Attacked by security guard - police blaming me!

Attacked by security guard - police blaming me!

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anonymous-user

54 months

Sunday 24th November 2019
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Butter Face said:
Just a reminder that me and Vince have got a bet on this already hehe
laugh

anonymous-user

54 months

Monday 25th November 2019
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Red 4 said:
Roman Rhodes said:
Red 4 said:
Roman Rhodes said:
Well when the SG posts up his version of events everyone can criticise him too. At the moment all we have to go on is the OP's description of how he managed to end up being prosecuted even though he was the victim of an entirely random, unprovoked homophobic attack.

The OP was either the victim of an entirely random, unprovoked homophobic attack and has, to add insult to injury, somehow bizarrely become the one being prosecuted or the OP reacted to a simple request by the SG in such a way that the whole thing escalated. Observing that the reaction in the latter case was not pragmatic is not having a dig.
You need your head testing.
Insightful. At least I keep it out in the open rather than where the sun doesn’t shine. smile

You seem obsessive about the whole incident and have long lost all touch with reality!
Nah, you've lost me.

I'm not the one who is obsessed with the homophobic insults/ attack angle.

It isn't me who has lost all touch with reality.

My point still stands. You need your head testing.

The op has a good understanding of the law/ his available defences.

Why constantly bring up homophobia ? Very odd.
You've lost yourself chap. Here's part of the reality you've lost touch with:

milkround said:
He kept calling me homophobic names so I presume he thought I was gay. I genuinely think he was attacking me because he thought I was homosexual thinking about it.

The Mad Monk

10,474 posts

117 months

Monday 25th November 2019
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Roman Rhodes said:
MilkRound hasn't referred to the "homophobic" thing since very early on.

He has decided to drop that for some reason.

Red 4

10,744 posts

187 months

Monday 25th November 2019
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The Mad Monk said:
Roman Rhodes said:
MilkRound hasn't referred to the "homophobic" thing since very early on.

He has decided to drop that for some reason.
Because the words used by the SG were threatening/ insulting/ abusive and were intended to be aggressive rather than homophobic ?

That doesn't stop Roman Rhodes being obsessed with the homophobic angle though.

I wonder why ? Odd. Very odd.

anonymous-user

54 months

Monday 25th November 2019
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Red 4 said:
Odd. Very odd.
Almost had a flashback to professor yaffle then!

anonymous-user

54 months

Tuesday 26th November 2019
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Red 4 said:
The Mad Monk said:
Roman Rhodes said:
MilkRound hasn't referred to the "homophobic" thing since very early on.

He has decided to drop that for some reason.
Because the words used by the SG were threatening/ insulting/ abusive and were intended to be aggressive rather than homophobic ?

That doesn't stop Roman Rhodes being obsessed with the homophobic angle though.

I wonder why ? Odd. Very odd.
The oddest thing is that you think that I'm "obsessed with the homophobic angle". What conclusion did your wondering lead you to?

As I said before, you seem to have lost touch with reality. Arguing against someone who observed that the OP's behaviour wasn't pragmatic isn't very rational.

Red 4

10,744 posts

187 months

Tuesday 26th November 2019
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Roman Rhodes said:
The oddest thing is that you think that I'm "obsessed with the homophobic angle". What conclusion did your wondering lead you to?

As I said before, you seem to have lost touch with reality. Arguing against someone who observed that the OP's behaviour wasn't pragmatic isn't very rational.
You are obsessed with the homophobic angle.

That is all you ( bizarrely ) keep going on about.

I haven't reached any conclusion about why you keep going on about it - other than you come across as a bit odd/ obsessive/ have an issue with the op.

For the avoidance of doubt ( I'll spell it out in simple words that you can understand ) I haven't said that the op's actions were the best course of action on the day.

That does not mean that he has broken the law though.

It isn't a difficult concept to grasp.

Piginapoke

4,760 posts

185 months

Monday 9th December 2019
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Any update OP?

jakesmith

9,461 posts

171 months

Monday 9th December 2019
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The guy’s probably in witness protection now after turning queens evidence against the homophobic security guard, or maybe training to be a paratrooper

milkround

Original Poster:

1,118 posts

79 months

Monday 9th December 2019
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Yep.

Had trial today. Lost. £620 costs. £20 victim surcharge. £100 compensation. 12 months conditional discharge.

Many aspects of it I was unhappy with. The solicitor who turned up had only been given the case the night before. She got stuck in traffic so was 2 and a half hours late. She hadn't been given a copy of my partners statement. She didn't have the CCTV so I needed to show it on my laptop. In the end she had to ask the CPS to use their CCTV throughout. Even ended up asking me if there was anything that had been missed when she was cross examining the guy who I'm now guilty of attacking. Felt like she did her best - but it all just went to rubbish. The mags got annoyed at the lateness, especially when she asked for an early lunch so she could go over the stuff.

So... I have to think about where I go from here. I lost and I have to accept that. Tbh after today I'm inclined to just pay the money and move on. It wasn't exactly a nice experience. All the CCTV which I had enhanced had not been served on the CPS so couldn't be used. Ultimately I lost and no one else.

Sorry to those who did believe in me a bit. I was gung ho about appealing a loss but really need to think about this.

Piginapoke

4,760 posts

185 months

Monday 9th December 2019
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milkround said:
Yep.

Had trial today. Lost. £620 costs. £20 victim surcharge. £100 compensation. 12 months conditional discharge.

Many aspects of it I was unhappy with. The solicitor who turned up had only been given the case the night before. She got stuck in traffic so was 2 and a half hours late. She hadn't been given a copy of my partners statement. She didn't have the CCTV so I needed to show it on my laptop. In the end she had to ask the CPS to use their CCTV throughout. Even ended up asking me if there was anything that had been missed when she was cross examining the guy who I'm now guilty of attacking. Felt like she did her best - but it all just went to rubbish. The mags got annoyed at the lateness, especially when she asked for an early lunch so she could go over the stuff.

So... I have to think about where I go from here. I lost and I have to accept that. Tbh after today I'm inclined to just pay the money and move on. It wasn't exactly a nice experience. All the CCTV which I had enhanced had not been served on the CPS so couldn't be used. Ultimately I lost and no one else.

Sorry to those who did believe in me a bit. I was gung ho about appealing a loss but really need to think about this.
Sorry about that OP. Importantly, what does a conditional discharge mean- do you get a criminal record?


vonhosen

40,233 posts

217 months

Monday 9th December 2019
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Piginapoke said:
milkround said:
Yep.

Had trial today. Lost. £620 costs. £20 victim surcharge. £100 compensation. 12 months conditional discharge.

Many aspects of it I was unhappy with. The solicitor who turned up had only been given the case the night before. She got stuck in traffic so was 2 and a half hours late. She hadn't been given a copy of my partners statement. She didn't have the CCTV so I needed to show it on my laptop. In the end she had to ask the CPS to use their CCTV throughout. Even ended up asking me if there was anything that had been missed when she was cross examining the guy who I'm now guilty of attacking. Felt like she did her best - but it all just went to rubbish. The mags got annoyed at the lateness, especially when she asked for an early lunch so she could go over the stuff.

So... I have to think about where I go from here. I lost and I have to accept that. Tbh after today I'm inclined to just pay the money and move on. It wasn't exactly a nice experience. All the CCTV which I had enhanced had not been served on the CPS so couldn't be used. Ultimately I lost and no one else.

Sorry to those who did believe in me a bit. I was gung ho about appealing a loss but really need to think about this.
Sorry about that OP. Importantly, what does a conditional discharge mean- do you get a criminal record?
Yes to criminal record.

Conditional discharge - No further sentence imposed unless commits another offence within 12 months.
If he does he will be re-sentenced for this offence as well as the new offence.

meatballs

1,140 posts

60 months

Monday 9th December 2019
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milkround said:
Yep.

Had trial today. Lost. £620 costs. £20 victim surcharge. £100 compensation. 12 months conditional discharge.

Many aspects of it I was unhappy with. The solicitor who turned up had only been given the case the night before. She got stuck in traffic so was 2 and a half hours late. She hadn't been given a copy of my partners statement. She didn't have the CCTV so I needed to show it on my laptop. In the end she had to ask the CPS to use their CCTV throughout. Even ended up asking me if there was anything that had been missed when she was cross examining the guy who I'm now guilty of attacking. Felt like she did her best - but it all just went to rubbish. The mags got annoyed at the lateness, especially when she asked for an early lunch so she could go over the stuff.

So... I have to think about where I go from here. I lost and I have to accept that. Tbh after today I'm inclined to just pay the money and move on. It wasn't exactly a nice experience. All the CCTV which I had enhanced had not been served on the CPS so couldn't be used. Ultimately I lost and no one else.

Sorry to those who did believe in me a bit. I was gung ho about appealing a loss but really need to think about this.
Ouch, didn't think it could go that badly. Did the other "witness" give a statement?

The Mad Monk

10,474 posts

117 months

Monday 9th December 2019
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Sorry to hear you lost, milkround.

Expensive business.

No fine as such?

Janluke

2,585 posts

158 months

Monday 9th December 2019
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Sorry to hear the news

Thanks for sticking with the thread, so often these threads go unresolved


milkround

Original Poster:

1,118 posts

79 months

Monday 9th December 2019
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The Mad Monk said:
Sorry to hear you lost, milkround.

Expensive business.

No fine as such?
No I've listed it all. No fine.

After this fiasco my xmas is now looking very scrooge like. But that was my choice and I put myself in this position.

I'm a little upset. But need to take it like a man.

I don't think the system is fair. But then it's the best system we have. In the end the mags said they didn't find me and my partner convincing because we would be able to discuss it. They also said I had failed to prove I needed to use self defence - this was a bit daft as it's for the crown to disprove it to the criminal standard. Ultimately none of that matters as I lost.

I've said that I'd update this. And I really will. But for now I want to go for a run and try and get this out of my head. At the moment I don't think I've even processed it all properly.

Fatball

645 posts

59 months

Monday 9th December 2019
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Having to decide between the offer the officer gave at the start and defending yourself at court is a knife edge decision. Sounds like you didn’t get much support from your solicitor.

Pica-Pica

13,792 posts

84 months

Monday 9th December 2019
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Sorry it ended like this, Milkround.
Re-read your recent post to some of your early ones. There is a time when discretion is the better part of valour.

ging84

8,897 posts

146 months

Monday 9th December 2019
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After the thread went on this long this is a disappointing ending

So what do we do now?
start a riot?
bang sausages into the magistrate's lawn?
vote lib dem?


meatballs

1,140 posts

60 months

Monday 9th December 2019
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ging84 said:
bang sausages into the magistrate's lawn?
Give me an address I've got two dozen bratwurst I can freeze and deploy