Maximum legal speed in a van
Discussion
2 sMoKiN bArReLs said:
2 sMoKiN bArReLs said:
vonhosen said:
2 sMoKiN bArReLs said:
bigdog3 said:
What about if the dual carriageway is signed at 70 MPH (rather than national speed limit)
) that a dual carriageway that's not NSL might be 70 for a van?Why else have a 70mph sign?
All motorways are special roads, but not all special roads are motorways just to complicate matters.
Yep dog's breakfast again.
But more here particular note should be taken of the difference between Special Roads and All Purpose Roads and the following.
"One of the unusual characteristics of all non-motorway Special Roads is that they must have their Speed Limits defined within their Statutory Instruments and signposted explicitly, as the National Speed Limit only applies to all-purpose roads and motorways. One common feature of many non-motorway Special Roads is the presence of speed limit signs indicating "70" where a National Speed Limit sign would normally be expected.
Note that while the National Speed Limit does not apply to non-motorway Special Roads, specific limits for classes of vehicle (such as the 60mph limit for heavy goods vehicles) is specified in separate legislation and does still apply - so the existence of a 70mph speed limit sign on a non-motorway Special Road does not exempt vehicles from lower limits that normally apply to them."
bigdog3 said:
V8RX7 said:
Single cab non car derived are van limits - he was in his Brava (it was a long time ago)
So it's not a dual-purpose vehicle even if 4wd with unladen weight under 2040kg? Is the clue in the term passenger or passengers?Dual purpose vehicles
A dual purpose vehicle is a vehicle constructed or adapted for the carriage both of passengers and of goods and designed to weigh no more than 2,040 kg when unladen, and is either:
Constructed or adapted so that the driving power of the engine is, or can be selected to be, transmitted to all wheels of the vehicle
Or permanently fitted with a rigid roof, at least one row of transverse passenger seats to the rear of the driver’s seat and will have side and rear windows - there must also be a minimum ratio between the size of passenger and stowage areas
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/car-der...
https://www.gov.uk/speed-limits
I didn't think a 4WD single cab was but I haven't checked
V8RX7 said:
A 2WD Brava certainly isn't
I didn't think a 4WD single cab was but I haven't checked
4wd Double Cab pick-up has car limits providing it's under 2040kg unladen I didn't think a 4WD single cab was but I haven't checked
Assume the same logic applies to King Cab / Super Cab pick-ups with their extra "occasional" seats (2+2) 
https://www.askthe.police.uk/content/Q529.htm#
This is far worse than a dog's breakfast
bigdog3 said:
4wd Double Cab pick-up has car limits providing it's under 2040kg unladen Assume the same logic applies to King Cab / Super Cab pick-ups with their extra "occasional" seats (2+2)
A single cab pickup (or VW Transporter 4motion panel Van) would count as a Dual Purpose Vehicle if it was under 2,040kg unladen. Assume the same logic applies to King Cab / Super Cab pick-ups with their extra "occasional" seats (2+2) The requirement for extra seats/windows is an "or".
Although depending on how you interpret the definition (because it says passengers with an s) you might need more than one passenger seat, so a 4wd panel Van with 3 seats in the front would be dual purpose but a pickup with only 2 seats might not.
Edited by blank on Thursday 25th April 21:37
Read all of this with interest. I've driven Transit Connect type vans for approx 20 years, currently drive a high roof, long wheelbase 2009 Transit Connect, and have either observed the higher limit, or more often exceeded it in all of that time without incurring the wrath of observing traffic officers. In the south, I've overtaken marked police cars at an indicated 85mph without them paying the slightest attention. Am I to assume that car limits apply to this van?
Heaveho said:
Read all of this with interest. I've driven Transit Connect type vans for approx 20 years, currently drive a high roof, long wheelbase 2009 Transit Connect, and have either observed the higher limit, or more often exceeded it in all of that time without incurring the wrath of observing traffic officers. In the south, I've overtaken marked police cars at an indicated 85mph without them paying the slightest attention. Am I to assume that car limits apply to this van?
Can't see anything that would get you the lower limits so think you've just been lucky.There might be be some argument for it being "car derived" but if the laden weight is over 2 tonnes that would be out the window anyway.
blank said:
Can't see anything that would get you the lower limits so think you've just been lucky.
There might be be some argument for it being "car derived" but if the laden weight is over 2 tonnes that would be out the window anyway.
Ok, thanks. So much conflicting info, even in this thread. As you say, if the Connect ( and comparable vans ) are subject to the lower limit, I have indeed been lucky, since 2001 in fact!There might be be some argument for it being "car derived" but if the laden weight is over 2 tonnes that would be out the window anyway.
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