parking invoice & now court summons
Discussion
Stay in Bed Instead said:
I stated they are not perfect. I didn't state I condoned that imperfection.
Regardless of the conduct of the PPC's. If you don't park on private property you have nothing to fear. And before you jump all over me, I am referring to the likes of the old folks home, not Sainsburys.
But regardless of where the OP parked shouldn't the PPC's be setting an example here by operating according to the law? Not that what the OP has done is illegal, more simply inconsiderate - but clearly the PPC is operating outside the law here. If the PPC fails to stay within that law (as would seem the case here), are they not just as bad as the OP for parking where he shouldn't? Yet we are all here berating the OP but not the PPC? Strange!Regardless of the conduct of the PPC's. If you don't park on private property you have nothing to fear. And before you jump all over me, I am referring to the likes of the old folks home, not Sainsburys.
Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 25th October 10:33
Andy20vt said:
But regardless of where the OP parked shouldn't the PPC's be setting an example here by operating according to the law? Not that what the OP has done is illegal, more simply inconsiderate - but clearly the PPC is operating outside the law here. If the PPC fails to stay within that law (as would seem the case here), are they not just as bad as the OP for parking where he shouldn't? Yet we are all here berating the OP but not the PPC? Strange!
And why do you think that is?If the PPC have acted unlawfully the OP can state such when he defends the County Court claim.
The argument on this thread is a good example of the shift in attitudes that seems to have happened since the 80’s and the “greed is good” culture.
Once upon a time people thought they lived in a society, and were considerate of that society. Do unto others and all that. This led to people assuming that they could do something if given permission, but otherwise generally wouldn’t.
Now for some it seems to have gone the other way, where they assume that they can do something unless told they cannot.
It’s a shift from thinking about others to only thinking about yourself, and it’s depressing.
Once upon a time people thought they lived in a society, and were considerate of that society. Do unto others and all that. This led to people assuming that they could do something if given permission, but otherwise generally wouldn’t.
Now for some it seems to have gone the other way, where they assume that they can do something unless told they cannot.
It’s a shift from thinking about others to only thinking about yourself, and it’s depressing.
wjwren said:
Fast forward couple of months later and now my partner has a court date in November. The parking companies solicitors have written to me this week to say they are using the fast track small claims process and that the parking company wont be attending.
Could you clarify OP? If your partner has a Court date already, She/He would've received the particulars of claim months ago, with options to admit/partially admit defend plus a break down of the claim costs and fees. The writing to you bit is a formality for them but is probably the only avenue open to you if you come up with a valid legal argument and attend Court. If the Maj accepts your argument, you win.
It won’t cost you anything to attend Court but my best guess (based on experience) is £274. (Total claim)
DanL said:
The argument on this thread is a good example of the shift in attitudes that seems to have happened since the 80’s and the “greed is good” culture.
Once upon a time people thought they lived in a society, and were considerate of that society. Do unto others and all that. This led to people assuming that they could do something if given permission, but otherwise generally wouldn’t.
Now for some it seems to have gone the other way, where they assume that they can do something unless told they cannot.
It’s a shift from thinking about others to only thinking about yourself, and it’s depressing.
I think the reason that some owners of private land are suffering with unauthorized parking is that a) the councils have simply failed to provide enough public parking, and b) private and public car park charges are often unreasonable, complicated to use, and any opportunity for a money grab on the motorist through minor infringement/penalty charge has been taken.Once upon a time people thought they lived in a society, and were considerate of that society. Do unto others and all that. This led to people assuming that they could do something if given permission, but otherwise generally wouldn’t.
Now for some it seems to have gone the other way, where they assume that they can do something unless told they cannot.
It’s a shift from thinking about others to only thinking about yourself, and it’s depressing.
Car park near us which used to have reasonable and incremental hourly fees, payable on exit now has two options, up to 4hrs for £6.50 or all day for £10.00. So what has happened - yes a lot of motorists avoid the car park and park wherever else they can for free. I mean if you are just popping in to the bank or similar then why would you now pay £6.50 when previously it would have been £1.00 for the hour? It's no wonder people try to park in Sainsbury's instead. It's no wonder the residential pavements nearby are clogged with cars.
DanL said:
The argument on this thread is a good example of the shift in attitudes that seems to have happened since the 80’s and the “greed is good” culture.
Once upon a time people thought they lived in a society, and were considerate of that society. Do unto others and all that. This led to people assuming that they could do something if given permission, but otherwise generally wouldn’t.
Now for some it seems to have gone the other way, where they assume that they can do something unless told they cannot.
It’s a shift from thinking about others to only thinking about yourself, and it’s depressing.
I agree and as much as I dislike parking companies I am 1000% happy for them to send invoices out to all of the people who think that the rules the rest of us live by don't apply to them.Once upon a time people thought they lived in a society, and were considerate of that society. Do unto others and all that. This led to people assuming that they could do something if given permission, but otherwise generally wouldn’t.
Now for some it seems to have gone the other way, where they assume that they can do something unless told they cannot.
It’s a shift from thinking about others to only thinking about yourself, and it’s depressing.
Most GENUINELY innocent people like myself who make a mistake, get their tickets overturned and the ones who don't know exactly who to blame for all the problems (The idiots who park where they shouldn't until the landowner is forced down the parking company route).
Andy20vt said:
Stay in Bed Instead said:
I stated they are not perfect. I didn't state I condoned that imperfection.
Regardless of the conduct of the PPC's. If you don't park on private property you have nothing to fear. And before you jump all over me, I am referring to the likes of the old folks home, not Sainsburys.
But regardless of where the OP parked shouldn't the PPC's be setting an example here by operating according to the law? Not that what the OP has done is illegal, more simply inconsiderate - but clearly the PPC is operating outside the law here. If the PPC fails to stay within that law (as would seem the case here), are they not just as bad as the OP for parking where he shouldn't? Yet we are all here berating the OP but not the PPC? Strange!Regardless of the conduct of the PPC's. If you don't park on private property you have nothing to fear. And before you jump all over me, I am referring to the likes of the old folks home, not Sainsburys.
Edited by Andy20vt on Friday 25th October 10:33
Unless the OP was new to the area and blind, he would have noticed it wasn't a public car park and that alone should have triggered a brain cell into making sure it was Ok to park there.
I appreciate that such notions as common sense, bothering to actually look and not blaming other for all your own problems and failings might seem alien to you, but it is what it is.
Got bored after page 3 however my tuppence worth.
Quotes of poor signage, signs not visible bla bla bla - however OP managed to see them when he wanted to even with a broken light and a van in the way.
Now doing my Columbo here, the ticket was first produced at X date which I would presume to be AFTER the event. Did the OP notice the broken light AFTER the event when checking for signage? who's to say said broken light wasn't working at time of the offense.
Was said van obscuring the sign at time of the offense or after the fact ? If obscured at time of the offense you DID see it to notice it was obscured. Both would suggest to me you either noticed them so they weren't that hard to see, or you went looking for them - must have done if you noticed the van in the way- how else would you know ? If you know it was obscured by the van that would suggest you have previously parked there and knew the location of the sign and the risk you took.
I'm with the pay up and shut up side of this. Blaming the signs ( which were there all along ) doesn't wash with me, Id also take a guess that OP visits said Chinese regularly and therefore parks in this private car park regularly ?
Quotes of poor signage, signs not visible bla bla bla - however OP managed to see them when he wanted to even with a broken light and a van in the way.
Now doing my Columbo here, the ticket was first produced at X date which I would presume to be AFTER the event. Did the OP notice the broken light AFTER the event when checking for signage? who's to say said broken light wasn't working at time of the offense.
Was said van obscuring the sign at time of the offense or after the fact ? If obscured at time of the offense you DID see it to notice it was obscured. Both would suggest to me you either noticed them so they weren't that hard to see, or you went looking for them - must have done if you noticed the van in the way- how else would you know ? If you know it was obscured by the van that would suggest you have previously parked there and knew the location of the sign and the risk you took.
I'm with the pay up and shut up side of this. Blaming the signs ( which were there all along ) doesn't wash with me, Id also take a guess that OP visits said Chinese regularly and therefore parks in this private car park regularly ?
DanL said:
Now for some it seems to have gone the other way, where they assume that they can do something unless told they cannot.
That is how life works....... (with some common sense applied) So we can maybe be a better judge of what's right or wrong , could OP provide a google map of the chinese / car park?
Mandalore said:
I agree and as much as I dislike parking companies I am 1000% happy for them to send invoices out to all of the people who think that the rules the rest of us live by don't apply to them.
Most GENUINELY innocent people like myself who make a mistake, get their tickets overturned and the ones who don't know exactly who to blame for all the problems (The idiots who park where they shouldn't until the landowner is forced down the parking company route).
Also, the genuine people getting tickets overturned does NOT happen.Most GENUINELY innocent people like myself who make a mistake, get their tickets overturned and the ones who don't know exactly who to blame for all the problems (The idiots who park where they shouldn't until the landowner is forced down the parking company route).
You have to fight hard for it.
xjay1337 said:
DanL said:
Now for some it seems to have gone the other way, where they assume that they can do something unless told they cannot.
That is how life works....... (with some common sense applied) 
Mandalore said:
Most GENUINELY innocent people like myself who make a mistake, get their tickets overturned
You are talking absolute cobblers - try telling that to the millions of people who have been put through the mill despite having made a genuine mistake. These parking companies hound (bully) people to such an extent that most people dare not even appeal and just pay up out of fear or wanting it to go away. These companies make their money through fear and intimidation regardless of whether you parked correctly or not.Andy20vt said:
Mandalore said:
Most GENUINELY innocent people like myself who make a mistake, get their tickets overturned
You are talking absolute cobblers - try telling that to the millions of people who have been put through the mill despite having made a genuine mistake. These parking companies hound (bully) people to such an extent that most people dare not even appeal and just pay up out of fear or wanting it to go away. These companies make their money through fear and intimidation regardless of whether you parked correctly or not.And If someone does get caught, we know exact who the people to blame are don’t we?
Mandalore said:
xjay1337 said:
Also, the genuine people getting tickets overturned does NOT happen.
You have to fight hard for it.
Yeah it DOES actually.You have to fight hard for it.
But it takes time for the vetting to prove that we weren’t bulls
tting them.I guess you’ve never had the experience yourself.
So I have first hand experience of being scammed by these cowboys.
No sympathy from me at all.
I can tell you, having managed property that no-one appoints a parking contractor willingly. It happens after most practical and affordable solutions have been exhausted.
No one really wants the hassle and upset these people cause. In the case of old people's homes it will catch visitors and the odd resident etc.
It causes inconvenience and only comes about when people such as the OP have no respect for other peoples land. Hopefully it will cause him much inconvenience also. I'm sure his wife is pleased with him, and perhaps he should have looked harder for that signage when he parked.
OP for giggles show us where the car park is/was? Let's see how obvious it was?
I can tell you, having managed property that no-one appoints a parking contractor willingly. It happens after most practical and affordable solutions have been exhausted.
No one really wants the hassle and upset these people cause. In the case of old people's homes it will catch visitors and the odd resident etc.
It causes inconvenience and only comes about when people such as the OP have no respect for other peoples land. Hopefully it will cause him much inconvenience also. I'm sure his wife is pleased with him, and perhaps he should have looked harder for that signage when he parked.
OP for giggles show us where the car park is/was? Let's see how obvious it was?
While you guys are getting frothy over parking. I was actually thinking “How quaint someone actually still goes to a takeaway rather than have it delivered!”
Every evening all I see is loads of takeaway’s being delivered.
The social commentary post was also good. We seem now to be in the banning era because schools changed their ethos to empowerment and social media is so large you can only control by “official banning”.
As to parking the current system has too many issues to be fit for purpose and common sense is not common at all.
Every evening all I see is loads of takeaway’s being delivered.
The social commentary post was also good. We seem now to be in the banning era because schools changed their ethos to empowerment and social media is so large you can only control by “official banning”.
As to parking the current system has too many issues to be fit for purpose and common sense is not common at all.
Andy20vt said:
Mandalore said:
Most GENUINELY innocent people like myself who make a mistake, get their tickets overturned
You are talking absolute cobblers - try telling that to the millions of people who have been put through the mill despite having made a genuine mistake. These parking companies hound (bully) people to such an extent that most people dare not even appeal and just pay up out of fear or wanting it to go away. These companies make their money through fear and intimidation regardless of whether you parked correctly or not.Go to court and argue your case, take any evidence you have with you. Chances are the court might be sympathetic to you. If you don't go they will find against you. If you win ask for compensation for your time, £100 should suffice. Make sure you have all the information with you. It's not intimidating and usually very informal.
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