David Edgar Forcibly Arrested!
Discussion
havoc said:
Ist exactly what the Stasis did... 
Worryingly accurate - police openly breaking into someone's house like that can only be an act of a police state.
Have a look at Section 17 PACE 1984!
You may understand then that Police do not just break peoples doors down to nick them for some trumped up charge
www.notsoaccurate.com said:
Having formally complained to The Chief Constable of West Midlands Police Mr. Edgar was then ignored therefore he made a formal complaint to the Independent Police Complaints Commission, this was also ignored therefore Mr. Edgar then attempted to commence legal proceedings against the police but was refused by the Courts.
Either this is one heck of a big conspiracy, or the case isn't quite as obvious as notsoaccurate seem to be implying.
PetrolTed said:
Sorry madcop, I appreciate the need to look at both sides of the story, but using force over an issue like this seems unnecessary. If they were 'helping' him then I'd have expected Paramedics to be in attendance too.
I understand there are a lot of feelings over issues like this but
1. Police are often called to check the welfare of people who may be vulnerable. This may requirer entry under Section 17 (by force if there is a genuine concern). Police do not call an ambulance until they have gained entry and established the facts about the person who may or may not be inside (some go on holiday without telling anyone
) Police are trained in first aid to a high degree (recommendations of the Lawernce enquiry!) Ambulances are thin on the ground. They do not accompany Police to enquiries unless there is positive information about injured people at that specific incident.
2. This person may have committed a criminal offence unrelated to any driving issue. We are not party to that information!
3. This person may not even have been arrested!
4. People are too willing ot jump to conclusions without knowing the full facts. Nowhere more than this forum!
gone said:
Weell,
The Nazi's were socialists too
Really?
I think you need to do some historical research. They were most definately not socialists
gone - please be careful before you post! Comments like that where you clearly don't know what you're saying can only undermine the confidence of others in the accuracy of your other statements, where (i'd hope) you are more informed and accurate.
If you study the period (as I did for 2 years "properly" at A-level, plus several others as an interested individual), you will realise that they had a number of socialist policies, called themselves the "National Socialist German Workers' Party", and were in fact far more socialist than our current Labour Government.
Many of their ideas were left-wing - state-employed labour gangs to utilise the unemployed, massive state-sponsored engineering schemes (Autobahns being a very obvious one!), nationalisation of key industry (pre-war!), re-allocation of wealth, etc.
(All of this sounds more like our own Socialist Worker party than anyone else, to be honest with you!!!)
The fact that they are portrayed as ultra right-wing is an unfortunate side-effect of the prevalent 1-dimensional (left vs right) thinking about politics, which is so very clearly multi-faceted.
gone said:
[quote=JumJum]Weell,
The Nazi's were socialists too
Really
? I think you need to do some historical research. They were most definately not socialists
quote]
Sorry Gone, wrong again. They most certainly were. Suggest you check things out before spouting off as displaying a lack of education does your credibility no good.
Regret to inform you that gone has already lost all credibility. I can understand his annoyance at people jumping to conclusions, but then in the same breath he jumps to his own conclusions without proper judgement and abuses people in a manner unsurprisingly consistent with the (hopefully) minority of police officers we hear about on here.
Please Gentlemen less of this hysterical conjecture until such time as the TRUE FACTS ARE KNOW when at such time if the crap is to be flung, fling away.
In these days of compensation culture then whilst in my day there may have been iffy entrances (Regan and Brodie style) generally with good grounds then I can assure you ( I have daughter serving) virtually everything is done by the book and backed up after risk assessment etc by warrants or authority from an Act of Parliament.
Stop jumping the gun and read what Gone says. At least he seems to have his head screwed on.
DVD
>> Edited by Dwight VanDriver on Tuesday 24th May 14:43
In these days of compensation culture then whilst in my day there may have been iffy entrances (Regan and Brodie style) generally with good grounds then I can assure you ( I have daughter serving) virtually everything is done by the book and backed up after risk assessment etc by warrants or authority from an Act of Parliament.
Stop jumping the gun and read what Gone says. At least he seems to have his head screwed on.
DVD
>> Edited by Dwight VanDriver on Tuesday 24th May 14:43
s2art said:
[quote=JumJum]Weell,
The Nazi's were socialists too
Really
I think you need to do some historical research. They were most definately not socialists
quote]
Sorry Gone, wrong again. They most certainly were. Suggest you check things out before spouting off as displaying a lack of education does your credibility no good.
Just to add, not only were the Nazis socialist, but Hitler and some senior party leaders were strongly for animal rights. And many of the senior Nazis were vegetarian.
Anybody see a pattern here?
stackmonkey said:
Hmmm, i've not read page one of this thread as co. pc censors it.
Hitler etc may well offically have been in favour of animal rights but humans are animals too and his record on human rights speaks for itself.
The point is those who want to treat animals as humans tend to treat humans like animals.
Dwight VanDriver said:
Please Gentlemen less of this hysterical conjecture until such time as the TRUE FACTS ARE KNOW when at such time if the crap is to be flung, fling away.
Will the true facts bee known if in fact our "hysterical conjecture" is well founded?
I expect that if David Edgar is telling the truth about going to police complaints etc with no joy, then they are trying to sweep it under the rug.
In which case how would us mere mortals ever find out the TRUE FACTS?
Catch 22 situation really... but you have to speculate, if we sit back and assume it's all a misunderstanding and it really isn't, then a poor old ill man has been abused by the people meant to protect him!
Dave
something just doesn't add up here... 
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