Attacked by security guard - police blaming me!
Discussion
milkround said:
To add even more comedy effect. Can you imagine this coppers face when she thinks she is dealing with a minor assault and I rock up with my folders full of case law, cps guidance, print outs of emails with the cps and other such over the top ness. I'll make sure to give it to the solicitor before I go in so they can't take it off me.
I've seen 24 hours in police custody. I've yet to see someone cite the court of appeal or cps when answering questions. It will wind her up no doubt (just from speaking to her on the phone - she got lairy when I said I'd get my own copy of the cctv saying she knew how to do her job). But as I've said before if it were her accused of a crime she wouldn't be passively accepting it I'm sure.
Sounds like you don't need a solicitor, save yourself some money.I've seen 24 hours in police custody. I've yet to see someone cite the court of appeal or cps when answering questions. It will wind her up no doubt (just from speaking to her on the phone - she got lairy when I said I'd get my own copy of the cctv saying she knew how to do her job). But as I've said before if it were her accused of a crime she wouldn't be passively accepting it I'm sure.
kestral said:
milkround said:
To add even more comedy effect. Can you imagine this coppers face when she thinks she is dealing with a minor assault and I rock up with my folders full of case law, cps guidance, print outs of emails with the cps and other such over the top ness. I'll make sure to give it to the solicitor before I go in so they can't take it off me.
That all being said. It is my life we are talking about here... Whilst it's not the crime of the century I do reckon if she is going to be bold enough to say I'll be going to court she should know the topic inside out and have investigated it properly.
I've seen 24 hours in police custody. I've yet to see someone cite the court of appeal or cps when answering questions. It will wind her up no doubt (just from speaking to her on the phone - she got lairy when I said I'd get my own copy of the cctv saying she knew how to do her job). But as I've said before if it were her accused of a crime she wouldn't be passively accepting it I'm sure.
LOL. You have a shock coming to you when your solicitor says "there's the bin chuck it all in there and say no comment to everything"That all being said. It is my life we are talking about here... Whilst it's not the crime of the century I do reckon if she is going to be bold enough to say I'll be going to court she should know the topic inside out and have investigated it properly.
I've seen 24 hours in police custody. I've yet to see someone cite the court of appeal or cps when answering questions. It will wind her up no doubt (just from speaking to her on the phone - she got lairy when I said I'd get my own copy of the cctv saying she knew how to do her job). But as I've said before if it were her accused of a crime she wouldn't be passively accepting it I'm sure.
The police will have no interest in your determination of the law neither will your solicitor.
kestral said:
LOL. You have a shock coming to you when your solicitor says "there's the bin chuck it all in there and say no comment to everything"
The police will have no interest in your determination of the law neither will your solicitor.
Based on what the OP has said so far I'd be surprised if his solicitor advised him to go "No comment".The police will have no interest in your determination of the law neither will your solicitor.
Whilst the police and the OP's legal representative are unlikely to be impressed by barrack room lawyers I'd say the OP is right to do his research provided he gets the case law right.
Solicitors don't know everything.
I've met many good ones but I've also met my fair share of really, really bad ones.
Red 4 said:
Based on what the OP has said so far I'd be surprised if his solicitor advised him to go "No comment".
Whilst the police and the OP's legal representative are unlikely to be impressed by barrack room lawyers I'd say the OP is right to do his research provided he gets the case law right.
Solicitors don't know everything.
I've met many good ones but I've also met my fair share of really, really bad ones.
Cheers mate. Whilst the police and the OP's legal representative are unlikely to be impressed by barrack room lawyers I'd say the OP is right to do his research provided he gets the case law right.
Solicitors don't know everything.
I've met many good ones but I've also met my fair share of really, really bad ones.
Sounds a bit daft to hear I'm not totally mental from someone who actually has done that job and knows a bit about it.
I'll have to see what happens. Life is too short to let it get you down.
Red 4 said:
Monkeylegend said:
Red 4 said:
berlintaxi said:
milkround said:
Got solicitor covered. If it gets more serious will throw some money at a decent one.
Sounds like a great strategy, start with a crap but cheap solicitor then panic when his advice doesn't work out.If he is charged then he will seek out a legal eagle to defend his case at court.
Seems a reasonable strategy to me.
If this was said in jest, then fair play.
I just think some posters have taken cheap shots at the op on this thread and, as an ex Police Officer, I'm not totally convinced that the Police are dealing with this job in the correct manner.
Time will tell I suppose but trying to pressure someone into accepting a caution/ community resolution when, on the face of it, the op has done nothing wrong isn't fair play IMO.
I appreciate we've only got the OP's version of events, 2 sides to a story, etc etc and we really need to see the evidence ... But until then ...
Reserving further judgement, but was reminded of this thread when one of those new fangled IPad style tills in Sainsbo's asked me if I wanted a receipt.
FiF said:
Those are my thoughts too, but this is PH with the usual rush to see who can be first in with the biggest piss take of the OP.
Reserving further judgement, but was reminded of this thread when one of those new fangled IPad style tills in Sainsbo's asked me if I wanted a receipt.
What was your reply?Reserving further judgement, but was reminded of this thread when one of those new fangled IPad style tills in Sainsbo's asked me if I wanted a receipt.
The Mad Monk said:
FiF said:
Those are my thoughts too, but this is PH with the usual rush to see who can be first in with the biggest piss take of the OP.
Reserving further judgement, but was reminded of this thread when one of those new fangled IPad style tills in Sainsbo's asked me if I wanted a receipt.
What was your reply?Reserving further judgement, but was reminded of this thread when one of those new fangled IPad style tills in Sainsbo's asked me if I wanted a receipt.
The Mad Monk said:
milkround said:
Went to a supermarket.
etc, etc,
Next time, will you do exactly the same thing?etc, etc,
The security guard came on aggressively and he reacted. The security guard then over reacted.
The policewoman made an assumption from one side of the story and thought she could sweep it up nice and quickly.
We have only heard one side of events, but it sounds like everyone would have reacted differently in retrospect.
CubanPete said:
He's already said he wishes he hadn't.
The security guard came on aggressively and he reacted. The security guard then over reacted.
The policewoman made an assumptionfrom one side of the story after viewing the CCTV footage of the incident and thought she could sweep it up nice and quickly.
We have only heard one side of events, but it sounds like everyone would have reacted differently in retrospect.
FTFYThe security guard came on aggressively and he reacted. The security guard then over reacted.
The policewoman made an assumption
We have only heard one side of events, but it sounds like everyone would have reacted differently in retrospect.
CubanPete said:
The Mad Monk said:
milkround said:
Went to a supermarket.
etc, etc,
Next time, will you do exactly the same thing?etc, etc,
The security guard came on aggressively and he reacted. The security guard then over reacted.
The policewoman made an assumption from one side of the story and thought she could sweep it up nice and quickly.
We have only heard one side of events, but it sounds like everyone would have reacted differently in retrospect.
I don't know about it well enough. But if she truly felt that I'd been shoplifting and then attacked the gaurd whilst he tried to lawfully detain me before getting away, then youd think that was the sort of person who should be arrested and put before the courts.
I suspect that there is a bit more to it than you infer. Not least because I've so far been given two versions of what happened by her from the CCTV.
As others have said you have all only heard one side of this from me. But I'd wager not a single police officer on here would admit that if they'd only give a shoplifter who attacked someone making a citizens arrest and the made off a community resolution to say he is sorry.
No one comes out of it well. Not least me. But that doesn't mean I should be the one held to be criminally at fault.
bad company said:
I doubt the op has it yet. He may not be able to post it when/if he has it for legal reasons.
Correct on count one. Once I do have it unless I get a really convincing reason not to I will post. All faces apart from mine will be pixelated out anyway. So it's not like I'm harming anyone else.
Heaving read all of this I think the best course of action when such a scenario first starts to unfold is to go along with what you're being asked to do, then make your displeasure at being humiliated by the accusation of being a criminal clear to the management afterwards. If you're nice about it you might get some vouchers. Good luck though, sounds like the security guard was bang out of order.
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