Attacked by security guard - police blaming me!

Attacked by security guard - police blaming me!

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Monkeylegend

26,389 posts

231 months

Friday 19th April 2019
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milkround said:
To add even more comedy effect. Can you imagine this coppers face when she thinks she is dealing with a minor assault and I rock up with my folders full of case law, cps guidance, print outs of emails with the cps and other such over the top ness. I'll make sure to give it to the solicitor before I go in so they can't take it off me.

I've seen 24 hours in police custody. I've yet to see someone cite the court of appeal or cps when answering questions. It will wind her up no doubt (just from speaking to her on the phone - she got lairy when I said I'd get my own copy of the cctv saying she knew how to do her job). But as I've said before if it were her accused of a crime she wouldn't be passively accepting it I'm sure.
Sounds like you don't need a solicitor, save yourself some money.

Timbuktu

1,953 posts

155 months

Friday 19th April 2019
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Has the CCTV been posted yet?

Ructions

4,705 posts

121 months

Friday 19th April 2019
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kestral said:
milkround said:
To add even more comedy effect. Can you imagine this coppers face when she thinks she is dealing with a minor assault and I rock up with my folders full of case law, cps guidance, print outs of emails with the cps and other such over the top ness. I'll make sure to give it to the solicitor before I go in so they can't take it off me.

That all being said. It is my life we are talking about here... Whilst it's not the crime of the century I do reckon if she is going to be bold enough to say I'll be going to court she should know the topic inside out and have investigated it properly.

I've seen 24 hours in police custody. I've yet to see someone cite the court of appeal or cps when answering questions. It will wind her up no doubt (just from speaking to her on the phone - she got lairy when I said I'd get my own copy of the cctv saying she knew how to do her job). But as I've said before if it were her accused of a crime she wouldn't be passively accepting it I'm sure.
LOL. You have a shock coming to you when your solicitor says "there's the bin chuck it all in there and say no comment to everything"
The police will have no interest in your determination of the law neither will your solicitor.
At least he has the common sense to have a solicitor present during interview. You’d be surprised how many people actually trust the police.

Red 4

10,744 posts

187 months

Friday 19th April 2019
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kestral said:
LOL. You have a shock coming to you when your solicitor says "there's the bin chuck it all in there and say no comment to everything"
The police will have no interest in your determination of the law neither will your solicitor.
Based on what the OP has said so far I'd be surprised if his solicitor advised him to go "No comment".

Whilst the police and the OP's legal representative are unlikely to be impressed by barrack room lawyers I'd say the OP is right to do his research provided he gets the case law right.

Solicitors don't know everything.

I've met many good ones but I've also met my fair share of really, really bad ones.

milkround

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1,118 posts

79 months

Friday 19th April 2019
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Red 4 said:
Based on what the OP has said so far I'd be surprised if his solicitor advised him to go "No comment".

Whilst the police and the OP's legal representative are unlikely to be impressed by barrack room lawyers I'd say the OP is right to do his research provided he gets the case law right.

Solicitors don't know everything.

I've met many good ones but I've also met my fair share of really, really bad ones.
Cheers mate.

Sounds a bit daft to hear I'm not totally mental from someone who actually has done that job and knows a bit about it.

I'll have to see what happens. Life is too short to let it get you down.

Cyberprog

2,190 posts

183 months

Saturday 20th April 2019
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Mojooo said:
Giventhat some uspermarkets dont force you to take a receipt why should we?

i dont bother when i pop in to get my lunch.
I certainly don't bother, but I do use my loyalty cards so know it would be trivial for them to look it up.

The Mad Monk

10,474 posts

117 months

Saturday 20th April 2019
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milkround said:
Went to a supermarket.

etc, etc,
Next time, will you do exactly the same thing?

FiF

44,085 posts

251 months

Saturday 20th April 2019
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Red 4 said:
Monkeylegend said:
Red 4 said:
berlintaxi said:
milkround said:
Got solicitor covered. If it gets more serious will throw some money at a decent one.
Sounds like a great strategy, start with a crap but cheap solicitor then panic when his advice doesn't work out.
I think the op means he will take advantage of the free legal advice that will be available to him if/ when he attends a voluntary interview.

If he is charged then he will seek out a legal eagle to defend his case at court.

Seems a reasonable strategy to me.
You don't do humour then smile
Yeah, I do humour.

If this was said in jest, then fair play.

I just think some posters have taken cheap shots at the op on this thread and, as an ex Police Officer, I'm not totally convinced that the Police are dealing with this job in the correct manner.

Time will tell I suppose but trying to pressure someone into accepting a caution/ community resolution when, on the face of it, the op has done nothing wrong isn't fair play IMO.

I appreciate we've only got the OP's version of events, 2 sides to a story, etc etc and we really need to see the evidence ... But until then ...
Those are my thoughts too, but this is PH with the usual rush to see who can be first in with the biggest piss take of the OP.

Reserving further judgement, but was reminded of this thread when one of those new fangled IPad style tills in Sainsbo's asked me if I wanted a receipt.

The Mad Monk

10,474 posts

117 months

Saturday 20th April 2019
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FiF said:
Those are my thoughts too, but this is PH with the usual rush to see who can be first in with the biggest piss take of the OP.

Reserving further judgement, but was reminded of this thread when one of those new fangled IPad style tills in Sainsbo's asked me if I wanted a receipt.
What was your reply?

FiF

44,085 posts

251 months

Saturday 20th April 2019
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The Mad Monk said:
FiF said:
Those are my thoughts too, but this is PH with the usual rush to see who can be first in with the biggest piss take of the OP.

Reserving further judgement, but was reminded of this thread when one of those new fangled IPad style tills in Sainsbo's asked me if I wanted a receipt.
What was your reply?
Obviously yes to a receipt as couldn't resist the accompanying delight of a stream of vouchers for stuff that have no intention of buying. Unbelievably I am a reasonable person who prefers a smooth hassle free path in life. Then one day found PH, so it all went tits up from there.

CubanPete

3,630 posts

188 months

Saturday 20th April 2019
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The Mad Monk said:
milkround said:
Went to a supermarket.

etc, etc,
Next time, will you do exactly the same thing?
He's already said he wishes he hadn't.

The security guard came on aggressively and he reacted. The security guard then over reacted.

The policewoman made an assumption from one side of the story and thought she could sweep it up nice and quickly.

We have only heard one side of events, but it sounds like everyone would have reacted differently in retrospect.


hutchst

3,702 posts

96 months

Saturday 20th April 2019
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CubanPete said:
He's already said he wishes he hadn't.

The security guard came on aggressively and he reacted. The security guard then over reacted.

The policewoman made an assumption from one side of the story after viewing the CCTV footage of the incident and thought she could sweep it up nice and quickly.

We have only heard one side of events, but it sounds like everyone would have reacted differently in retrospect.
FTFY

wjb

5,100 posts

131 months

Saturday 20th April 2019
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Has this gone to trial yet?

limpsfield

5,885 posts

253 months

Saturday 20th April 2019
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wjb said:
Has this gone to trial yet?
I think the European Court of Human Rights is checking to see when it has a slot available.

anonymous-user

54 months

Saturday 20th April 2019
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limpsfield said:
wjb said:
Has this gone to trial yet?
I think the European Court of Human Rights is checking to see when it has a slot available.
I’m pretty sure Poirot is on standby.

TriumphStag3.0V8

3,852 posts

81 months

Saturday 20th April 2019
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Timbuktu said:
Has the CCTV been posted yet?
Surprisingly, I don't believe it has.

bad company

18,582 posts

266 months

Saturday 20th April 2019
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TriumphStag3.0V8 said:
Timbuktu said:
Has the CCTV been posted yet?
Surprisingly, I don't believe it has.
I doubt the op has it yet. He may not be able to post it when/if he has it for legal reasons.

milkround

Original Poster:

1,118 posts

79 months

Saturday 20th April 2019
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CubanPete said:
The Mad Monk said:
milkround said:
Went to a supermarket.

etc, etc,
Next time, will you do exactly the same thing?
He's already said he wishes he hadn't.

The security guard came on aggressively and he reacted. The security guard then over reacted.

The policewoman made an assumption from one side of the story and thought she could sweep it up nice and quickly.

We have only heard one side of events, but it sounds like everyone would have reacted differently in retrospect.
Then the next logical question is to ask if you think that it's reasonable for people who attack security staff whilst they are doing their job to he dealt with by the way of an apology letter and a promise to not go near the shop again?

I don't know about it well enough. But if she truly felt that I'd been shoplifting and then attacked the gaurd whilst he tried to lawfully detain me before getting away, then youd think that was the sort of person who should be arrested and put before the courts.

I suspect that there is a bit more to it than you infer. Not least because I've so far been given two versions of what happened by her from the CCTV.

As others have said you have all only heard one side of this from me. But I'd wager not a single police officer on here would admit that if they'd only give a shoplifter who attacked someone making a citizens arrest and the made off a community resolution to say he is sorry.

No one comes out of it well. Not least me. But that doesn't mean I should be the one held to be criminally at fault.

milkround

Original Poster:

1,118 posts

79 months

Saturday 20th April 2019
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bad company said:
I doubt the op has it yet. He may not be able to post it when/if he has it for legal reasons.
Correct on count one.

Once I do have it unless I get a really convincing reason not to I will post. All faces apart from mine will be pixelated out anyway. So it's not like I'm harming anyone else.

MitchT

15,867 posts

209 months

Saturday 20th April 2019
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Heaving read all of this I think the best course of action when such a scenario first starts to unfold is to go along with what you're being asked to do, then make your displeasure at being humiliated by the accusation of being a criminal clear to the management afterwards. If you're nice about it you might get some vouchers. Good luck though, sounds like the security guard was bang out of order.