Old people with speed guns

Old people with speed guns

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Bobtherallyfan

205 posts

23 months

Sunday 25th August
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Digby said:
They rarely venture out in the Winter, or when it's raining, so you are safe, then. In fact, it's on record that at least one of them didn't even know which way to point the gun they were holding. Been moaned at a few times by these types and have been under the limit every time. I can't wait to sign up when my life is almost over.
How exactly have you been moaned at by Speedwatch volunteers assuming you were travelling past them at 30mph...do you lip read?

We go out in all weathers, wet, cold, wind and sun and given the whole point is to keep people to the limit we are hardly going to moan when they do exactly that. Still it’s much easier to criticise volunteers so that you can sound ‘cool’.

Johnnytheboy

18,316 posts

131 months

Sunday 25th August
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Bobtherallyfan said:
How exactly have you been moaned at by Speedwatch volunteers assuming you were travelling past them at 30mph...do you lip read?

We go out in all weathers, wet, cold, wind and sun and given the whole point is to keep people to the limit we are hardly going to moan when they do exactly that. Still it’s much easier to criticise volunteers so that you can sound ‘cool’.
At least we can take some satisfaction from you getting cold and wet in your mistaken pursuit of vengeance.

Digby

6,978 posts

191 months

Sunday 25th August
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Bobtherallyfan said:
How exactly have you been moaned at by Speedwatch volunteers assuming you were travelling past them at 30mph...do you lip read?

We go out in all weathers, wet, cold, wind and sun and given the whole point is to keep people to the limit we are hardly going to moan when they do exactly that. Still it’s much easier to criticise volunteers so that you can sound ‘cool’.
Waving their arms at the side of the road with 'slow down' gestures. One even stepped into the road to make their point over in Essex.

Must have just been lucky re: the weather. Never seen any other than on warm, dry days.

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I forgot the most important example! (I'm sure I posted about it on here so may have to hunt for the specifics)

I received a letter at work suggesting I was traveling at something like 34 or 35 in a 30 zone by CSWs. Unhappy with this because 1) I had seen them and 2) I was in a huge truck trying to climb a large hill, I denied it and asked them to check their tracker system for that date and tacho data. Surprise, surprise, I was under 30 mph.

Is that "cool" enough for you?


Also, for the record, the Essex incident happened in a 30 zone when I was travelling at 20 (all data to prove this was available at the time).


More edits...

I found the info on here...

"Just had a letter sent to work, signed by some police officer suggesting I was caught at 37 mph in a 30 zone and that I am now on their system and if caught again I could be fined"

The actual speed was 28 mph.

Someone who runs / ran a CSW group said it could have been down to training or doppler shift picking up a faster vehicle behind (highly unlikely) and also that their equipment wasn't calibrated to the levels of equipment the police use.

I also forgot to add that this was the second time my company was contacted and both times the CSWs were wrong. I also had a group say they would call my company to complain when I declared I had evidence I could show them that I was not speeding. It became clear to me very early on that many of them just hated vehicles. In fact, I remember a certain group being disbanded by the police due to "suspect figures" iirc.

Bobtherallyfan said:
given the whole point is to keep people to the limit we are hardly going to moan when they do exactly that.
Feel free to reply whenever you wish and explain to me why I should feel fortunate that these groups exist. Should be interesting.






Edited by Digby on Sunday 25th August 22:59

jeffreywoodham

80 posts

38 months

Sunday 25th August
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Johnnytheboy said:
At least we can take some satisfaction from you getting cold and wet in your mistaken pursuit of vengeance.
Vengeance? What a little charmer you are.

Johnnytheboy

18,316 posts

131 months

Sunday 25th August
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I'm not trying to get vengeance on anyone.

jeffreywoodham

80 posts

38 months

Sunday 25th August
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Johnnytheboy said:
I'm not trying to get vengeance on anyone.
I wasn’t suggesting you are. I was just questioning why you think these people do this because they want vengeance, which is a very strong term. Vengeance for what and on whom?

Digby

6,978 posts

191 months

Sunday 25th August
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Red 4 said:
Their actions will have zero impact on you - other than potentially receiving a letter from the police advising you about your speed - so why are you getting all hot and bothered about the issue ?
For myself, that would be having to have three meetings at work with an area manager and emails from head office etc and then having to prove I was innocent because the speed watchers (who managed to hold their guns the correct way round on these occasions) sent my information to the police despite being completely wrong. Knowing you are logged on a system, having to explain yourself to said managers etc and being told by the police they are now looking out for you and you will be fined next time is a bit.....well, crap when you haven't done a single thing wrong, no?

rscott

9,203 posts

136 months

Monday 26th August
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Digby said:
Red 4 said:
Their actions will have zero impact on you - other than potentially receiving a letter from the police advising you about your speed - so why are you getting all hot and bothered about the issue ?
For myself, that would be having to have three meetings at work with an area manager and emails from head office etc and then having to prove I was innocent because the speed watchers (who managed to hold their guns the correct way round on these occasions) sent my information to the police despite being completely wrong. Knowing you are logged on a system, having to explain yourself to said managers etc and being told by the police they are now looking out for you and you will be fined next time is a bit.....well, crap when you haven't done a single thing wrong, no?
Strange - Essex police train all the volunteers themselves (including showing them which way to hold the gun) and won't authorise anyone who doesn't meet their tests.

There are also clear rules which forbid CSW volunteers signalling to drivers at all, so if one did gesture to you to slow down, then log a formal complaint with the police about it.

spaximus

3,587 posts

198 months

Monday 26th August
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I was unaware of the Serps group and the powers they have been issued with. To my mind fair enough give them an old camera and let them get letters sent to people a bit over the limit, but to accredit them is asking for trouble.

Police should do the policing not some group of people who have found a bandwagon of like minded people to jump on. We all know there are so many ways a camera can give false readings if used by those not keeping to standard.

Our local group jump around like Dirty Harry waving the gun and yes I have had the numpties waving at me to slow down. I stopped once and asked them why they were waving, "it sounded like you were going too fast" they confirmed I wasn't but I should still slow down WTF as it sounded too fast.

And that is why they should have no place in criminal prosecutions at all as they are only interested in their area and have an agenda. There are much more deserving ways to spend their twilight years than stood at the side of the road playing policeman.

nonsequitur

9,898 posts

61 months

Monday 26th August
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yonex said:
Any of you sad fkers out over the Bank Holiday keeping us all safe?
No. Int' garden preparing a BBQ.burgerparty

g3org3y

13,885 posts

136 months

Monday 26th August
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Digby said:
I forgot the most important example! (I'm sure I posted about it on here so may have to hunt for the specifics)

I received a letter at work suggesting I was traveling at something like 34 or 35 in a 30 zone by CSWs. Unhappy with this because 1) I had seen them and 2) I was in a huge truck trying to climb a large hill, I denied it and asked them to check their tracker system for that date and tacho data. Surprise, surprise, I was under 30 mph.

Is that "cool" enough for you?


Also, for the record, the Essex incident happened in a 30 zone when I was travelling at 20 (all data to prove this was available at the time).
I mentioned earlier in the thread that I got a letter for 39 in a 30 when I'm very certain, no way over 30 (spotted them a while away).

Old woman clearly didn't like the scowl I gave her as I drove past.

To falsify evidence is very naughty indeed.

bigdog3

1,812 posts

125 months

Monday 26th August
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Spot the do-gooding old farts in the distance, reduce your speed rapidly, go past at no more than 15mph grinning manically, get your passenger to press their nose against the side window whilst licking the glass. Usually has the desired effect yikes

nonsequitur

9,898 posts

61 months

Monday 26th August
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bigdog3 said:
Spot the do-gooding old farts in the distance, reduce your speed rapidly, go past at no more than 15mph grinning manically, get your passenger to press their nose against the side window whilst licking the glass. Usually has the desired effect yikes
A life in the day of bigdog.

jeffreywoodham

80 posts

38 months

Monday 26th August
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bigdog3 said:
Spot the do-gooding old farts in the distance, reduce your speed rapidly, go past at no more than 15mph grinning manically, get your passenger to press their nose against the side window whilst licking the glass. Usually has the desired effect yikes
How old are you?

stuartmmcfc

6,929 posts

137 months

Monday 26th August
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jeffreywoodham said:
bigdog3 said:
Spot the do-gooding old farts in the distance, reduce your speed rapidly, go past at no more than 15mph grinning manically, get your passenger to press their nose against the side window whilst licking the glass. Usually has the desired effect yikes
How old are you?
How disgusting are the windows of your car
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Countdown

24,343 posts

141 months

Monday 26th August
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g3org3y said:
I mentioned earlier in the thread that I got a letter for 39 in a 30 when I'm very certain, no way over 30 (spotted them a while away).

Old woman clearly didn't like the scowl I gave her as I drove past.

To falsify evidence is very naughty indeed.
You should have written back to the Police and told them as such.

g3org3y

13,885 posts

136 months

Monday 26th August
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Countdown said:
g3org3y said:
I mentioned earlier in the thread that I got a letter for 39 in a 30 when I'm very certain, no way over 30 (spotted them a while away).

Old woman clearly didn't like the scowl I gave her as I drove past.

To falsify evidence is very naughty indeed.
You should have written back to the Police and told them as such.
It wasn't an SAC or points situation, just a 'warning' letter saying the community speedwatch people caught me and that I should be more careful in the future because children/road deaths etc. Consequently couldn't be arsed. Thought I'd just grumble about it to my wife and to strangers on the internet.

Countdown

24,343 posts

141 months

Monday 26th August
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g3org3y said:
It wasn't an SAC or points situation, just a 'warning' letter saying the community speedwatch people caught me and that I should be more careful in the future because children/road deaths etc. Consequently couldn't be arsed. Thought I'd just grumble about it to my wife and to strangers on the internet.
The things is, the Police have your name on a database somewhere as somebody who speeds through built-up areas. I wouldn't be happy with it if it wasn't true. It also suggests that the people who were reporting stuff to the Police were less than honest. What's to say they don't tell the Police that somebody was doing 99mph and nearly ran over a kittien?

If they're in the habit of regularly lying then the Police would want to know about it.

g3org3y

13,885 posts

136 months

Monday 26th August
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Countdown said:
g3org3y said:
It wasn't an SAC or points situation, just a 'warning' letter saying the community speedwatch people caught me and that I should be more careful in the future because children/road deaths etc. Consequently couldn't be arsed. Thought I'd just grumble about it to my wife and to strangers on the internet.
The things is, the Police have your name on a database somewhere as somebody who speeds through built-up areas. I wouldn't be happy with it if it wasn't true. It also suggests that the people who were reporting stuff to the Police were less than honest. What's to say they don't tell the Police that somebody was doing 99mph and nearly ran over a kittien?

If they're in the habit of regularly lying then the Police would want to know about it.
That's a fair point and I have no doubt in my mind they were trying to 'teach me a lesson' because of my tatty loud BMW and the scowl. I spotted them from quite a way off (group in high viz standing in an unusual situation) and was v careful as I approached. Unfortunately, I don't have much in the way of actual evidence for my side of the story. I'll see if I can dig out the letter (probably in a pile of crap somewhere).


Glasgowrob

2,423 posts

66 months

Monday 26th August
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if you really hate them, drop a couple of gears and bounce passed them on the limiter in first smile