Old people with speed guns
Discussion
yonex said:
Untrained, grumpy old people taking matters into their own hands. Not really, no.
No they’re not. That’s your ignorance talking again. They don’t take enforcement into their own hands - they report it through to the police so:a) the police get statistics for free to give them an idea of whether speeds are really an issue.
b) the police get to find out for free which drivers have poor enough observation to manage to exceed the speed limit through a residential area with clearly signed active speed monitoring.
Can you come up with a better solution that’s as cost effective, or you just going to carry on sniping?
MrTrilby said:
No they’re not. That’s your ignorance talking again. They don’t take enforcement into their own hands - they report it through to the police so:
a) the police get statistics for free to give them an idea of whether speeds are really an issue.
b) the police get to find out for free which drivers have poor enough observation to manage to exceed the speed limit through a residential area with clearly signed active speed monitoring.
Can you come up with a better solution that’s as cost effective, or you just going to carry on sniping?
Ok, 'barely' trained, and inexperienced members of the general public mixed up with Police 'reporting'.a) the police get statistics for free to give them an idea of whether speeds are really an issue.
b) the police get to find out for free which drivers have poor enough observation to manage to exceed the speed limit through a residential area with clearly signed active speed monitoring.
Can you come up with a better solution that’s as cost effective, or you just going to carry on sniping?
Yes. More Police on the front line, more Police on the streets, better, and mandatory education for drivers.
yonex said:
Ok, 'barely' trained, and inexperienced members of the general public mixed up with Police 'reporting'.
Yes. More Police on the front line, more Police on the streets, better, and mandatory education for drivers.
More police and better education would be fantastic, but I’m not sure you’ve really understood the issue of cost. Yes. More Police on the front line, more Police on the streets, better, and mandatory education for drivers.
Johnnytheboy said:
KM said:
I don’t agree with vigilante speed cameras however because police should be left to their job.
On that then we agree 100%. I think you'll find most people on Pistonheads would happily see more traffic police on the roads.
Riley Blue said:
Johnnytheboy said:
KM said:
I don’t agree with vigilante speed cameras however because police should be left to their job.
On that then we agree 100%. I think you'll find most people on Pistonheads would happily see more traffic police on the roads.
yonex said:
MrTrilby said:
So is that a no, you can’t think of a cost effective alternative to speed watch that might actually happen?
Do you often choose an ineffective solution to a problem when the actual solution is identified? SW is just a social club, it’s not effective. Johnnytheboy said:
On that then we agree 100%.
I think you'll find most people on Pistonheads would happily see more traffic police on the roads.
I doubt it very much.I think you'll find most people on Pistonheads would happily see more traffic police on the roads.
It's the Police that review dashcam footage and decide whether or not to prosecute. That doesn't stop a lot of people hating DCWs.
A lot of people simply don't want any enforcement and especially not enforcement that applies to them.
yonex said:
MrTrilby said:
So is that a no, you can’t think of a cost effective alternative to speed watch that might actually happen?
Do you often choose an ineffective solution to a problem when the actual solution is identified? SW is just a social club, it’s not effective. Countdown said:
I doubt it very much.
It's the Police that review dashcam footage and decide whether or not to prosecute. That doesn't stop a lot of people hating DCWs.
A lot of people simply don't want any enforcement and especially not enforcement that applies to them.
Because it's the same slightly insidious mentality. Members of the public playing Police officers. Probably the same individuals who bore everyone to death telling them that 'speeding' is dangerous, or that woudl report a car for having no tax, busybodies, lack of things to do. I do wonder why any of these people are actually involved with a motoring website, primarily one which (used to be) about sharing the enjoyment of driving? Still, modern society views performance cars as a menace, actually admitting you own one risks outing you as some reckless rebel who hasn't quite grown up, so this forum is only a reflection that genuine entusiasts are in the minority these days.It's the Police that review dashcam footage and decide whether or not to prosecute. That doesn't stop a lot of people hating DCWs.
A lot of people simply don't want any enforcement and especially not enforcement that applies to them.
I am tired of the holier than thou types on here who just moan about others, it's got sod all to do with them, but they cannot help but lecture all and everyone with their immaculate driving standards.
yonex said:
I am tired of the holier than thou types on here who just moan about others, it's got sod all to do with them, but they cannot help but lecture all and everyone with their immaculate driving standards.
I think they should have their posting rights restricted to SP&L only (and perhaps the football and watch forums, because I don't care), then at least they'd be easy to avoid. m_cozzy said:
Wish there were some on my road pointing speedguns at the rectums who think they are exempt from the limit outside my house
National speed limit is fair game, so are ex national speed limits pointlessly reduced to 50, but dont be a cock in a built up area. How hard can it be?
Just make the SAC mandatory, every 24 months. Charge £100 for it, no attendance, licence is suspended. Should bring in enough money with 19.4 million licences eh?National speed limit is fair game, so are ex national speed limits pointlessly reduced to 50, but dont be a cock in a built up area. How hard can it be?
m_cozzy said:
Wish there were some on my road pointing speedguns at the rectums who think they are exempt from the limit outside my house
National speed limit is fair game, so are ex national speed limits pointlessly reduced to 50, but dont be a cock in a built up area. How hard can it be?
What about people that live by a NSL road, don't they count? National speed limit is fair game, so are ex national speed limits pointlessly reduced to 50, but dont be a cock in a built up area. How hard can it be?
yonex said:
Because it's the same slightly insidious mentality. Members of the public playing Police officers. Probably the same individuals who bore everyone to death telling them that 'speeding' is dangerous, or that woudl report a car for having no tax, busybodies, lack of things to do. I do wonder why any of these people are actually involved with a motoring website, primarily one which (used to be) about sharing the enjoyment of driving? Still, modern society views performance cars as a menace, actually admitting you own one risks outing you as some reckless rebel who hasn't quite grown up, so this forum is only a reflection that genuine entusiasts are in the minority these days.
I am tired of the holier than thou types on here who just moan about others, it's got sod all to do with them, but they cannot help but lecture all and everyone with their immaculate driving standards.
If we're going to use that argument, why should members of the public report crime at all? I am tired of the holier than thou types on here who just moan about others, it's got sod all to do with them, but they cannot help but lecture all and everyone with their immaculate driving standards.
yonex said:
I do wonder why any of these people are actually involved with a motoring website, primarily one which (used to be) about sharing the enjoyment of driving?
Because "enjoyment of driving" doesn't mean "driving however i want to and sod everybody else".I enjoy driving as much as anybody else on here but if there's a suggestion that my driving might be pissing somebody else off there's no harm in stepping back and thinking about what I'm doing.
You said yourself that you don't speed in urban areas. Me neither, which is why I don't care about CSW. In the same vein I don't care about people with dashcams or people with POLITE vests or Highways Agency, or any other would-be (or actual) Police.
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