Attacked by security guard - police blaming me!

[ScoobyChris]

Zarco said:

Do you go there to ensure Tesco make less profit?

We only go there when Fortnum’s let us down

Chris

[ScoobyChris]

irc said:

Inconvenience caused by thieves.

My post was largely tongue in cheek. Of course I understand they are protecting their interests … but as a non-thief who always pays for what he buys it’s a bit of an inconvenience

Chris

[NRG1976]

192 pages is a lot. Can someone share a summary of milk rounds outcome? Thank you.

[119]

NRG1976 said:

192 pages is a lot. Can someone share a summary of milk rounds outcome? Thank you.

milkround said:

Yep.

Had trial today. Lost. £620 costs. £20 victim surcharge. £100 compensation. 12 months conditional discharge.

Many aspects of it I was unhappy with. The solicitor who turned up had only been given the case the night before. She got stuck in traffic so was 2 and a half hours late. She hadn't been given a copy of my partners statement. She didn't have the CCTV so I needed to show it on my laptop. In the end she had to ask the CPS to use their CCTV throughout. Even ended up asking me if there was anything that had been missed when she was cross examining the guy who I'm now guilty of attacking. Felt like she did her best - but it all just went to rubbish. The mags got annoyed at the lateness, especially when she asked for an early lunch so she could go over the stuff.

So... I have to think about where I go from here. I lost and I have to accept that. Tbh after today I'm inclined to just pay the money and move on. It wasn't exactly a nice experience. All the CCTV which I had enhanced had not been served on the CPS so couldn't be used. Ultimately I lost and no one else.

Sorry to those who did believe in me a bit. I was gung ho about appealing a loss but really need to think about this.

[NRG1976]

119 said:

NRG1976 said:

192 pages is a lot. Can someone share a summary of milk rounds outcome? Thank you.

milkround said:

Yep.

Had trial today. Lost. £620 costs. £20 victim surcharge. £100 compensation. 12 months conditional discharge.

Many aspects of it I was unhappy with. The solicitor who turned up had only been given the case the night before. She got stuck in traffic so was 2 and a half hours late. She hadn't been given a copy of my partners statement. She didn't have the CCTV so I needed to show it on my laptop. In the end she had to ask the CPS to use their CCTV throughout. Even ended up asking me if there was anything that had been missed when she was cross examining the guy who I'm now guilty of attacking. Felt like she did her best - but it all just went to rubbish. The mags got annoyed at the lateness, especially when she asked for an early lunch so she could go over the stuff.

So... I have to think about where I go from here. I lost and I have to accept that. Tbh after today I'm inclined to just pay the money and move on. It wasn't exactly a nice experience. All the CCTV which I had enhanced had not been served on the CPS so couldn't be used. Ultimately I lost and no one else.

Sorry to those who did believe in me a bit. I was gung ho about appealing a loss but really need to think about this.

Thank you

[donkmeister]

eldar said:

ScoobyChris said:

Zarco said:

I never press it. Waste of paper.

Yet to be assaulted.

Our nearest Sainsbury’s has just introduced barriers to leave the self checkout area where you need to scan the code from your receipt. Waste of paper and an inconvenience too

Chris

Move to a nicer area where there are fewer shoplifting scrotes

Our nearest Sainsbury's went with those barriers because of thieving scrotes coming in from outside the area (bringing lucky heather and cut-price tarmac).

They only seem to activate them at the sort of times when the thieving was happening. Go at "people heading home from a day of honest toil" time and you can walk straight through.

The gnashing of teeth by grumpy people on local social media was funny though - one bloke I used to work with was getting on his soapbox about "false imprisonment" and how he was going to walk through the barrier and say things to anyone who queried it. Stopped short of invoking Magna Carta but it was a bit FOTL. I've taken the train with him and gone through ticket barriers, I don't remember any scenes then.

[lancslad58]

donkmeister said:

eldar said:

ScoobyChris said:

Zarco said:

I never press it. Waste of paper.

Yet to be assaulted.

Our nearest Sainsbury’s has just introduced barriers to leave the self checkout area where you need to scan the code from your receipt. Waste of paper and an inconvenience too

Chris

Move to a nicer area where there are fewer shoplifting scrotes

Our nearest Sainsbury's went with those barriers because of thieving scrotes coming in from outside the area (bringing lucky heather and cut-price tarmac).

They only seem to activate them at the sort of times when the thieving was happening. Go at "people heading home from a day of honest toil" time and you can walk straight through.

The gnashing of teeth by grumpy people on local social media was funny though - one bloke I used to work with was getting on his soapbox about "false imprisonment" and how he was going to walk through the barrier and say things to anyone who queried it. Stopped short of invoking Magna Carta but it was a bit FOTL. I've taken the train with him and gone through ticket barriers, I don't remember any scenes then.

Wait until he finds out he's been recorded on the new mini body cameras some staff at the self service tills fell it necessary to wear.

[tupak798]

So the moral of the story is to always get a paper receipt?

[Alickadoo]

tupak798 said:

So the moral of the story is to always get a paper receipt?

Yes - and don't let things escalate is you are stopped by security.

[Zarco]

Alickadoo said:

tupak798 said:

So the moral of the story is to always get a paper receipt?

Yes - and don't let things escalate is you are stopped by security.

I'll go with the latter.

[tupak798]

Zarco said:

Alickadoo said:

tupak798 said:

So the moral of the story is to always get a paper receipt?

Yes - and don't let things escalate is you are stopped by security.

I'll go with the latter.

Probably easier to resolve if you've just got a receipt. Good to know.

[ThingsBehindTheSun]

Alickadoo said:

Yes - and don't let things escalate is you are stopped by security.

Funnily enough this thread always pops into my head when I am at the self serve till and it says "Would you like a receipt". Unless it is one item I always press yes now, especially if I am buying Alcohol or Meat which is likely to have a hidden RF tag.

I have set the alarms off a few times as the tags have not been deactivated, I always immediately stop and have the receipt in hand.

As this thread shows it is just not worth getting into an altercation with someone who has been given a uniform and believes that gives them power.

[The Gauge]

Great result for there OP's security guard then, who was just doing their job but were faced with an obstructive and purposely difficult customer.

I've been stopped a few times when exiting supermarkets after their security barrier alarms have activated. I think there must be an ID card in my wallet or something that triggers the alarms?

I've always just stepped back into the store and approached security who after a cursory look into my bags say 'Thank you' and I go only way. I've seldom had the need to roll around on the floor with the security guard, and to the best of my knowledge I haven't ever punched one of them in the face either.

It really isn't difficult.

[donkmeister]

TBH I get the impression that if you stop, look slightly bemused, step back and look at the security person they realise "not a thief" so wave you on.

If I ever decide to become a petty criminal I reckon I'd do really well by just doing that.

[Fermit]

I never steal, but often as I leave supermarket, the door alarm chimes. I just keep on walking, receipt or not. If they want a word I'm not scarpering, and if no receipt to hand the bank would be able to confirm the transaction took place.

[Solocle]

donkmeister said:

TBH I get the impression that if you stop, look slightly bemused, step back and look at the security person they realise "not a thief" so wave you on.

If I ever decide to become a petty criminal I reckon I'd do really well by just doing that.

Apparently when my mum was a student the telly in her digs was stolen in broad daylight.

Thieves just walked in with confidence and took the thing, might have been wearing hi viz iirc? Anyway, they just exuded enough confidence that nobody challenged them!

[paintman]

Solocle said:

donkmeister said:

TBH I get the impression that if you stop, look slightly bemused, step back and look at the security person they realise "not a thief" so wave you on.

If I ever decide to become a petty criminal I reckon I'd do really well by just doing that.

Apparently when my mum was a student the telly in her digs was stolen in broad daylight.

Thieves just walked in with confidence and took the thing, might have been wearing hi viz iirc? Anyway, they just exuded enough confidence that nobody challenged them!

Had that happen in a big Leicester city centre store not long after VCRs had come onto the market & were still silly money(yes, it was a long time ago!)
Head of security said to the head of the electronics department 'I see you've sold a VCR then'
HOE replied 'No, none yet'.
Appeared the thief had walked up to the display, disconnected it, tucked it under his arm & walked through the store & out bold as brass - straight past the head of security.

[Flumpo]

The Gauge said:

Great result for there OP's security guard then, who was just doing their job but were faced with an obstructive and purposely difficult customer.

I've been stopped a few times when exiting supermarkets after their security barrier alarms have activated. I think there must be an ID card in my wallet or something that triggers the alarms?

I've always just stepped back into the store and approached security who after a cursory look into my bags say 'Thank you' and I go only way. I've seldom had the need to roll around on the floor with the security guard, and to the best of my knowledge I haven't ever punched one of them in the face either.

It really isn't difficult.

It might have played out differently if it happened today, especially in Scotland…. If milky had posted his original post in 2024 on a number of different forums other than PH, he might be looking at a major climb down from the supermarket. Or not depending on what the cctv or witnesses saw:

‘He kept calling me homophobic names so I presume he thought I was gay. I genuinely think he was attacking me because he thought I was homosexual thinking about it.’

[Byker28i]

ScoobyChris said:

Zarco said:

I never press it. Waste of paper.

Yet to be assaulted.

Our nearest Sainsbury’s has just introduced barriers to leave the self checkout area where you need to scan the code from your receipt. Waste of paper and an inconvenience too

Chris

Very common in all supermarkets in Belgium

[Byker28i]

paintman said:

Solocle said:

donkmeister said:

TBH I get the impression that if you stop, look slightly bemused, step back and look at the security person they realise "not a thief" so wave you on.

If I ever decide to become a petty criminal I reckon I'd do really well by just doing that.

Apparently when my mum was a student the telly in her digs was stolen in broad daylight.

Thieves just walked in with confidence and took the thing, might have been wearing hi viz iirc? Anyway, they just exuded enough confidence that nobody challenged them!

Had that happen in a big Leicester city centre store not long after VCRs had come onto the market & were still silly money(yes, it was a long time ago!)
Head of security said to the head of the electronics department 'I see you've sold a VCR then'
HOE replied 'No, none yet'.
Appeared the thief had walked up to the display, disconnected it, tucked it under his arm & walked through the store & out bold as brass - straight past the head of security.

I was in a pub in that London about 20 years ago,two men walked in with a trolley and took the fruit machine. The giveaway was the bolt croppers to cut the padlock on the locking bar around it.
We alerted the landlord who simply said "not again" and suggested we didn't go outside to get the van reg as last time he tried they swung the croppers at him