Driving Too Slowly Is Dangerous
Discussion
Back to the topic, slow drivers are a menace. Anyone who disagrees is probably one themselves.
Part of the parcel of passing ones test is driving with a decent standard, my instructor told me eons ago when I was doing a lesson once we were leaving a built up area. He said 'now we have left this place you can speed up to the national limit' . Competent drivers would not hog roads faffing about at 30 or 40 mph which is what I encounter daily. These people probably don't even look into the rear view mirror and see the horror unfolding behind them.
Having said that, I think a large portion of blame is with people refusing to overtake, whether it's a car faffing about or a truck or HGV - people seem content to sit behind such vehicles, thus obscuring vision even worse. It's just crap driving at the end of the day.
Part of the parcel of passing ones test is driving with a decent standard, my instructor told me eons ago when I was doing a lesson once we were leaving a built up area. He said 'now we have left this place you can speed up to the national limit' . Competent drivers would not hog roads faffing about at 30 or 40 mph which is what I encounter daily. These people probably don't even look into the rear view mirror and see the horror unfolding behind them.
Having said that, I think a large portion of blame is with people refusing to overtake, whether it's a car faffing about or a truck or HGV - people seem content to sit behind such vehicles, thus obscuring vision even worse. It's just crap driving at the end of the day.
InitialDave said:
The veteran car incident isn't really what the thread's about. He wasn't driving slower than he should have been, rather he was driving a very old, slow car, he made a mistake, and ended up on a road he shouldn't have been on.
If he were driving a modern car at that kind of pace in that situation, these comments would perhaps be justified. As it is, they come across as somewhat harsh in light of the result.
Agreed, the incident on the M23 yesterday is something of a red herring. The section of motorway was in 50mph limited roadworks with average speed monitoring. Looks as if he was hit from behind in lane 3 of 4. Approach to junction with M25, lanes 1&2 off slip to M25, 3&4 M23 towards Brighton.If he were driving a modern car at that kind of pace in that situation, these comments would perhaps be justified. As it is, they come across as somewhat harsh in light of the result.
BertBert said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
If everyone followed the rules, every vehicle, every cyclist, every pedestrian, surely no one would hit anything? Apart from natural causes, like falling trees and rocks, suicidal deer and the like.
That raises a very good question. How do we know that the system of rules is a perfect system that if followed means no accidents?It doesn't feel likely to me.
Bert
ericmcn said:
Back to the topic, slow drivers are a menace. Anyone who disagrees is probably one themselves.
my instructor told me 'now we have left this place you can speed up to the national limit' .
Flawed advice because it could be misinterpreted as assumption that you can speed up whatever the circumstances, worse it encourages driving at the limit which is not always advisable & infers the limit is a target.
These people probably don't even look into the rear view mirror and see the horror unfolding behind them.
Oh some do & love the idea of holding everybody up - there sole opportunity to have power & authority.
people seem content to sit behind such vehicles,
How true. On a clear road without turnings junctions or obstructions I had to reduce speed to 10mph in a 30 mph limit before some git overtook. Same again on a long straight country road not traffic etc & again about 20mph before some bint in a giant 4x4 bravely took on challenge of overtaking me. A glance as she passed by showed her gripping the steering wheel almost wetting herself with fear. They ( or their partners ) buy such dam vulgar things as a status symbol yet can't drive them
my instructor told me 'now we have left this place you can speed up to the national limit' .
Flawed advice because it could be misinterpreted as assumption that you can speed up whatever the circumstances, worse it encourages driving at the limit which is not always advisable & infers the limit is a target.
These people probably don't even look into the rear view mirror and see the horror unfolding behind them.
Oh some do & love the idea of holding everybody up - there sole opportunity to have power & authority.
people seem content to sit behind such vehicles,
How true. On a clear road without turnings junctions or obstructions I had to reduce speed to 10mph in a 30 mph limit before some git overtook. Same again on a long straight country road not traffic etc & again about 20mph before some bint in a giant 4x4 bravely took on challenge of overtaking me. A glance as she passed by showed her gripping the steering wheel almost wetting herself with fear. They ( or their partners ) buy such dam vulgar things as a status symbol yet can't drive them
some clips from my camera - terrible driving especially in the country roads. Its slightly better than navigating the motorway on a dail basis but still annoying to see people seemingly unable to perform overtake manouvres.
I wish the plod visited this kneck of the woods and pulled the 40mph'ers off the road
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7664055/S...
https://youtu.be/1r2BAuJJ33s
https://youtu.be/nsUtbP1j5EE
I wish the plod visited this kneck of the woods and pulled the 40mph'ers off the road
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7664055/S...
https://youtu.be/1r2BAuJJ33s
https://youtu.be/nsUtbP1j5EE
ericmcn said:
Not sure what those s
tty videos were trying to prove.ericmcn said:
some clips from my camera - terrible driving especially in the country roads.
Oh, it was you, but yes I agree your driving was pretty poor. PF62 said:
ericmcn said:
Not sure what those stty videos were trying to prove.ericmcn said:
some clips from my camera - terrible driving especially in the country roads.
Oh, it was you, but yes I agree your driving was pretty poor. JimSuperSix said:
BertBert said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
If everyone followed the rules, every vehicle, every cyclist, every pedestrian, surely no one would hit anything? Apart from natural causes, like falling trees and rocks, suicidal deer and the like.
That raises a very good question. How do we know that the system of rules is a perfect system that if followed means no accidents?It doesn't feel likely to me.
Bert
I can only assume everyone is driving some $hit box with a 30-80 time of 20 seconds to say they cant perform some overtake maneuvers, unless some bright spearks can explain otherwise.? That or everyone thinks its perfectly acceptable to dwaddle around roads doiing 30-40 mph which is just f**ked up
In one clip there is some moron in a Golf arsing around behind 2 vans which were doing 30-40 mph, that fool had ample opportunity to overtake said vans but refused to do so, this is rife all across the countryside.
In one clip there is some moron in a Golf arsing around behind 2 vans which were doing 30-40 mph, that fool had ample opportunity to overtake said vans but refused to do so, this is rife all across the countryside.
ericmcn said:
BertBert said:
Nice overtake at 5:14 with a car waiting to pull out from the right. Good shout.
who had the right of way?Highway Code said:
167
DO NOT overtake where you might come into conflict with other road users. For example
approaching or at a road junction on either side of the road
DO NOT overtake where you might come into conflict with other road users. For example
approaching or at a road junction on either side of the road
ericmcn said:
who had the right of way?
Wrong question.While I think you're a bit of a bell, I'm not inclined to bag on you for the sake of it, but in this case, there's an actual road safety factor involved: It doesn't f
king matter. Legally, yes, if you're driving on the major road vs a minor road that joins onto it, even when you're in the oncoming lane for an overtake, the cars on the minor road should wait at the junction for you.What matters is you shouldn't rely on this. Who's "right" or "wrong" when you're in a hospital bed and have a smashed-up car is largely irrelevant.
Drive in a way that accounts for how other people will behave.
ericmcn said:
who had the right of way?
They must give way to traffic on the road when joining. However if they had pulled out and you collided you would almost certainly have been held liable, if the police had been involved you could be prosecuted. None of which matters as much as the danger from an avoidable accident."DO NOT overtake where you might come into conflict with other road users. For example
approaching or at a road junction on either side of the road..."
Graveworm said:
They must give way to traffic on the road when joining. However if they had pulled out and you collided you would almost certainly have been held liable, if the police had been involved you could be prosecuted. None of which matters as much as the danger from an avoidable accident.
"DO NOT overtake where you might come into conflict with other road users. For example
approaching or at a road junction on either side of the road..."
anyone branching onto a main road HAS to yield to oncoming traffic. Are people on here dumb or something - or more likely accounting for most of the road hoggers in question."DO NOT overtake where you might come into conflict with other road users. For example
approaching or at a road junction on either side of the road..."
ericmcn said:
anyone branching onto a main road HAS to yield to oncoming traffic. Are people on here dumb or something - or more likely accounting for most of the road hoggers in question.
That's what I said. That doesn't take away your responsibilities either. From that footage pretty stone bonker WDC for the camera car. Car actually at the junction, no way to discount that a vehicle being overtaken won't turn right, falls well below what a competent driver would do. Powell V Moody is a pretty good precedent, overtaking driver is mainly to blame.
I would count as a road hogger if you classify those who almost never overtake on the approach to a junction. As an aside, at the point you started to overtake the "dawdlers" doing 40 was in a 40 limit.
Edited by Graveworm on Saturday 9th November 23:29
ericmcn said:
Graveworm said:
They must give way to traffic on the road when joining. However if they had pulled out and you collided you would almost certainly have been held liable, if the police had been involved you could be prosecuted. None of which matters as much as the danger from an avoidable accident.
"DO NOT overtake where you might come into conflict with other road users. For example
approaching or at a road junction on either side of the road..."
anyone branching onto a main road HAS to yield to oncoming traffic. Are people on here dumb or something - or more likely accounting for most of the road hoggers in question."DO NOT overtake where you might come into conflict with other road users. For example
approaching or at a road junction on either side of the road..."
vonhosen said:
ericmcn said:
Graveworm said:
They must give way to traffic on the road when joining. However if they had pulled out and you collided you would almost certainly have been held liable, if the police had been involved you could be prosecuted. None of which matters as much as the danger from an avoidable accident.
"DO NOT overtake where you might come into conflict with other road users. For example
approaching or at a road junction on either side of the road..."
anyone branching onto a main road HAS to yield to oncoming traffic. Are people on here dumb or something - or more likely accounting for most of the road hoggers in question."DO NOT overtake where you might come into conflict with other road users. For example
approaching or at a road junction on either side of the road..."
"But I had priority" isn't something I wish to have engraved on my headstone.
ericmcn said:
anyone branching onto a main road HAS to yield to oncoming traffic. Are people on here dumb or something - or more likely accounting for most of the road hoggers in question.
Are you for real? Quite frequently, these days, drivers waiting to turn right at junctions get stressed because they've waited more than 30 seconds, and will frequently edge out blocking traffic from their right despite the lane they are trying to join not being clear.
You surely aren't dumb enough to suggest that it's a good idea to just drive into the side of one of those idiots simply because you have "right of way"?
Oh, and you'll find that EVERYONE has the "right of way". The term you are scrabbling around for while trying to work out how to engineer your next "I couldn't see any s
t driving because the camera is facing the wrong way" video? That would be "Priority", not "right of way". And it pretty much doesn't matter what the statutory road signs and markings are telling you, you have to drive in such a fashion that you don't cause, or increase conflict with another road user. To put it another way, one of my instructors was fond of the saying "You can't safely TAKE priority, but you should always be prepared to cede priority if necessary, in the interests of safety".Edited by yellowjack on Sunday 10th November 02:41
ericmcn said:
some clips from my camera - terrible driving especially in the country roads
https://youtu.be/1r2BAuJJ33s
https://youtu.be/nsUtbP1j5EE
You might like to know your driving 'skills' are not being discussed on 'The "Sh*t Driving Caught On Cam" Thread (Vol 4)https://youtu.be/1r2BAuJJ33s
https://youtu.be/nsUtbP1j5EE
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