Worth reporting this 'driver'?

[Engelberger]

VeeFource said:

It's impossible to hog the outside lane unless it is clear in front of you because you don't have the option to overtake on the right, so you're effectively stuck which is why it then becomes a queue of traffic.

I really don't understand how you can fail to grasp this simple concept.

Edited by VeeFource on Saturday 20th July 13:18

Please get off the road. You aren't bright enough to be in control of 1.5 tonne vehicle.

[Monkeylegend]

VeeFource said:

If there was then I could understand why he'd have been miffed and I wouldn't have bothered posting. I didn't need to prove I'm in the right to people that never even knew the event ever took place and then only had half the information. It makes no sense for me to have to prove anything.

As others have said, it's not worth the grief from illogical posters.

Ironically those same people who you were willing to discuss this with until many didn't say what you wanted them to say so you called them keyboard warriors and illogical posters

Followed by the predictable flounce then return to carry on the argument to prove yourself right.

Its a general pattern for these types of threads on here.

[citizensm1th]

VeeFource said:

ghost83 said:

Was you overtaking anything in the middle lane?

No

It was obviously clear for the van driver to undertake you! This means you were hogging the lane! You and anyone else ahead in this queue are hogging a lane I’m afraid

This makes zero sense. Hogging the lane for who; the people behind me? By your logic they're also hogging the lane.

It's impossible to hog the outside lane unless it is clear in front of you because you don't have the option to overtake on the right, so you're effectively stuck which is why it then effectively becomes a queue of traffic.

I really don't understand how you can fail to grasp this simple concept.

the golden rule on the motorway is keep left, the op was not overtaking as is shown by the van undertaking him. the op needs to re read his highway code and keep left and to be less of a twunt about it.

[Funky Squirrel]

Personally I like having a large van like that storming along the outside land Infront of me, helps clear a space for me to follow.

[markjmd]

citizensm1th said:

VeeFource said:

ghost83 said:

Was you overtaking anything in the middle lane?

No

It was obviously clear for the van driver to undertake you! This means you were hogging the lane! You and anyone else ahead in this queue are hogging a lane I’m afraid

This makes zero sense. Hogging the lane for who; the people behind me? By your logic they're also hogging the lane.

It's impossible to hog the outside lane unless it is clear in front of you because you don't have the option to overtake on the right, so you're effectively stuck which is why it then effectively becomes a queue of traffic.

I really don't understand how you can fail to grasp this simple concept.

the golden rule on the motorway is keep left, the op was not overtaking as is shown by the van undertaking him. the op needs to re read his highway code and keep left and to be less of a twunt about it.

Right, and in that case what should the van driver do? Hand himself in to the kn0b police for being a world-class throbber, or just quietly put himself out of his misery in a dark hole somewhere?

[citizensm1th]

markjmd said:

citizensm1th said:

VeeFource said:

ghost83 said:

Was you overtaking anything in the middle lane?

No

It was obviously clear for the van driver to undertake you! This means you were hogging the lane! You and anyone else ahead in this queue are hogging a lane I’m afraid

This makes zero sense. Hogging the lane for who; the people behind me? By your logic they're also hogging the lane.

It's impossible to hog the outside lane unless it is clear in front of you because you don't have the option to overtake on the right, so you're effectively stuck which is why it then effectively becomes a queue of traffic.

I really don't understand how you can fail to grasp this simple concept.

the golden rule on the motorway is keep left, the op was not overtaking as is shown by the van undertaking him. the op needs to re read his highway code and keep left and to be less of a twunt about it.

Right, and in that case what should the van driver do? Hand himself in to the kn0b police for being a world-class throbber, or just quietly put himself out of his misery in a dark hole somewhere?

As long as the van driver was not speeding he was well within his rights to undertake

if as the op has stated he was sat at 60 in lane 3 traffic in the other lanes can undertake him if they can safely go faster than a lane hogger in lane 3

[Aphex]

[VeeFource]

Engelberger said:

Please get off the road. You aren't bright enough to be in control of 1.5 tonne vehicle.

Are you saying it's ok to undertake? If not then please explain how the vehicle behind me is any different to me being behind the guy in front when we both want to be travelling faster?

citizensm1th said:

the golden rule on the motorway is keep left, the op was not overtaking as is shown by the van undertaking him. the op needs to re read his highway code and keep left and to be less of a twunt about it.

Are you for real? I wanted to overtake but couldn't as there were no more lanes. It deosn't mean I should move into the middle lane to let the miles of cars behind pass me or undertake everyone in front like the idiot in the van.

[Red Devil]

Lindun said:

Your comparison to a supermarket queue is poor, there is no requirement to keep left, or follow a code, other than don’t queue jump into an existing one. I wonder what you’d do if your queue moved slower than the one next to it and someone got served before you though.

Ah, the incomparable Dave Allen - https://youtu.be/iYt9eow1ZyQ?t=334

Flumpo said:

Uh oh. I should have quit while you had the benefit of the doubt...

In his initial post the OP mentioned he was being tailgated for a while. I've experienced this treatment from 'white van man' many times.
If there is room to safely move into lane 2 on a motorway and let them past to harass someone else I'll do so every time.

The second still frame clearly shows that the OP could have done likewise.
However, the fact that he chose not to doesn't excuse the other driver's unsafe cutting in.
If the latter does that on a regular basis, one day he may well be the cause of a motorway being closed for hours.

[markjmd]

citizensm1th said:

markjmd said:

citizensm1th said:

VeeFource said:

ghost83 said:

Was you overtaking anything in the middle lane?

No

It was obviously clear for the van driver to undertake you! This means you were hogging the lane! You and anyone else ahead in this queue are hogging a lane I’m afraid

This makes zero sense. Hogging the lane for who; the people behind me? By your logic they're also hogging the lane.

It's impossible to hog the outside lane unless it is clear in front of you because you don't have the option to overtake on the right, so you're effectively stuck which is why it then effectively becomes a queue of traffic.

I really don't understand how you can fail to grasp this simple concept.

the golden rule on the motorway is keep left, the op was not overtaking as is shown by the van undertaking him. the op needs to re read his highway code and keep left and to be less of a twunt about it.

Right, and in that case what should the van driver do? Hand himself in to the kn0b police for being a world-class throbber, or just quietly put himself out of his misery in a dark hole somewhere?

As long as the van driver was not speeding he was well within his rights to undertake

if as the op has stated he was sat at 60 in lane 3 traffic in the other lanes can undertake him if they can safely go faster than a lane hogger in lane 3

Undertaking is one thing, cutting in front of somebody at 60mph leaving less than a vehicle's distance between you is another entirely.
So back to my original question, kn0b police, or dark hole?

[citizensm1th]

VeeFource said:

Are you for real? I wanted to overtake but couldn't as there were no more lanes. It deosn't mean I should move into the middle lane to let the miles of cars behind pass me or undertake everyone in front like the idiot in the van.

this says it all about your attitude.

you wanted to overtake yet by your own admission there was no safe way of doing so, yet you have two lanes on the inside of you with loads of free space, you could have moved into and possibly made progress in while freeing up road space yourself.

But no you want to stay in lane 3 because your trip is more important than anyone else's

by staying in lane 3 you and the sheeple like you clog that lane up while other lanes have space in them and no one gets anywhere any faster if anything it is drivers like you who end up slowing everybody down.

you know those matrix signs that say keep left they are directly targeted at people like you.

your display of self entitlement is blindingly obvious

[Graveworm]

citizensm1th said:

As long as the van driver was not speeding he was well within his rights to undertake

if as the op has stated he was sat at 60 in lane 3 traffic in the other lanes can undertake him if they can safely go faster than a lane hogger in lane 3

From ask the Police:
... if a driver undertook another vehicle, other than in the circumstances described above e.g. in the case of someone hogging lane 2 on a motorway, they may be prosecuted for careless driving.
RAC
Some drivers may find it tempting to undertake, especially if they’re faced with a middle-lane hogger, but be aware that it can be dangerous and you can be fined for doing so.
CPS
There are decided cases that provide some guidance as to the driving that courts will regard as careless or inconsiderate and the following examples are typical of what we are likely to regard as careless driving:..

overtaking on the inside;

As for reporting I wouldn't but from the Dash cam upload article.
However, we know from our research that law-abiding drivers are becoming increasingly fed up with the illegal actions of a minority that get away with tailgating, undertaking, and using handheld mobile phones when driving

Edited by Graveworm on Saturday 20th July 14:05

[markjmd]

citizensm1th said:

VeeFource said:

Are you for real? I wanted to overtake but couldn't as there were no more lanes. It deosn't mean I should move into the middle lane to let the miles of cars behind pass me or undertake everyone in front like the idiot in the van.

this says it all about your attitude.

you wanted to overtake yet by your own admission there was no safe way of doing so, yet you have two lanes on the inside of you with loads of free space, you could have moved into and possibly made progress in while freeing up road space yourself.

But no you want to stay in lane 3 because your trip is more important than anyone else's

by staying in lane 3 you and the sheeple like you clog that lane up while other lanes have space in them and no one gets anywhere any faster if anything it is drivers like you who end up slowing everybody down.

you know those matrix signs that say keep left they are directly targeted at people like you.

your display of self entitlement is blindingly obvious

Right, but executing a manoeuvre which is marginally legal at the best of times in a manner which clearly falls below the standard of reasonable and competent driver isn't an even more egregious display of self-entitlement? Please explain.

[citizensm1th]

Graveworm said:

citizensm1th said:

As long as the van driver was not speeding he was well within his rights to undertake

if as the op has stated he was sat at 60 in lane 3 traffic in the other lanes can undertake him if they can safely go faster than a lane hogger in lane 3

From ask the Police:
... if a driver undertook another vehicle, other than in the circumstances described above e.g. in the case of someone hogging lane 2 on a motorway, they may be prosecuted for careless driving.

appropriately titled learn to drive a car

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/motor...

[anonymous-user]

So yes, it appeared perfectly legal to undertake you in the situation you described, since the outside lane was travelling at 60mph and the middle lane was clear.

Cutting in front of you, however, isn’t.

Did you speed up as he undertook?

[Graveworm]

citizensm1th said:

appropriately titled learn to drive a car

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/motor...

Yes that says :
Do not move to a lane to the left to overtake - Van did that:
Along with you can only pass in congested conditions to keep up with traffic in left-hand lanes. Nearside traffic was travelling more slowly, van was travelling faster than the prevailing traffic. So not in any way "Keeping up" nor in keeping with the highway code by any reading of it.
I have added the CPS view and The RAC.

Edited by Graveworm on Saturday 20th July 14:35

[anonymous-user]

I think OP should report it to the authorities and let us know how that pans out.

[VeeFource]

citizensm1th said:

this says it all about your attitude.

you wanted to overtake yet by your own admission there was no safe way of doing so, yet you have two lanes on the inside of you with loads of free space, you could have moved into and possibly made progress in while freeing up road space yourself.

But no you want to stay in lane 3 because your trip is more important than anyone else's

by staying in lane 3 you and the sheeple like you clog that lane up while other lanes have space in them and no one gets anywhere any faster if anything it is drivers like you who end up slowing everybody down.

you know those matrix signs that say keep left they are directly targeted at people like you.

your display of self entitlement is blindingly obvious

Wow, you really think that makes sense don't you

Even if you ignore the fact that moving into lane 2 to make better progress is undertaking, do you think the van driver chose to cut back into lane 3 if being in lane 2 was any better?

I want to be in lane 3 because my trip is AS important as anyone else queuing to go faster. But the person in front has got there before me and has a right to be in that position just as I have a right to be in my position with respect to the van driver behind.

Actually those keep left matrix signs mean to keep left unless overtaking. The part you don't seem to understand is just because someone wasn't physically present to the immediate left of me doesn't mean I'm not overtaking. I am queued up to overtake whatever is causing everyone to be in lane 3 in the first place.

Why has the van driver got more of a right to get past everyone than I have or the vehicles in front of me? He hasn't which means I shouldn't have to move over to let him past. He should have just been patient like the rest of us.

[FWIW]

VeeFource said:

Wow, you really think that makes sense don't you

Even if you ignore the fact that moving into lane 2 to make better progress is undertaking, do you think the van driver chose to cut back into lane 3 if being in lane 2 was any better?

I want to be in lane 3 because my trip is AS important as anyone else queuing to go faster. But the person in front has got there before me and has a right to be in that position just as I have a right to be in my position with respect to the van driver behind.

Actually those keep left matrix signs mean to keep left unless overtaking. The part you don't seem to understand is just because someone wasn't physically present to the immediate left of me doesn't mean I'm not overtaking. I am queued up to overtake whatever is causing everyone to be in lane 3 in the first place.

Why has the van driver got more of a right to get past everyone than I have or the vehicles in front of me? He hasn't which means I shouldn't have to move over to let him past. He should have just been patient like the rest of us.

What the above tells us is that you are one of those (many) people who will sit in the outside lane as long as there is someone in front for you to queue behind, regardless of space in the other lanes. You won’t pull over for fear of losing ‘your’ place in the ‘queue’.

I’d put money on you trying to close the gap on WVM in an attempt to stop him ‘queue jumping’, thereby causing a near miss; that’s why you won’t post the video.

Edited by FWIW on Saturday 20th July 14:30

[VeeFource]

FWIW said:

What the above tells us is that you are one of those (many) people who will sit in the outside lane as long as there is someone in front for you to queue behind, regardless of space in the other lanes. You won’t pull over for fear of losing ‘your’ place in the ‘queue’.

I’d put money on you trying to close the gap on WVM in an attempt to stop him ‘queue jumping’, thereby causing a near miss; that’s why you won’t post the video.

Edited by FWIW on Saturday 20th July 14:30

Yeah you got me. I queue up just like all those other dastardly patient people instead of discerningly weaving through gaps across all lanes. What a hero you are..