Received a NIP. Bugger.
Discussion
Rich135 said:
I'm also a regular user of that road and have only seen cameras on the other side, so I think you got a bit unlucky.
80+ does sound fast, but probably doesn't feel it in a big A8 barge. The trick is to have a car that feels like your are going 80 when your are actually doing 50 like my 1970 Lotus or 1988 MR2! Still, you have to be a bit careful all around Guildford.
All the best to you, these things happen.
Rich
Such a good point - in the relatively serene road-boat you do tend to not realise your speed at times, although this was particularly excessive. Might be downgrading involuntarily soon anyway with an impending ban 80+ does sound fast, but probably doesn't feel it in a big A8 barge. The trick is to have a car that feels like your are going 80 when your are actually doing 50 like my 1970 Lotus or 1988 MR2! Still, you have to be a bit careful all around Guildford.
All the best to you, these things happen.
Rich
BertBert said:
Obviously it's part of the B&C test drive circuit. I had a very nice drive down there trying out an Evora. The nice chap in sales takes you down the road and back to show you what's what,then you have a go, then I got the keys for 20 minutes. I presume that part of the initial bit is scouting for camera vans as well as working out whether you should be allowed the keys or not.
Bert
I'm sure I've seen them scouting the surrounding roads and that particular stretch in the past - not the most ideal road to test some of the glorious metal on offer, what with plod frequenting the place for numpties like me! Bert
kestral said:
With high speeds like this one has to think strategically.
Is it better to fail to ID the driver and just take the 6 points and a fine.
And then the police just give up do they? Or do they pursue it as well and you end up convicted twice? What does a failure to disclose do to your insurance premiums vs a speeding office? Is it better to fail to ID the driver and just take the 6 points and a fine.
Strategic thinking means considering all aspects, not just the one nearest you.
Thanks for the posting & how refreshing nobody has given you a hard time here.
Even if intentional in your case it is often far too easy to be distracted, lose concentration & thus break a speed limit.
I frequently drive a mini-bus accompanied by the most utterly charming passenger & it takes all my self-control to concentrate on my driving.
Likewise I can be toddling along mind either in neutral or pre-occupied and ………………..
Good luck & let us know the outcome.
Even if intentional in your case it is often far too easy to be distracted, lose concentration & thus break a speed limit.
I frequently drive a mini-bus accompanied by the most utterly charming passenger & it takes all my self-control to concentrate on my driving.
Likewise I can be toddling along mind either in neutral or pre-occupied and ………………..
Good luck & let us know the outcome.
WJNB said:
Thanks for the posting & how refreshing nobody has given you a hard time here.
Even if intentional in your case it is often far too easy to be distracted, lose concentration & thus break a speed limit.
I frequently drive a mini-bus accompanied by the most utterly charming passenger & it takes all my self-control to concentrate on my driving.
Likewise I can be toddling along mind either in neutral or pre-occupied and ………………..
Good luck & let us know the outcome.
The collective nature of posters in this thread has been exemplary to be honest - expected a lot more hyperbole and down-right negativity. Makes a nice change from the usual stuff spouted elsewhere on the forum at times!Even if intentional in your case it is often far too easy to be distracted, lose concentration & thus break a speed limit.
I frequently drive a mini-bus accompanied by the most utterly charming passenger & it takes all my self-control to concentrate on my driving.
Likewise I can be toddling along mind either in neutral or pre-occupied and ………………..
Good luck & let us know the outcome.
It is all too easy to speed, and all too easy to get caught. Win some, lose some. I will certainly keep you all posted on the outcome - hoping for the best but expecting the worst.
Resolutionary said:
The collective nature of posters in this thread has been exemplary to be honest - expected a lot more hyperbole and down-right negativity. Makes a nice change from the usual stuff spouted elsewhere on the forum at times!
It is all too easy to speed, and all too easy to get caught. Win some, lose some. I will certainly keep you all posted on the outcome - hoping for the best but expecting the worst.
Yep, I do agree! It is all too easy to speed, and all too easy to get caught. Win some, lose some. I will certainly keep you all posted on the outcome - hoping for the best but expecting the worst.
Take it on the chin OP, sounds like 6 points & a chunky fine. Not end of the world, but a lesson learnt.
kestral said:
With high speeds like this one has to think strategically.
Is it better to fail to ID the driver and just take the 6 points and a fine.
OP don’t do this, the punishments in this case are likely to be similar, but the knock on effect of an MS90 failing to give information conviction is a lot worse for your future insurance than 6 points or a short ban for speeding, you will find a lot of companies will not even quote.Is it better to fail to ID the driver and just take the 6 points and a fine.
Their view is what did he do that was so bad it was worth taking a big fine and 6 points.
eldar said:
The first thing that will happen is 23 posts abusing you about killing the planet, being stupid, promising death, damnation and a failure to drive to their impeccable standards. And dropped soap.
Then someone will give you the correct advice, at which it all deteriorates I not an argument about
How often to replace your tyres.
6 points, plus large fine(500 or so) and costs I’d guess.
Happily, you're already wrong.Then someone will give you the correct advice, at which it all deteriorates I not an argument about
How often to replace your tyres.
6 points, plus large fine(500 or so) and costs I’d guess.
Slight update for you all - after sending the initial 'it was me driving' letter back in late August, it all went a bit quiet.
So much so, I got worried that my response didn't make it to the police - so I caved and contacted them in early October after a month of radio silence.
The email response I got is as follows:
"We can confirm that we have received your drivers admission. Due to the speed of the alleged offence this matter must be dealt with by prosecution, which in this case means by way of a court summons.
You will receive documents in due course, which will give you full information concerning the date, time and Magistrates Court where the case will be heard. This will then give you the opportunity to state your mitigation before the magistrates and a decision will then be made."
I finally received the postal bits last week. In them, along with further evidence of me and my car, was a letter which I had to complete and send back which stated three options:
- Plead guilty, do not go to court
- Plead guilty, go to court
- Plead not guilty, go to court
Obviously I ticked the first box, and have now sent back the docs including the means test thing about income for what I assume will be an (eventual) chunky fine.
Anyway, so far it has taken two months to reach this point. I suspect another couple of weeks to hear back, and although I have nominated to not go to court, the email I received seems to suggest that I will have my day due to the severity of it all.
As ever, I will update once I know more..
So much so, I got worried that my response didn't make it to the police - so I caved and contacted them in early October after a month of radio silence.
The email response I got is as follows:
"We can confirm that we have received your drivers admission. Due to the speed of the alleged offence this matter must be dealt with by prosecution, which in this case means by way of a court summons.
You will receive documents in due course, which will give you full information concerning the date, time and Magistrates Court where the case will be heard. This will then give you the opportunity to state your mitigation before the magistrates and a decision will then be made."
I finally received the postal bits last week. In them, along with further evidence of me and my car, was a letter which I had to complete and send back which stated three options:
- Plead guilty, do not go to court
- Plead guilty, go to court
- Plead not guilty, go to court
Obviously I ticked the first box, and have now sent back the docs including the means test thing about income for what I assume will be an (eventual) chunky fine.
Anyway, so far it has taken two months to reach this point. I suspect another couple of weeks to hear back, and although I have nominated to not go to court, the email I received seems to suggest that I will have my day due to the severity of it all.
As ever, I will update once I know more..
Resolutionary said:
SJPN - which I sent back well within the 21 day return period.
That makes no difference. Your case will be reviewed no sooner than 28 days after the Posting Date on the front page of the SJPN.I’m surprised you posted documents to the court. Is there any reason you didn’t use the makeaplea website as recommended?
agtlaw said:
That makes no difference. Your case will be reviewed no sooner than 28 days after the Posting Date on the front page of the SJPN.
I’m surprised you posted documents to the court. Is there any reason you didn’t use the makeaplea website as recommended?
So even before my posted response reaches, there may be a decision / summons?I’m surprised you posted documents to the court. Is there any reason you didn’t use the makeaplea website as recommended?
I just figured it'd make no odds to post it or use the makeaplea site; having read the stuff I received a couple of times it didn't seem all that clear that a decision would be made within 28 days.
All it states in this regard is:
"You have 21 days to respond to this notice or the case may be heard without you and you may be found guilty and sentenced in your absence."
I certainly doubt the court could appropriately dish out a fine without me providing my finance report bit (whether online or via post) - so apologies if I'm missing something but I fail to see how it makes no odds?
Resolutionary said:
So even before my posted response reaches, there may be a decision / summons?
I just figured it'd make no odds to post it or use the makeaplea site; having read the stuff I received a couple of times it didn't seem all that clear that a decision would be made within 28 days.
All it states in this regard is:
"You have 21 days to respond to this notice or the case may be heard without you and you may be found guilty and sentenced in your absence."
I certainly doubt the court could appropriately dish out a fine without me providing my finance report bit (whether online or via post) - so apologies if I'm missing something but I fail to see how it makes no odds?
I’m extremely familiar with the process, but thanks anyway for the quote. I just figured it'd make no odds to post it or use the makeaplea site; having read the stuff I received a couple of times it didn't seem all that clear that a decision would be made within 28 days.
All it states in this regard is:
"You have 21 days to respond to this notice or the case may be heard without you and you may be found guilty and sentenced in your absence."
I certainly doubt the court could appropriately dish out a fine without me providing my finance report bit (whether online or via post) - so apologies if I'm missing something but I fail to see how it makes no odds?
You appear to have misunderstood. I don’t doubt what will happen, even if you have some doubts.
I said no sooner than 28 days after the Posting Date.
Your response must be made within 21 days of the Posting Date.
In other words, there will be at least 7 days after the deadline to respond before your response will be reviewed. As I’ve already said, it makes no difference how soon you reply. The date on which your case will br reviewed has already been determined. If you used the online system then you would have been made aware of the date.
It makes a big difference if your paperwork is not properly dealt with - as a recent poster found to his cost. You should have dealt with the case online.
agtlaw said:
I’m extremely familiar with the process, but thanks anyway for the quote.
You appear to have misunderstood. I don’t doubt what will happen, even if you have some doubts.
I said no sooner than 28 days after the Posting Date.
Your response must be made within 21 days of the Posting Date.
In other words, there will be at least 7 days after the deadline to respond before your response will be reviewed. As I’ve already said, it makes no difference how soon you reply. The date on which your case will br reviewed has already been determined. If you used the online system then you would have been made aware of the date.
It makes a big difference if your paperwork is not properly dealt with - as a recent poster found to his cost. You should have dealt with the case online.
I'm very much aware of your expertise in these matters so please don't misunderstand my confusion / curiosity as anything but.You appear to have misunderstood. I don’t doubt what will happen, even if you have some doubts.
I said no sooner than 28 days after the Posting Date.
Your response must be made within 21 days of the Posting Date.
In other words, there will be at least 7 days after the deadline to respond before your response will be reviewed. As I’ve already said, it makes no difference how soon you reply. The date on which your case will br reviewed has already been determined. If you used the online system then you would have been made aware of the date.
It makes a big difference if your paperwork is not properly dealt with - as a recent poster found to his cost. You should have dealt with the case online.
I didn't realise that the 28 day period was set in stone - the posting date is 21/10/2019 so that would make the 28 day point 18/11/2019, if that makes sense?
It wasn't made clear to me in the documents supplied that doing it online would be better or worse - and I'd not made that judgement either tbh.
Given that I've only posted my response on Friday, would it be prudent to use the makeaplea site in the meantime? Not sure if this doubling-down would help me gain any further clarity or prevent anything from being dealt with in a less than helpful manner..
Doing both is confusing and not advised.
Some areas send out the yellow document posted above, whilst other areas don’t give directions about how best to deal with the case.
If the Posting Date is 21 October then your case will be reviewed by a single magistrate on or after 18 November 2019.
Your case will conclude with points, fine, costs and surcharge. Otherwise you will be sent a Summons on Referral to Court or a Notice of Proposed Disqualification.
Some areas send out the yellow document posted above, whilst other areas don’t give directions about how best to deal with the case.
If the Posting Date is 21 October then your case will be reviewed by a single magistrate on or after 18 November 2019.
Your case will conclude with points, fine, costs and surcharge. Otherwise you will be sent a Summons on Referral to Court or a Notice of Proposed Disqualification.
agtlaw said:
Doing both is confusing and not advised.
Some areas send out the yellow document posted above, whilst other areas don’t give directions about how best to deal with the case.
If the Posting Date is 21 October then your case will be reviewed by a single magistrate on or after 18 November 2019.
Your case will conclude with points, fine, costs and surcharge. Otherwise you will be sent a Summons on Referral to Court or a Notice of Proposed Disqualification.
I see.. mine was white as opposed to yellow, I must be in an area which doesn't go into as much depth (very helpful!). Some areas send out the yellow document posted above, whilst other areas don’t give directions about how best to deal with the case.
If the Posting Date is 21 October then your case will be reviewed by a single magistrate on or after 18 November 2019.
Your case will conclude with points, fine, costs and surcharge. Otherwise you will be sent a Summons on Referral to Court or a Notice of Proposed Disqualification.
I sincerely hope that it concludes with points + fines. Given my previous conviction for DR10, albeit 3+ years ago now, I wonder if I will automatically be summoned to court and receive a disqualification as a motion deemed most prudent given my particular situation. Thanks for the information though - you've been more useful than the official letters received!
Resolutionary said:
BertBert said:
Obviously it's part of the B&C test drive circuit. I had a very nice drive down there trying out an Evora. The nice chap in sales takes you down the road and back to show you what's what,then you have a go, then I got the keys for 20 minutes. I presume that part of the initial bit is scouting for camera vans as well as working out whether you should be allowed the keys or not.
Bert
I'm sure I've seen them scouting the surrounding roads and that particular stretch in the past - not the most ideal road to test some of the glorious metal on offer, what with plod frequenting the place for numpties like me! Bert
Unfortunately in recent years the Police have started to monitor quite a few bits of the stretches all around Guildford. Unfortunately a few times i've driven down there over the last year or so you do sometimes come across some people trying to push into triple figures or having a bit of a drag race when it opens into the dc towards Clandon. The bikers seem to enjoy that stretch as well speed wise so probably a combination of both that have resulted in the increased checks around there.
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