Mis-spaces plate

[PorkInsider]

un1corn said:

3 - You can literally modify any part of a car, but people seem intent on doing plates. I've no idea why. Two reasons I can think of, firstly is just to give a middle finger to the law, and secondly, because you think it looks good. Taste and opinion is subjective, but i reckon 75% of people see an altered plate and think "knob".

Agree, other than the 75% bit.

[Pizzaeatingking]

While mine are standard plates, I don't mind a light tint or subtle bit of space adjustment. Nothing OTT, no making characters look like others etc. As long as they're still easy to read then I dont see it as a massive issue.

[Kuji]

xjay1337 said:

Already been fined.

I accept the risk

Same as you take the risk while speeding, difference is I don't look down on other people

I'll continue to do me. Irrespective of what you think as your opinion does not matter to me :-)

Really, because everyone looks down on you.

And not just because of this thread (which I’m sure you already knew).

[xjay1337]

Kuji said:

Really, because everyone looks down on you.

And not just because of this thread (which I’m sure you already knew).

I could say the same about you
The more you know eh?

[Kuji]

xjay1337 said:

Kuji said:

Really, because everyone looks down on you.

And not just because of this thread (which I’m sure you already knew).

I could say the same about you
The more you know eh?

Well, it would be the first incorrect thing you’ve said since joining the forum.

And... I’m not the only one who knows it- am I!?

[xjay1337]

Do you have anything of relevance to the thread , or do you want to continue to attempt to make snipes and play mind games.

My email is on my Profile if you want to continue with the personal attacks.

Otherwise let's keep it to the number plates, ey? :-)

[PorkInsider]

What's the craic with tinted plates then, xjay?

Is the idea to make them less visible to plod, etc, or to get closer to not having a plate at all but without actually ditching it, or something else?

[xjay1337]

PorkInsider said:

What's the craic with tinted plates then, xjay?

Is the idea to make them less visible to plod, etc, or to get closer to not having a plate at all but without actually ditching it, or something else?

Purely it's aesthetics.
The contrast with the whole car makes it look better to me.

I purely prefer how it looks. Nothing about dodging the law.

I would run no front plate as I prefer how that looks too - but I feel that takes the piss a bit too much now I've grown up a little. (I did used to on my old, old car)

Obviously both are "illegal" as each other.

Who knows maybe in a few years I'll ditch tinted plates but at the moment I like how they look.

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

Fyi. My plates are tinted similarly to the Astra belonging to Hondansx, rather than the ones on the TT.

Also, very interesting to see the same few posters taking such a strong interest in plates (some people's lives must be very dull)

Nice to see similar points made RE legality vs other things we all do and some strong words from yonex also!


Edited to say : that's purely my view on it
Some may have a dark plate to avoid the law but that is more bait to be honest.
You'd either rip the plates off or have fake ones if you're up to no good . As I said they can be read by cameras etc so no point.

I'd say 95% of people have them for style. That style is for them to judge. But of course some of the experts of all things fashionable and stylish will be quick to judge.

Edited by xjay1337 on Monday 26th August 22:40

[Kuji]

PorkInsider said:

un1corn said:

3 - You can literally modify any part of a car, but people seem intent on doing plates. I've no idea why. Two reasons I can think of, firstly is just to give a middle finger to the law, and secondly, because you think it looks good. Taste and opinion is subjective, but i reckon 75% of people see an altered plate and think "knob".

Agree, other than the 75% bit.

Definitely higher than 75%.

Unless, you are ONLY speaking about people who already own an un-bodged private plate.

[Kuji]

xjay1337 said:

Do you have anything of relevance to the thread , or do you want to continue to attempt to make snipes and play mind games.

My email is on my Profile if you want to continue with the personal attacks.

Otherwise let's keep it to the number plates, ey? :-)

So, its OK for you to do it, but not if you are on the receiving end.

I am often at PH meets, if you ever want to ask myself or anyone else for real world opinions. I would wear your extra-thick skin though, as you wont like hearing some of the opinions.

[xjay1337]

Kuji said:

So, its OK for you to do it, but not if you are on the receiving end.

I am often at PH meets, if you ever want to ask myself or anyone else for real world opinions. I would wear your extra-thick skin though, as you wont like hearing some of the opinions.

I don't tend to make personal attacks or snipes. Is there some confusion here?

What in this thread, specifically, have I said (other than when I said av has been acting like a , which was after several pages of very calm dialogue despite his vitriol) would be classed as a personal attack or a snipe?? Genuinely interested. Unlike you who out of nowhere several pages ago decided to take a direct attack on me. It's fairly clear you have some sort of issue with me. Did I upset you specifically in the past?

The difference is in real life people would not be such a loud mouth, in all likelihood either nothing would be said, or "well it's not to my tastes" as again people tend to watch what they say in real life. Of course, not PH members as they are all so powerfully built so they say whatever they like without impunity.

I don't ask people for their opinions on what I do to my car. You are welcome to come up to me and have a discussion, though. As I said I enjoy talking to people and understanding other points of view.

As I said my contact details are in my profile. Drop me an E-mail. I invited you before but have not heard anything. We can arrange a meet up to discuss this. I would hope you are more polite in real life than you are behind the keyboard.

Edited by xjay1337 on Tuesday 27th August 11:28

[Kuji]

xjay1337 said:

I don't tend to make personal attacks or snipes. Is there some confusion here?

What in this thread, specifically, have I said (other than when I said av has been acting like a , which was after several pages of very calm dialogue despite his vitriol) would be classed as a personal attack or a snipe?? Genuinely interested. Unlike you who out of nowhere several pages ago decided to take a direct attack on me. It's fairly clear you have some sort of issue with me. Did I upset you specifically in the past?

The difference is in real life people would not be such a loud mouth, in all likelihood either nothing would be said, or "well it's not to my tastes" as again people tend to watch what they say in real life. Of course, not PH members as they are all so powerfully built so they say whatever they like without impunity.

I don't ask people for their opinions on what I do to my car. You are welcome to come up to me and have a discussion, though. As I said I enjoy talking to people and understanding other points of view.

As I said my contact details are in my profile. Drop me an E-mail. I invited you before but have not heard anything. We can arrange a meet up to discuss this. I would hope you are more polite in real life than you are behind the keyboard.

Edited by xjay1337 on Tuesday 27th August 11:28

You want me to deliberately contravene, the PH code of conduct?. I see how your mind works.


If you don't want peoples opinions, its disingenuous for you insist they comply with yours isn't it.
As for the rest of your comments, we shall have to see, who is accurate. However, many on here seem to agree with me.

[oyster]

xjay1337 said:

av185 said:

xjay1337 said:

I know you are a member of the fifty but I do fail to see why number plate mis spacing is picked upon by some coppers.

Because it is illegal.

And even worse it is a crime committed by a Chav purely for vanity reasons due to their major insecurities.

I know it's "illegal".

So I decide to take the risk and the fine.

But my point is that I don't understand why the DVLA would make a plate that says for example C1 OAK and claim it says CLOAK but it actually says CL OAK (Colin Lees and you sell OAK trees?)
But if you space it to say C1OAK but then you get a fine.
That seems stupid - the plate can still be read by people, cameras (despite the "ANPR CAN'T READ IT!1!one" bridgade).

Who cares if it's for vanity, many people do things for vanity, who cares?

Seems just like a rule for rules sake and another way to just continue the war on the motorist.
The joke is , the fine for FAILING TO DISPLAY A PLATE AT ALL is the same as simply removing a SPACE
How DUMB is that.

And before you go "it's illegal" so is doing 75 mph , but I bet you do that without trying to take the moral high ground

People get used to reading plates of the same format though.

I suspect if a survey were carried out where 100 cars passed with unmodified personalised plates and then the same cars passed with the same, but space-modified plates - the level of remembered plates would be much higher in those that were unmodified.

[xjay1337]

Any opinion is fine to share and discuss. If given respectfully. When having been spoken to respectfully.

However it is not a requirement for everyone's opinion to be aligned - If you didn't realise.

The problem here is that if the opinion does not "follow suit" those who are "outside the norm" are NOT free for attack by the mob so to speak.
Being in a group with the largest number of supporters does not either make your position correct nor give you the opportunity to insult or attack those who have another view point.

You have been far from respectful with the insults given towards me (none returned by the way). Others attitudes have been generally worse but not directed at any specific person.

It's not against the rules to contact a member of PH outside of the forum, if invited? You have an opportunity to discuss privately with me if you feel that strongly about it (which you clearly do).

However it is against the rules to make personal attacks on members and generally be "argumentative".


We can all agree the plates are illegal whether tinted or mis spaced or whatever. That is no argument.
We can all agree that it is not the biggest crime in the world but those who do it are a bit silly asking for a £100 fine.
We can all agree that the reasons for doing this are generally not for illegal reasons and more to do with vanity / stylising / personal choice
That doesn't mean those who do are chavs or morons or idiots or council or any of the other general insults that have been thrown.

For a bunch of grown adults , most of which I assume are in the 40% tax bracket (or higher), who are fathers/mothers, business owners and other generally professional people, the general attitude on this thread has been shameful, moments from myself included but some people really do take the biscuit.

[NewUsername]

Zingari said:

Without me getting wrapped around the axle in this 'debate', can someone please explain what is the point of tinting a number plate?

Its to visually indicate what a gigantic throbber you are that doesn't have any respect for the fabric of our society.

It's ok to go round challenging any law, in this instance because it looks cool and I want to etc etc

[The Surveyor]

xjay1337 said:

Any opinion is fine to share and discuss.....
….

I think you are looking at this from the wrong angle, rather than asking why it's illegal to remove the spaces between letters it would be better trying to find out why UK registration plates were configured with spaces from day one. Whether that was 'letter-space-numbers-space-letters' or 'letters-numbers-space-letters', why have a space?

My understanding was that it always made the number plate easier to read, therefore easier to recognise by both members of the public and the police. If the spaces are added to make them easier to read by eye (rather than ANPR), removing the spaces will make them harder to read.... therefore illegal.

I have a similar argument against the smaller motorbike sized plates. I run one of those on the front of mine albeit correctly spaced. It's illegal because it's too small, yet the font is considered legal and perfectly visible by ANPR when fitted to a motorbike. Makes no sense but that's the law.

[PorkInsider]

oyster said:

People get used to reading plates of the same format though.

I suspect if a survey were carried out where 100 cars passed with unmodified personalised plates and then the same cars passed with the same, but space-modified plates - the level of remembered plates would be much higher in those that were unmodified.

Yep. There's a lot of research and testing goes into deciding the formats of plates - I remember it being well publicised when the current AB12 ABC format was decided upon.

It had sweet FA to do with ANPR readability and was all about how well humans could identify and recall the plate after a quick glimpse. Which is exactly the sort of scenario that crops up when some utter tool has ploughed down a child on a crossing and fked off, etc.

[xjay1337]

The Surveyor said:

I think you are looking at this from the wrong angle, rather than asking why it's illegal to remove the spaces between letters it would be better trying to find out why UK registration plates were configured with spaces from day one. Whether that was 'letter-space-numbers-space-letters' or 'letters-numbers-space-letters', why have a space?

My understanding was that it always made the number plate easier to read, therefore easier to recognise by both members of the public and the police. If the spaces are added to make them easier to read by eye (rather than ANPR), removing the spaces will make them harder to read.... therefore illegal.

I have a similar argument against the smaller motorbike sized plates. I run one of those on the front of mine albeit correctly spaced. It's illegal because it's too small, yet the font is considered legal and perfectly visible by ANPR when fitted to a motorbike. Makes no sense but that's the law.

Very true. The law is the law. I'm sure there is a reason for the current spacing of plates, etc. But I haven't read the research behind it (haven't even looked).

IIronically I also had a smaller plate (I think it was 7x5?) on my old Triumph Street R
Something about a huge plate on a svelte bike was horrific
The problem I have is the attitude of some posters now, not at all about the plates as that discussion has long gone.

I guess you and I are both throbbers who are against the fabric of society!! :-)

[av185]

Leon R said:

av185 said:

Regarding my cars I am no different to anyone else who has always been a petrolhead with a great passion for driving and cars in general probably not unlike yourself and many on here. This is after all PH although to read some posts many appear to have lost their enthusiasm.

For the record I use all my cars on a regular basis, do frequent road trips and none of the cars are garage queens. I have always had a passion for decent cars and because I own them purely for the cars themselves unlike many who buy solely for the badge and rarely drive them, I fail to see what is vain or even aspirational about this.

Do you see any irony in owning a fleet of exotic cars and doing frequent road trips yet focusing most of your time on here sharing pictures of mis-spaced plates on other peoples very average cars?

Obviously you can and do conduct yourself in the way you want to and that is your choice but it seems to me that a petrolhead with a passion for cars would be more interested in sharing photos of great cars in stunning locations and making this forum a better more interesting place.

Fair point but I can assure you I do alot more with my time than post on here but will admit that I have a particular dislike for Chavplates irrespective of what vehicle they are on whether it be a £350k McLaren or Vauxhall Vectra.

Agree what you say about photos but this thread is all about illegal plates and their irresponsible and illegal owners so we like to keep the thread on track.

[Mandalore]

I fail to see why this matter is being given this much bandwidth.

It’s illegal and it looks stupid as well. The fact that the vast majority of people with personal plates don’t even do it, confirms we’re are discussing a minority.

In fact the only people who seem to be (repeatedly) arguing in its favour are the minority who have it.

All this bullst about comparisons to speeding is total bks and smacks of desperation.