Felt like she did her best - but it all just went to rubbish. The mags got annoyed at the lateness, especially when she asked for an early lunch so she could go over the stuff.
So... I have to think about where I go from here. I lost and I have to accept that. Tbh after today I'm inclined to just pay the money and move on. It wasn't exactly a nice experience. All the CCTV which I had enhanced had not been served on the CPS so couldn't be used. Ultimately I lost and no one else.
Sorry to those who did believe in me a bit. I was gung ho about appealing a loss but really need to think about this.
Sorry about that OP. Importantly, what does a conditional discharge mean- do you get a criminal record?Had trial today. Lost. £620 costs. £20 victim surcharge. £100 compensation. 12 months conditional discharge.
Many aspects of it I was unhappy with. The solicitor who turned up had only been given the case the night before. She got stuck in traffic so was 2 and a half hours late. She hadn't been given a copy of my partners statement. She didn't have the CCTV so I needed to show it on my laptop. In the end she had to ask the CPS to use their CCTV throughout. Even ended up asking me if there was anything that had been missed when she was cross examining the guy who I'm now guilty of attacking. Felt like she did her best - but it all just went to rubbish. The mags got annoyed at the lateness, especially when she asked for an early lunch so she could go over the stuff.
So... I have to think about where I go from here. I lost and I have to accept that. Tbh after today I'm inclined to just pay the money and move on. It wasn't exactly a nice experience. All the CCTV which I had enhanced had not been served on the CPS so couldn't be used. Ultimately I lost and no one else.
Sorry to those who did believe in me a bit. I was gung ho about appealing a loss but really need to think about this.
Conditional discharge - No further sentence imposed unless commits another offence within 12 months.
If he does he will be re-sentenced for this offence as well as the new offence.
milkround said:
Yep.
Had trial today. Lost. £620 costs. £20 victim surcharge. £100 compensation. 12 months conditional discharge.
Many aspects of it I was unhappy with. The solicitor who turned up had only been given the case the night before. She got stuck in traffic so was 2 and a half hours late. She hadn't been given a copy of my partners statement. She didn't have the CCTV so I needed to show it on my laptop. In the end she had to ask the CPS to use their CCTV throughout. Even ended up asking me if there was anything that had been missed when she was cross examining the guy who I'm now guilty of attacking. Felt like she did her best - but it all just went to rubbish. The mags got annoyed at the lateness, especially when she asked for an early lunch so she could go over the stuff.
So... I have to think about where I go from here. I lost and I have to accept that. Tbh after today I'm inclined to just pay the money and move on. It wasn't exactly a nice experience. All the CCTV which I had enhanced had not been served on the CPS so couldn't be used. Ultimately I lost and no one else.
Sorry to those who did believe in me a bit. I was gung ho about appealing a loss but really need to think about this.
Ouch, didn't think it could go that badly. Did the other "witness" give a statement?Had trial today. Lost. £620 costs. £20 victim surcharge. £100 compensation. 12 months conditional discharge.
Many aspects of it I was unhappy with. The solicitor who turned up had only been given the case the night before. She got stuck in traffic so was 2 and a half hours late. She hadn't been given a copy of my partners statement. She didn't have the CCTV so I needed to show it on my laptop. In the end she had to ask the CPS to use their CCTV throughout. Even ended up asking me if there was anything that had been missed when she was cross examining the guy who I'm now guilty of attacking. Felt like she did her best - but it all just went to rubbish. The mags got annoyed at the lateness, especially when she asked for an early lunch so she could go over the stuff.
So... I have to think about where I go from here. I lost and I have to accept that. Tbh after today I'm inclined to just pay the money and move on. It wasn't exactly a nice experience. All the CCTV which I had enhanced had not been served on the CPS so couldn't be used. Ultimately I lost and no one else.
Sorry to those who did believe in me a bit. I was gung ho about appealing a loss but really need to think about this.
The Mad Monk said:
Sorry to hear you lost, milkround.
Expensive business.
No fine as such?
No I've listed it all. No fine. Expensive business.
No fine as such?
After this fiasco my xmas is now looking very scrooge like. But that was my choice and I put myself in this position.
I'm a little upset. But need to take it like a man.
I don't think the system is fair. But then it's the best system we have. In the end the mags said they didn't find me and my partner convincing because we would be able to discuss it. They also said I had failed to prove I needed to use self defence - this was a bit daft as it's for the crown to disprove it to the criminal standard. Ultimately none of that matters as I lost.
I've said that I'd update this. And I really will. But for now I want to go for a run and try and get this out of my head. At the moment I don't think I've even processed it all properly.
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