Attacked by security guard - police blaming me!

[MYOB]

MR, you're doing the right thing. Put this behind you now and focus on having a great 2020 with your wife.

Like you, I consider myself being treated unfairly by the magistrates this year. Absolutely everyone told me to appeal but I didn't want any further stress in my life. A criminal record of this nature will not affect your life and in a short period, will be considered "spent" and you won't have to declare it. Find out from your solicitor when this will occur for you.

All the best. You will feel a great weight released from your shoulders for deciding to move on.

[Mandalore]

Roman Rhodes said:

fido said:

I’d be suing your solicitor and appealing! Am i missing something but surely the CCTV was the crux of you defence?

Great! I’ll see your appeal and raise you suing the solicitor! Anything to keep the pub lawyers here entertained.

Alternatively, with the end of 2019 approaching the OP could say “that was a weird year with a rather costly hiatus that I had opportunities to avoid completely. I’ll draw a line under that. Onwards and upwards in 2020!”.

Why entertain the prospect of stress, more stress, £50k of costs and looking like a complete knob in a sad face competition?

Some of those egging him on here are either mental (looking at you carinaman) or should be ashamed at using the poor guy to satisfy their unfulfilled lawyerly urges.

Somebody else suggested the same the other weekend. The word puppeteer was used.

[julian64]

milkround said:

Well I have made my mind up. And this will be my last post on this thread. I hope to contribute to the website in different ways going forward, I joined because Iike cars and mechanic things so will focus on that.

I'm not going to appeal. And I'm not going to let this eat me up.

I know what I did and didn't do. I never punched anyone - and I never intentionally set out to cause problems. That's all that really matters. Sod the police, sod the security guard and sod the system which operates like this.

I had a choice - I either prolong this for 6+ more months, thinking about it all the time. Or I focus on positive things and move on with my life in a direction which I am in control of. There are so many things I want to do - and I need to put my focus on those things.

At the end of the day - I took the decision to say no to apologising for something I didn't do. I rolled the dice and lost. In the grand scheme of things big deal. My grandfather had a conviction for theft - his crime was during the miners strikes (living in South Yorkshire) he went to a slag heap and picked up discarded coal to keep his family warm. The injustice to him was far greater than any done to me.

Massive thanks to everyone who has been supportive. In the end I have learned a lot from all this - and I now know some golden rules. Don't trust the Police. If someone is being arsey record it straight away. And most of all stop worrying about stuff which in reality is not that important.

I think you have made a wise decision. I can't remember the last time I spoke to someone who employed legal services and came out thinking justice had been done. I don't think that's how it works

I have watched two people die to the point where they could have had 'killed by the legal profession' put on their death certificate. Both of them were the same type of person. Highly principled and unable to let go.
One committed suicide after his wife left him (because he couldn't let go), and one had a heart attack in the weeks following a case where he ended up taking his legal counsel to court for what sounded like a giant tin foil hat conspiracy.

Next time you think of walking into a solicitors or lawyers office, just don't

[longblackcoat]

Milkround, I'm pleased that you've decided to leave the appeal and move on with your life. I hope you and your other half have a much better 2020 and you can quickly put all of this behind you.

[xjay1337]

Good luck Milkround.

I think it takes a strength of character to walk away from a wrong situation such as this.

It would take very deep pockets to fight, and it's probably not worth it.

But thank you for sharing your story and I'm sure every one of us here wishes you well.

[Fastpedeller]

Principals are worth fighting for … up to a point. Some in the legal profession are maybe not as honest as one expects - Several years ago I needed a legal document (for which I found out there was a set fee IIRC about £12). I made an appointment at a local solicitor group practice, and on completion I went to pay but the solicitor said "I'll need cash" when I took my cheque book out. I stuck to my principles (I pay my tax etc, why should I pay for others who evade), so I said, 'Oh sorry, I've only brought my cheque book, I didn't know it would be a problem'. He told me to make the cheque out to him personally (ie not the Practice ).

[Bumblebee7]

Fastpedeller said:

Principals are worth fighting for … up to a point. Some in the legal profession are maybe not as honest as one expects - Several years ago I needed a legal document (for which I found out there was a set fee IIRC about £12). I made an appointment at a local solicitor group practice, and on completion I went to pay but the solicitor said "I'll need cash" when I took my cheque book out. I stuck to my principles (I pay my tax etc, why should I pay for others who evade), so I said, 'Oh sorry, I've only brought my cheque book, I didn't know it would be a problem'. He told me to make the cheque out to him personally (ie not the Practice ).

This is very common, my wife works for a law firm and it's an unwritten rule the solicitors are allowed to do this by the firm. They use their credentials to certify/approve a document in their personal capacity as a solicitor so they just take cash as a little bonus. If it's any consolation most nice solicitors will use this money to buy their generally underpaid trainees and paralegals lunch- which is quite commonplace where my wife works.

[kestral]

Fastpedeller said:

Principals are worth fighting for … up to a point. Some in the legal profession are maybe not as honest as one expects - Several years ago I needed a legal document (for which I found out there was a set fee IIRC about £12). I made an appointment at a local solicitor group practice, and on completion I went to pay but the solicitor said "I'll need cash" when I took my cheque book out. I stuck to my principles (I pay my tax etc, why should I pay for others who evade), so I said, 'Oh sorry, I've only brought my cheque book, I didn't know it would be a problem'. He told me to make the cheque out to him personally (ie not the Practice ).

Tip of the iceberg. The Solicitors Disciplinary Tribunal did not strike him off!

https://www.lawgazette.co.uk/news/overcharging-sol...

[buymeabar]

Why not make a complaint to the CRA about your legal representation standards and leave it at that?

Move on with your life in regards to not appealing and if the CRA find that your legal representation was poor then look upon a refund for your solicitors shoddy services as a bonus in 2020. And if the CRA are also st and reckon your solicitor was ok then you’ve lost nothing.

[prand]

I wonder how OP is... I've just seen this news item that may (or may not in fact) have prevented the original incident:

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/sainsburys-receipts-sup...

[768]

prand said:

I wonder how OP is... I've just seen this news item that may (or may not in fact) have prevented the original incident:

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/sainsburys-receipts-sup...

I walked into a small train station shop with these somewhere, I think Malmö in Sweden. Completely unstaffed place as far as I could tell at the time.

They didn't have what I wanted so I tried to leave but these were the only way out. I tried a couple of the many receipts left scattered on the floor but that didn't work and I wasn't about to buy anything just to be released so I stepped over and my son went under. Odd invention, strikes me as a pretty pointless way to irritate your customers.

[motco]

prand said:

I wonder how OP is... I've just seen this news item that may (or may not in fact) have prevented the original incident:

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/sainsburys-receipts-sup...

My nearest Sainsbury's has these. There is an exit farther along where you can get out, albeit through another gate, without scanning. I'll be surprised if there's not a CCTV very high definition camera focussed on this exit.

[The Mad Monk]

prand said:

I wonder how OP is... I've just seen this news item that may (or may not in fact) have prevented the original incident:

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/sainsburys-receipts-sup...

Well, he is still posting - occasionally.

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

[MitchT]

The self service tills at my nearest Sainsbury's let you choose whether you want a receipt or not. Not sure how this system would work out there... or what happens if you need to return something.

[Durzel]

MitchT said:

The self service tills at my nearest Sainsbury's let you choose whether you want a receipt or not. Not sure how this system would work out there... or what happens if you need to return something.

Seems logical that those systems wouldn't give you the choice or accepting a receipt or not where one of these gates are being used.

That being said these systems always fail at the human component. I've lost count of the number of times I've had a member of staff just blindly override a "item removed from bagging area" issue. The tech isn't robust, and the staff seem to always complain about "having issues with that till", etc, so like any security feature that constantly nags you - you just start ignoring it. That's before you even get to the confrontational element of actually asking a customer to inspect the contents of their partially packed shopping bag (I can't remember the last time this ever happened to me).

If staff aren't going to actually check the receipt that people wave in front of the gate scanner, which I presume they won't, then it seems broadly pointless to me. It'll just catch people who pretend to pay, I guess. Maybe that's a big problem but I'd assume they lose far more stock from the aforementioned blind "item removed from bagging area" overrides.

Edited by Durzel on Friday 5th May 16:43

[The Mad Monk]

This is a four year old thread.

[mgtony]

The Mad Monk said:

This is a four year old thread.

When I saw this thread ressurected, I thought it must relate to the "CAN YOU LEGALLY "DETAIN" A CLEARLY MENTALLY ILL PERSON?" thread.

[Mr Miata]

Why would Prince Andrew need a special escort

[e-honda]

Mr Miata said:

Why would Prince Andrew need a special escort

Prince Diana had one
Not sure what it has to do with this thread

[OutInTheShed]

Mr Miata said:

Why would Prince Andrew need a special escort

Rumour has it, he had some fairly 'special' 'escorts' allegedly.