Mis-spaces plate
Discussion
xjay1337 said:
I know I said I wouldn't post any more, but I feel the need to here :
If you actually READ what I said, I didn't say it's acceptable, I said clearly and specifically to not take the moral high ground, which av is taking great pleasure in trying to do. Speeding is equally as illegal, and more dangerous, can av say he never knowingly exceeds the speed limit?
With respect you really are clutching at straws if you seriously think that my owning a selection of rapid cars with the potential to break the speed limit (I.e the same as most cars) is the same as the illegalities involved in someone who purposely goes out of their way to have illegal plates made up then illegally displays them on their vehicle.If you actually READ what I said, I didn't say it's acceptable, I said clearly and specifically to not take the moral high ground, which av is taking great pleasure in trying to do. Speeding is equally as illegal, and more dangerous, can av say he never knowingly exceeds the speed limit?
By your reasoning the driver of any car with the potential to exceed the posted limit of say 20mph (I.e. all cars) would be guilty of an offence which is clearly absolute b
ks.No, I'm saying that I would bet money on you exceeding the speed limits on the road at least some what regularly. Whether that is blasting down a slip road, or during an overtake.
That is illegal. And dangerous (more so than a mis spaced plate for example).
FYI, I don't care that you do.
But you try to take the moral high ground on people's decisions to run illegal plates and talk down to them like they are lesser beings by saying "ILLEGAL! ILLEGAL! CHAV!!!"
I think you know full well what my point is, you are just willfully ignoring it.
That is illegal. And dangerous (more so than a mis spaced plate for example).
FYI, I don't care that you do.
But you try to take the moral high ground on people's decisions to run illegal plates and talk down to them like they are lesser beings by saying "ILLEGAL! ILLEGAL! CHAV!!!"
I think you know full well what my point is, you are just willfully ignoring it.
underwhelmist said:
Blanco92 said:
Come on OP, post it up. You seem a good sport. Have seen some ste plates before, how bad can this “crime” be?
Are you mad? Do you know what could happen if I posted a picture of my plate? Criminal masterminds would clone it and use it in their organised crime syndicate, stealing 15 year old CR-Vs to order for the insatiable middle eastern market - they like their luxury motors out there.te plates before, how bad can this “crime” be?On second thoughts, here you go. I know it's hooky and I'll take it on the chin, but I see a lot worse every day.
The floor is now open for the taste police to have a go!
xjay1337 said:
No, I'm saying that I would bet money on you exceeding the speed limits on the road at least some what regularly. Whether that is blasting down a slip road, or during an overtake.
That is illegal. And dangerous (more so than a mis spaced plate for example).
FYI, I don't care that you do.
But you try to take the moral high ground on people's decisions to run illegal plates and talk down to them like they are lesser beings by saying "ILLEGAL! ILLEGAL! CHAV!!!"
I think you know full well what my point is, you are just willfully ignoring it.
IF I was to break the speed limit (and you have no evidence whatsoever that I do and as I say I use some cars on track) I agree it would be illegal and I would suck up the consequences. That is illegal. And dangerous (more so than a mis spaced plate for example).
FYI, I don't care that you do.
But you try to take the moral high ground on people's decisions to run illegal plates and talk down to them like they are lesser beings by saying "ILLEGAL! ILLEGAL! CHAV!!!"
I think you know full well what my point is, you are just willfully ignoring it.
But that would be like me saying to you IF you were to break into a house and steal goods that would be illegal. I am sure you would agree.
You also incorrectly state that you assume exceeding the speed limit to be dangerous.
This is incorrect.
Unless you are a fully paid up member of BRAKE (or Mumsnet), especially being a PHer you should know full well that excessive speed on its own is not necessarily dangerous. What is dangerous is excessive speed in the wrong situation or in the wrong circumstances.
You are missing the point again by your conflating what you claim is the moral high ground and the illegalities of Chavplates, the latter of which are indisputably and unequivocably illegal and you have even confirmed this several times in your posts. They really are black and white in the true binary sense. And all are illegal.
As to whether these illegally mispaced bastardised and butchered trinket plates which are purely displayed for vanity and egotistical reasons by their miscreant owners flouting their f
k the law attitude are Chavvy or otherwise, several volumes and hundreds if not thousands of pages and posts by hundreds of PHers over the years on the C12APPY chavplate threads here on PH would seem to suggest Chavvy they most certainly are.
Edited by av185 on Tuesday 20th August 22:52
Chestrockwell said:
I’d delete this post before JaguarSteve catches wind of this
He can have at it now for all I care, the scales have fallen from my eyes and I have seen the light, no more shall my conveyance be besmirched by a non-compliant plate. Forgive me Pistonheads, for I have sinned...The point has been well made that there is no grey area, the plates I had on didn't comply with the regs and so I have replaced them. The short-lived amusement value I got from the plates wasn't worth the inconvenience of being pulled over, let alone the cost of a FPN.
I've had a look at the plate on my bike this evening and I *think* it's OK in terms of dimensions & letter stroke width, but it doesn't have the maker's name or the BS:AU stamp. Having said that it's a 20 odd year old bike so different regulations might apply?
It's been an interesting discussion, perhaps some posters may have been using a bit of exaggeration or hyperbole to make their points - I really don't think I suffer from all of the personality defects that have been listed by some! XJay, you seem to have copped most of the heat in this thread, meaning I didn't have to, so thanks for that!
xjay1337 said:
Mandalore said:
av185 said:
xjay1337 said:
As I said don't try and take moral high ground claiming it's "illegal" when you do other equally illegal and arguably more dangerous things .
You don't buy high performance cars to do 70 mph on the motorway, unless it's a class thing to show off , which I doubt.
I speed also, but I don't go round saying "THAT'S ILLEGAL!11!!"
Just remind me what illegal and 'more dangerous' things I do???You don't buy high performance cars to do 70 mph on the motorway, unless it's a class thing to show off , which I doubt.
I speed also, but I don't go round saying "THAT'S ILLEGAL!11!!"
Edited by xjay1337 on Tuesday 20th August 14:32
How do you even know I use my rapid cars on the road and not on the track???
Edited by Mandalore on Tuesday 20th August 18:40
If you actually READ what I said, I didn't say it's acceptable, I said clearly and specifically to not take the moral high ground, which av is taking great pleasure in trying to do. Speeding is equally as illegal, and more dangerous, can av say he never knowingly exceeds the speed limit?
The problem is that this thread (as so often on Pistonheads) has gone through the debate phase and into the slanging thinly veiled personal attacks at each other (I say at each other, only one person has really been down right rude in this thread, aside from my biggest fan earlier!)
Where as you can have a completely opposing view point but still be respectful (as Exige has been, for example).
Obviously you have plenty of nice cars, but lost your manners in the process.
Edited by xjay1337 on Tuesday 20th August 20:23
selym said:
I think the takeaway from this thread is some people use mis-spacing of characters on a reg plate for whatever reason and others get quite irate about it. What I need explained to me is if the owner is happy to get fined when caught and the police are happy to receive said fine, what effect does it have on anyone else? I don't get the angry face brigade?
For the record, I do have a personal plate on my car but it came with the car and I don't think I would buy one personally. Just in case any amateur Sherlocks pull me for it.
I can't see anyone getting "irate". Are you perhaps a bit oversensitive?For the record, I do have a personal plate on my car but it came with the car and I don't think I would buy one personally. Just in case any amateur Sherlocks pull me for it.
av185 said:
IF I was to break the speed limit (and you have no evidence whatsoever that I do and as I say I use some cars on track) I agree it would be illegal and I would suck up the consequences.
But that would be like me saying to you IF you were to break into a house and steal goods that would be illegal. I am sure you would agree.
You also incorrectly state that you assume exceeding the speed limit to be dangerous.
This is incorrect.
Unless you are a fully paid up member of BRAKE (or Mumsnet), especially being a PHer you should know full well that excessive speed on its own is not necessarily dangerous. What is dangerous is excessive speed in the wrong situation or in the wrong circumstances.
You are missing the point again by your conflating what you claim is the moral high ground and the illegalities of Chavplates, the latter of which are indisputably and unequivocably illegal and you have even confirmed this several times in your posts. They really are black and white in the true binary sense. And all are illegal.
As to whether these illegally mispaced bastardised and butchered trinket plates which are purely displayed for vanity and egotistical reasons by their miscreant owners flouting their fk the law attitude are Chavvy or otherwise, several volumes and hundreds if not thousands of pages and posts by hundreds of PHers over the years on the C12APPY chavplate threads here on PH would seem to suggest Chavvy they most certainly are.
AV you have a habit of making assumptions and asserting your opinion as if it's fact. So here's mine…But that would be like me saying to you IF you were to break into a house and steal goods that would be illegal. I am sure you would agree.
You also incorrectly state that you assume exceeding the speed limit to be dangerous.
This is incorrect.
Unless you are a fully paid up member of BRAKE (or Mumsnet), especially being a PHer you should know full well that excessive speed on its own is not necessarily dangerous. What is dangerous is excessive speed in the wrong situation or in the wrong circumstances.
You are missing the point again by your conflating what you claim is the moral high ground and the illegalities of Chavplates, the latter of which are indisputably and unequivocably illegal and you have even confirmed this several times in your posts. They really are black and white in the true binary sense. And all are illegal.
As to whether these illegally mispaced bastardised and butchered trinket plates which are purely displayed for vanity and egotistical reasons by their miscreant owners flouting their f
k the law attitude are Chavvy or otherwise, several volumes and hundreds if not thousands of pages and posts by hundreds of PHers over the years on the C12APPY chavplate threads here on PH would seem to suggest Chavvy they most certainly are.Edited by av185 on Tuesday 20th August 22:52
You've completely nullified your point about illegality now, by also suggesting that speeding is okay at times because it's not always dangerous. But its illegal, end of – going by your standards.
So with that in mind, I think this is more a class issue than anything else – which isn't uncommon on these forums. You have a very nice garage if your list of cars is true, and therefore you've done very well for yourself. But that isn't enough for people like you, you then like to look down on and condescend lower classes because it makes you feel better. Compensation for something I imagine. So yes, I would agree with you that lower classes, who don't have £1000's to spend on the type of personal plate that you deem to be acceptable, are more likely to buy a cheaper format plate and bastardise it. So be it. Most people brush it off and move on but it clearly bothers you a lot because you have a chip on your shoulder about the lower classes, and behaviour that you consider to be 'aspiration' to a higher class such as your own.
Your use of language and tone just reinforces this. Your attitude that what you say is gospel. Your strange obsession with the illegalities of numberplates, do you obsess over other minor criminal offences in the same way? On more that one occasion you've compared burglary to mis-spacing number plates which just invalidates your opinion even further because its farcical. I'm surprised you leave the house because all those speeders on the roads are surely murderers too?!
And the irony of someone persistently accusing others of vanity, and aspirational indulgence when they're sitting there with a garage full of supercars. I'm sure you're going to be hammering the keyboard any minute telling me how there is nothing vane about that and they're all completely necessary
See, we can all make presumptions.
Kewy said:
You've completely nullified your point about illegality now, by also suggesting that speeding is okay at times because it's not always dangerous. But its illegal, end of – going by your standards.
And the irony of someone persistently accusing others of vanity, and aspirational indulgence when they're sitting there with a garage full of supercars. I'm sure you're going to be hammering the keyboard any minute telling me how there is nothing vane about that and they're all completely necessary
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The speeding point was simply an ancillary note and merely illustrative to demonstrate the widely held flaws in xj's automatic presumption (together with BRAKE et al) that excessive speed is ALWAYS dangerous irrespective of the situation.And the irony of someone persistently accusing others of vanity, and aspirational indulgence when they're sitting there with a garage full of supercars. I'm sure you're going to be hammering the keyboard any minute telling me how there is nothing vane about that and they're all completely necessary
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I have already talked about track use and this was what I was referring to in my post and it applies equally, if not more so, in a track situation as speeds can be much much greater in these situations.
Regarding my cars I am no different to anyone else who has always been a petrolhead with a great passion for driving and cars in general probably not unlike yourself and many on here. This is after all PH although to read some posts many appear to have lost their enthusiasm.
For the record I use all my cars on a regular basis, do frequent road trips and none of the cars are garage queens. I have always had a passion for decent cars and because I own them purely for the cars themselves unlike many who buy solely for the badge and rarely drive them, I fail to see what is vain or even aspirational about this.
In any event, to compare any possible vanity correlation between owning a nice car and owning an illegal/butchered Chavplate is highly tenuous and farcical to say the least.
av185 said:
Kewy said:
You've completely nullified your point about illegality now, by also suggesting that speeding is okay at times because it's not always dangerous. But its illegal, end of – going by your standards.
And the irony of someone persistently accusing others of vanity, and aspirational indulgence when they're sitting there with a garage full of supercars. I'm sure you're going to be hammering the keyboard any minute telling me how there is nothing vane about that and they're all completely necessary
.
The speeding point was simply an ancillary note and merely illustrative to demonstrate the widely held flaws in xj's automatic presumption (together with BRAKE et al) that excessive speed is ALWAYS dangerous irrespective of the situation.And the irony of someone persistently accusing others of vanity, and aspirational indulgence when they're sitting there with a garage full of supercars. I'm sure you're going to be hammering the keyboard any minute telling me how there is nothing vane about that and they're all completely necessary
.
I have already talked about track use and this was what I was referring to in my post and it applies equally, if not more so, in a track situation as speeds can be much much greater in these situations.
Regarding my cars I am no different to anyone else who has always been a petrolhead with a great passion for driving and cars in general probably not unlike yourself and many on here. This is after all PH although to read some posts many appear to have lost their enthusiasm.
For the record I use all my cars on a regular basis, do frequent road trips and none of the cars are garage queens. I have always had a passion for decent cars and because I own them purely for the cars themselves unlike many who buy solely for the badge and rarely drive them, I fail to see what is vain or even aspirational about this.
In any event, to compare any possible vanity correlation between owning a nice car and owning an illegal/butchered Chavplate is highly tenuous and farcical to say the least.
I don't care that you speed as I have said.
My whole point was as Kewy said, you are fixated on a number plate being illegal - THAT IS BAD!!!! -
But , presented with the consideration that you speed, but don't have the same attitude towards that, that's treated as a "rule you can ignore at your leisure".
Speeding is MORE dangerous than having a mis spaced number plate, and is still ILLEGAL
So you are a hypocrite.
Infact more so since speeding is an endorsable fine also carrying a custodial sentence so it's also deemed more dangerous in the eyes of the law).
Also you really should stop using chav/chavplate etc at every possible opportunity. You just come across like you are foaming at the mouth. Makes you a displeasure to talk to.
Edited by xjay1337 on Wednesday 21st August 11:51
Every one speeds.
I speed !!
This is a car enthusiasts website.
Time and a place for everything but I can be identified by my number plate if there’s an incident.
Modifying a number a plate is not in itself dangerous but it might allow you to get away with doing other dangerous stuff and not be help responsible.
That’s the point.
There’s no point in comparing dodgy plates with speeding or any other illegal activity.
I speed !!
This is a car enthusiasts website.
Time and a place for everything but I can be identified by my number plate if there’s an incident.
Modifying a number a plate is not in itself dangerous but it might allow you to get away with doing other dangerous stuff and not be help responsible.
That’s the point.
There’s no point in comparing dodgy plates with speeding or any other illegal activity.
Exige77 said:
xjay1337 said:
HantsRat said:
xjay1337 said:
No, I am having a discussion / debate saying I don't think that it's fair that you are encouraged to mis space plates by being able to buy plates that are supposed to say certain things and that in the grand scheme of things it's a victimless "crime" yet is policed, where as things like assaults, robberies, etc aren't.
I'm accepting of the risk of the fine and will pay it. That's my decision.
Doesn't mean you can't discuss it on a thread on the internet.
Please do show me a link where the DVLA encourage you to mis space a plate? I've been on their site and all plates for sale are in the correct format. I'm accepting of the risk of the fine and will pay it. That's my decision.
Doesn't mean you can't discuss it on a thread on the internet.
On some less popular non DVLA website and the likes on ebay however people advertise the plates mis spaced.
However - you type in for example CLOAK into the DVLA search engine and let's say that they had C1 OAK for sale (They don't , this is an example)
They are saying here, you can spend £1000 to say C1 OAK which is meaningless or implies you like trees, but obviously the person who spends their hard earned wants it to say C1OAK which looks more like the intended word so it may be mis spaced.
Exige77 said:
It’s not a victimless crime though is it ?
You can break the motoring law in many ways and the plate is there to identify the vehicle.
If you start meddling with it there will always be someone who will meddle a bit more and more.
It has to be an absolute offence. It’s either 100% legal or not. No tinting, no extra gaps and no misplaced screws.
Many speeding laws are a bit draconian (IMHO), but if I get identified by my plate I fully expect to face the consequences.
The dodgy plates just make this harder and should be stamped out.
It also makes the drivers who do it look, well, Chav. The AV chap might be a bit obsessive about this but he does make a very good point.
Well, OP Certainly didn't hurt anyone did he?You can break the motoring law in many ways and the plate is there to identify the vehicle.
If you start meddling with it there will always be someone who will meddle a bit more and more.
It has to be an absolute offence. It’s either 100% legal or not. No tinting, no extra gaps and no misplaced screws.
Many speeding laws are a bit draconian (IMHO), but if I get identified by my plate I fully expect to face the consequences.
The dodgy plates just make this harder and should be stamped out.
It also makes the drivers who do it look, well, Chav. The AV chap might be a bit obsessive about this but he does make a very good point.
I agree in theory with regards to visibility of plates but OP's plate, mine, as well as many other personal plates, can be read perfectly well at distance, by people or by cameras.
A space doesn't impact the readability of the plate. If anything one could argue it is more distinctive so more likely to be remembered - "oh his plate said "CLOAK"
I would say allow removal of spaces, as long as plate is full size and characters are correct, without tinting then no fines.
And as I said before if you don't have a plate displayed at all then the punishment is the same as a full size plate with one gap removed - that is archaic law making.
But if you are caught with a tinted plate or with stupid font etc then immediately your personal plate gets taken from you and you are given 6 points and a £500 fine.
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It gives people some leeway into their individuality and utilise their private plate but punishes (firmly) those who do not obey. But that will never happen , because it's as has been said, a clear black and white law so an easy way to make enforcement figures look good and keep some extra money trickling in - so those who break the ruleshave to just accept the risk and take the fines.
"Chav" is up to your own personal tastes at the end of the day. There are many different generations of people on this site and funnily enough what appeals to the younger generation may not be appealing to the older, and vice versa. Don't need to go on a 40 post tangent using the word chav 94 times.
I've just returned from South Africa where you seemingly could put anything you want on a plate without needing spaces. I think America has a similar policy? This goes back to what I said earlier where it allows people to actually have what they want on a plate.
Why is the UK so far behind as always?
Imagine a system where you could pay say £2000 to have anything you want on a plate as long as it's not taken or outright offensive. How many people would do that, lots of extra money for the government and local forces etc.
That’s the point.
If one of your children was killed by a drunk driver and said driver did a runner because they could not be identified sure you wouldn’t be happy.
The chaving of plates is the thin end of the wedge.
Wedge Thin end
Exige77 said:
Every one speeds.
I speed !!
This is a car enthusiasts website.
Time and a place for everything but I can be identified by my number plate if there’s an incident.
Modifying a number a plate is not in itself dangerous but it might allow you to get away with doing other dangerous stuff and not be help responsible.
That’s the point.
There’s no point in comparing dodgy plates with speeding or any other illegal activity.
I'm not. I'm pointing on av loves to foam at the mouth shouting illegal !!! Chav!!!! And that you can pick and choose your own rules etc....doesn't consider he does the same just with a different set of laws.I speed !!
This is a car enthusiasts website.
Time and a place for everything but I can be identified by my number plate if there’s an incident.
Modifying a number a plate is not in itself dangerous but it might allow you to get away with doing other dangerous stuff and not be help responsible.
That’s the point.
There’s no point in comparing dodgy plates with speeding or any other illegal activity.
Ergo, hypocrite.
xjay1337 said:
Speeding is MORE dangerous than having a mis spaced number plate, and is still ILLEGAL
You are at it again with your sweeping BRAKE/Mumsnet generalisations.Now if you had said
'Inappropriate speed in a specific driving situation is more dangerous' blah blah
Then I would agree with you entirely.
Only of course on the assumption that anyone was speeding in the first place.
Also a serious question for you as you appear to be totally oblivious to the illegalities of butchered/doctored Chavplates for some strange reason.
From your comments on this thread so far, you are clearly widely supportive of the doctoring/butchering of number plates for either your own m.o. or vanity reasons but how can you possibly find a plate such as these in any way acceptable never mind being totally illegal and unrecognisable:
The MRS TITT or whatever it possibly says on the X5 is surely the ultimate cringefest in terms of Chavplates.
But presumably you would think it the ultimate in style?
:Edited by av185 on Wednesday 21st August 13:01
PorkInsider said:
There's a very simple rule with mis-spaced plates: if you need to mis-space it, it's a st plate.
Mine doesn't have a space, I've had Police commentt plate."Nice Plate" and "I like that"
It isn't the correct font either but it's short, easy to read and memorable, who does it harm ?
av185 said:
You are at it again with your sweeping BRAKE/Mumsnet generalisations.
Now if you had said
'Inappropriate speed in a specific driving situation is more dangerous' blah blah
Then I would agree with you entirely.
Only of course on the assumption that anyone was speeding in the first place.
Also a serious question for you as you appear to be totally oblivious to the illegalities of butchered/doctored Chavplates for some strange reason.
From your comments on this thread so far, you are clearly widely supportive of the doctoring/butchering of number plates for either your own m.o. or vanity reasons but how can you possibly find a plate such as these in any way acceptable never mind being totally illegal and unrecognisable:
The MRS TITT or whatever it possibly says on the X5 is surely the ultimate cringefest in terms of Chavplates.
But presumably you would think it the ultimate in style?:
I'm not making any generalisations *Now if you had said
'Inappropriate speed in a specific driving situation is more dangerous' blah blah
Then I would agree with you entirely.
Only of course on the assumption that anyone was speeding in the first place.
Also a serious question for you as you appear to be totally oblivious to the illegalities of butchered/doctored Chavplates for some strange reason.
From your comments on this thread so far, you are clearly widely supportive of the doctoring/butchering of number plates for either your own m.o. or vanity reasons but how can you possibly find a plate such as these in any way acceptable never mind being totally illegal and unrecognisable:
The MRS TITT or whatever it possibly says on the X5 is surely the ultimate cringefest in terms of Chavplates.
But presumably you would think it the ultimate in style?
:Edited by av185 on Wednesday 21st August 13:01
Your whole argument has been based on breaking a black or white rule (IE the plate is either illegal or not illegal)
You are saying that's it's OK to speed if it's appropriate??
If that is not hypocrisy then I don't know what is!!
I really can't explain it either further. I have neither the time nor the crayons.
- spelling
Edited by xjay1337 on Wednesday 21st August 18:10
V8RX7 said:
PorkInsider said:
There's a very simple rule with mis-spaced plates: if you need to mis-space it, it's a st plate.
Mine doesn't have a space, I've had Police commentt plate."Nice Plate" and "I like that"
It isn't the correct font either but it's short, easy to read and memorable, who does it harm ?
Your plate might well be only “slightly” misrepresented and perfect readable.
The next chap will do the same but slightly more and the next chap more and the next chap more.
It has to be a black and white rule or it will get abused, if not by you then by others.
Exige77 said:
V8RX7 said:
PorkInsider said:
There's a very simple rule with mis-spaced plates: if you need to mis-space it, it's a st plate.
Mine doesn't have a space, I've had Police commentt plate."Nice Plate" and "I like that"
It isn't the correct font either but it's short, easy to read and memorable, who does it harm ?
Your plate might well be only “slightly” misrepresented and perfect readable.
The next chap will do the same but slightly more and the next chap more and the next chap more.
It has to be a black and white rule or it will get abused, if not by you then by others.
V8RX7 said:
Exige77 said:
V8RX7 said:
PorkInsider said:
There's a very simple rule with mis-spaced plates: if you need to mis-space it, it's a st plate.
Mine doesn't have a space, I've had Police commentt plate."Nice Plate" and "I like that"
It isn't the correct font either but it's short, easy to read and memorable, who does it harm ?
Your plate might well be only “slightly” misrepresented and perfect readable.
The next chap will do the same but slightly more and the next chap more and the next chap more.
It has to be a black and white rule or it will get abused, if not by you then by others.
I was pointing out that because you do it, others will do it and they might not have your self restraint and common sense and take you doing it as “everybody does it” and stretch it a bit more.
It’s the thin end of the TVR
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