Horses on roads
Discussion
Drumroll said:
av185 said:
I would suggest a few injured/badly injured or even dead motorcyclists may strongly disagree with you.
I strongly suspect more motorcyclists have accidents caused by diesel etc on the road than have accidents caused by horse manure.If we looked at the accident rate by number of horses on road and number of diesel spilling trucks, I think we'd quickly be able to reverse your conclusion.
lyonspride said:
spookly said:
Is there any legislation about horses on roads? Are they allowed anywhere they like?
Just wondering, as I keep seeing a couple of nags clogging up the roads in the morning when I'm off to walk my dogs. I have no idea why they'd want to be riding in the middle of a town, and also nowhere near a place suitable for horses to go for off road exercise.
I assume they are allowed to despite the silliness of it not being a particularly enjoyable place to ride, or that they hold up all the morning traffic on a moderately busy road.
You'll find they're doing it deliberately, there's a certain breed of horse rider, they don't need to work, they're bored, and they like to go out in rush hour to cause agro in their "Polite" vests..Just wondering, as I keep seeing a couple of nags clogging up the roads in the morning when I'm off to walk my dogs. I have no idea why they'd want to be riding in the middle of a town, and also nowhere near a place suitable for horses to go for off road exercise.
I assume they are allowed to despite the silliness of it not being a particularly enjoyable place to ride, or that they hold up all the morning traffic on a moderately busy road.
There is a group that go out for a ride, near the local school, at school closing time every day.
x9wfm said:
rscott said:
Because it's basically just grass and hay. Doesn't carry anything like the same health risk as dog s
t.
Well I'm sure they wouldn't like it if I went and shat up the side of their freshly washed horse.t.t overnight in the stables, I doubt they'd be that concerned.Although might be fun to see you try and s
t up the side of a horse!I am so sorry if I have slowed anybody down and apologise. I do admit to having ridden my horse in London (Oxford Circus - Regent Street - Piccadilly Circus - Buckingham Palace - Park Lane - Hyde Park. - Out the North Side - George Street - Harley Street - Outer Circle Regents Park - Primrose Hill - Belzise Park - Hampstead Heath - Heath Extension - Hampstead Garden Suburb - Finchley Road - Henlys Corner - Mill Hill East Mill Hill). However I very rarely slow other road users down, maybe at red traffic lights when they turn green but I keep on the left hand side and everyone can overtake me with ease.. My horse is very good on the road and in traffic (better than a police horse) and does not react to anything and I mean anything. Best of all I enjoy riding in central London and seeing the sights and meeting lots of people in Hyde Park who want to stroke my horse (and even buy me an ice cream). It is very relaxing riding a well behaved horse - you should have a go - I am sure that you would enjoy it. See you around.
Owlie185 said:
I am so sorry if I have slowed anybody down and apologise. I do admit to having ridden my horse in London (Oxford Circus - Regent Street - Piccadilly Circus - Buckingham Palace - Park Lane - Hyde Park. - Out the North Side - George Street - Harley Street - Outer Circle Regents Park - Primrose Hill - Belzise Park - Hampstead Heath - Heath Extension - Hampstead Garden Suburb - Finchley Road - Henlys Corner - Mill Hill East Mill Hill). However I very rarely slow other road users down, maybe at red traffic lights when they turn green but I keep on the left hand side and everyone can overtake me with ease.. My horse is very good on the road and in traffic (better than a police horse) and does not react to anything and I mean anything. Best of all I enjoy riding in central London and seeing the sights and meeting lots of people in Hyde Park who want to stroke my horse (and even buy me an ice cream). It is very relaxing riding a well behaved horse - you should have a go - I am sure that you would enjoy it. See you around.
You've been waiting 35 months for this thread haven't you ?.Owlie185 said:
I am so sorry if I have slowed anybody down and apologise. I do admit to having ridden my horse in London (Oxford Circus - Regent Street - Piccadilly Circus - Buckingham Palace - Park Lane - Hyde Park. - Out the North Side - George Street - Harley Street - Outer Circle Regents Park - Primrose Hill - Belzise Park - Hampstead Heath - Heath Extension - Hampstead Garden Suburb - Finchley Road - Henlys Corner - Mill Hill East Mill Hill). However I very rarely slow other road users down, maybe at red traffic lights when they turn green but I keep on the left hand side and everyone can overtake me with ease.. My horse is very good on the road and in traffic (better than a police horse) and does not react to anything and I mean anything. Best of all I enjoy riding in central London and seeing the sights and meeting lots of people in Hyde Park who want to stroke my horse (and even buy me an ice cream). It is very relaxing riding a well behaved horse - you should have a go - I am sure that you would enjoy it. See you around.
Worst "I have a horse" post ever.Look at this bunch of selfish knob-heads...
...not only riding more than 6 abreast on a busy London road, but they're riding so slowly that those fine chaps in red tunics and tall furry hats are stuck behind them after going for a stroll. How dare they ride horses on roads. They've brought half of London to a standstill, ffs! Don't they know that important people need that specific road to drive their dogs to the park!
Thankfully the police have seen sense, and are running to arrest this mad female equestrian for holding traffic up...
...not only riding more than 6 abreast on a busy London road, but they're riding so slowly that those fine chaps in red tunics and tall furry hats are stuck behind them after going for a stroll. How dare they ride horses on roads. They've brought half of London to a standstill, ffs! Don't they know that important people need that specific road to drive their dogs to the park!
Thankfully the police have seen sense, and are running to arrest this mad female equestrian for holding traffic up...
av185 said:
Why is it though that horse riders are not compelled to clear up their animals st bearing in mind it is usually at least 200 times the volume of dogs st and even more hazardous to roads users?
Once I was out on the bike and saw a girl with a yard brush, brushing the turds off the road into the verge. Unfortunately not everyone has though for others but I thank those that do. (Except those polite wt bearing in mind it is usually at least 200 times the volume of dogs st and even more hazardous to roads users?kers!)CrutyRammers said:
RyanOPlasty said:
Interesting statistics here - Table 3
2017 Greenhouse Gas emissions
from passenger cars 69.6 Mtonnes CO2 Equivalent from 30 000 000 cars
from horses 0.6 Mtonnes CO2 Equivalent from 250 000 horses
Its a close run thing, but the average horse emits more greenhouse gases than the average passenger car.
Take into account annual mileage and there is no contest - horses need to go to save the planet!
Where do those gasses come from in the case of cars? Fossil fuels, locked away for millions of years. And in the case of animals? Grass, which has fixed C02 from the atmosphere, that is now being returned to the atmosphere via the animal. One is a cycle in a closed system, the other is introducing new gas into that system. Quite different.2017 Greenhouse Gas emissions
from passenger cars 69.6 Mtonnes CO2 Equivalent from 30 000 000 cars
from horses 0.6 Mtonnes CO2 Equivalent from 250 000 horses
Its a close run thing, but the average horse emits more greenhouse gases than the average passenger car.
Take into account annual mileage and there is no contest - horses need to go to save the planet!
RyanOPlasty said:
This is a fallacious argument. Using plants as fuel releases CO2 into the atmosphere instead of leaving it in the plant, yes, we can grow more plants to replace those consumed but instead we could grow plants to take more CO2 from the atmosphere permanently. Furthermore a very significant part of the emissions are methane which is much more potent than CO2 and would not be created without the assistance of the animal.
Permanently? Which plants are those which last forever and don't rot? Or are you planning on creating new coal seams?lyonspride said:
That's all very well, but why do they choose rush hour?
I mean seriously, is it that hard to wait 30 minutes? If they're riding in rush hour then they clearly don't have to get to work like the rest of us. It's just common sense, but sadly some of them just feel the need to go out and disrupt the "peasants" who are just trying to get to work on time, and they're so damn quick to shout abuse at drivers who pass them too loudly, or 1.5mph too fast, like DCWs who drive into trouble and then act all offended when something barely happens.
Few months back I encountered two at around 5pm, a busy wide B road, first I passed them, they were 2 abreast shouting at every car going past, then I had to turn around for roadworks and drive back past them by which time they'd got a massive queue of cars behind them, as I approached I could see the one rider had taken up both lanes of the road to stop cars passing her, when I came long they had to move, I passed slowly with my clutch dipped and they started shouting again, so I slammed on the brakes, stopped just behind them and had a go at them, they stopped, then the driver directly behind them got out and joined in, their attitude was absolute entitlement, basically like Audi drivers on meth riding a bag of meat.
Amazing. In nearly 30 years of driving, I've never once had a cross word with someone on a horse. You must be really unlucky. Or maybe don't drive very considerately.I mean seriously, is it that hard to wait 30 minutes? If they're riding in rush hour then they clearly don't have to get to work like the rest of us. It's just common sense, but sadly some of them just feel the need to go out and disrupt the "peasants" who are just trying to get to work on time, and they're so damn quick to shout abuse at drivers who pass them too loudly, or 1.5mph too fast, like DCWs who drive into trouble and then act all offended when something barely happens.
Few months back I encountered two at around 5pm, a busy wide B road, first I passed them, they were 2 abreast shouting at every car going past, then I had to turn around for roadworks and drive back past them by which time they'd got a massive queue of cars behind them, as I approached I could see the one rider had taken up both lanes of the road to stop cars passing her, when I came long they had to move, I passed slowly with my clutch dipped and they started shouting again, so I slammed on the brakes, stopped just behind them and had a go at them, they stopped, then the driver directly behind them got out and joined in, their attitude was absolute entitlement, basically like Audi drivers on meth riding a bag of meat.
yellowjack said:
Initforthemoney said:
Don’t visit the new forest then op.
You might have a fit.
You might have a fit.
Horses. Cattle. Donkeys. Pigs even. Just stood in the road most of the time, with dopey Grockles parking in the centre of the carriageway to get out and "ooh" and "aah" over the "cute baby horseys". Then add the "swarms" of "lycra clad cyclo-terrorists" overwhelming tea rooms over the entire forest and the terminally stupid are blowing fuses, gaskets, and whatever else because they can't cope with the concept that not everyone lives life the same way they do.
Hey OP! Maybe the folk riding the horses in inappropriate places have been banned from driving, so they're riding to Waitrose for the weekly shop instead???
CrutyRammers said:
Amazing. In nearly 30 years of driving, I've never once had a cross word with someone on a horse. You must be really unlucky. Or maybe don't drive very considerately.
You'll find most are women hence a fair proportion are batst crazyRecently I slowed on a wide NSL to 20ish to pass a couple, as the guy in the front raised a hand in thanks, the woman behind him was gesticulating wildly.
CrutyRammers said:
lyonspride said:
That's all very well, but why do they choose rush hour?
I mean seriously, is it that hard to wait 30 minutes? If they're riding in rush hour then they clearly don't have to get to work like the rest of us. It's just common sense, but sadly some of them just feel the need to go out and disrupt the "peasants" who are just trying to get to work on time, and they're so damn quick to shout abuse at drivers who pass them too loudly, or 1.5mph too fast, like DCWs who drive into trouble and then act all offended when something barely happens.
Few months back I encountered two at around 5pm, a busy wide B road, first I passed them, they were 2 abreast shouting at every car going past, then I had to turn around for roadworks and drive back past them by which time they'd got a massive queue of cars behind them, as I approached I could see the one rider had taken up both lanes of the road to stop cars passing her, when I came long they had to move, I passed slowly with my clutch dipped and they started shouting again, so I slammed on the brakes, stopped just behind them and had a go at them, they stopped, then the driver directly behind them got out and joined in, their attitude was absolute entitlement, basically like Audi drivers on meth riding a bag of meat.
Amazing. In nearly 30 years of driving, I've never once had a cross word with someone on a horse. You must be really unlucky. Or maybe don't drive very considerately.I mean seriously, is it that hard to wait 30 minutes? If they're riding in rush hour then they clearly don't have to get to work like the rest of us. It's just common sense, but sadly some of them just feel the need to go out and disrupt the "peasants" who are just trying to get to work on time, and they're so damn quick to shout abuse at drivers who pass them too loudly, or 1.5mph too fast, like DCWs who drive into trouble and then act all offended when something barely happens.
Few months back I encountered two at around 5pm, a busy wide B road, first I passed them, they were 2 abreast shouting at every car going past, then I had to turn around for roadworks and drive back past them by which time they'd got a massive queue of cars behind them, as I approached I could see the one rider had taken up both lanes of the road to stop cars passing her, when I came long they had to move, I passed slowly with my clutch dipped and they started shouting again, so I slammed on the brakes, stopped just behind them and had a go at them, they stopped, then the driver directly behind them got out and joined in, their attitude was absolute entitlement, basically like Audi drivers on meth riding a bag of meat.
av185 said:
Poorly placed?
Hardly.
Us heavily taxed motorists pay dearly for the privilege of roadspace whereas Fi Fi and Dobbin don't pay a penny. And cause havoc to boot.
The only contribution they make is horsest for the rhubarb crop.
Oh yeah and a few dead motorcyclists.
The root cause of the havoc maybe due there been horses in the road but if drivers learnt how to cope with such instances instead of driving like pricks around them, less havoc or delay would be caused.Hardly.
Us heavily taxed motorists pay dearly for the privilege of roadspace whereas Fi Fi and Dobbin don't pay a penny. And cause havoc to boot.
The only contribution they make is horses
t for the rhubarb crop.Oh yeah and a few dead motorcyclists.
Just look at the carnage caused by a tractor or a couple of cyclists when an incompetent driver comes up behind them - they have no idea on how to overtake them safely.
The people who struggle with horses on the roads are the same group who will struggle with cyclists, other cars, trucks, ‘everything’.
Living in the country you get used to horse st on the road. As you’re not qualifying for a GP you tend to be able to avoid it. Horse st on a bike, no where near as bad as when farmers walk their cows across the road to the next field. But you can smell it, and as you’re not a complete fool drive to the conditions.
Trouble is the world is full of completely irrational humans who one moment can be totally selfish. Some grow up, some don’t.
The only issue I have with them is when they are so nervous the riders struggle to control them. Two occasions I’ve seen a horse start to go ape when passing, once I was actually stationary with the engine off as it was obviously terrified.
Live and let live, stop being so impatient. Seems to work generally
Living in the country you get used to horse s
t on the road. As you’re not qualifying for a GP you tend to be able to avoid it. Horse st on a bike, no where near as bad as when farmers walk their cows across the road to the next field. But you can smell it, and as you’re not a complete fool drive to the conditions.Trouble is the world is full of completely irrational humans who one moment can be totally selfish. Some grow up, some don’t.
The only issue I have with them is when they are so nervous the riders struggle to control them. Two occasions I’ve seen a horse start to go ape when passing, once I was actually stationary with the engine off as it was obviously terrified.
Live and let live, stop being so impatient. Seems to work generally
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