Driving Too Slowly Is Dangerous
Discussion
Psycho Warren said:
If the road conditions are good and traffic doesnt prohibit it, then in a modern vehicle, there is no excuse to be doing well below the speed limit in 30 or 40.
Should be a specific offence. When I took my test in the 90's, dawdling would get you failed - ie its not acceptable behaviour on the roads if it fails a driving test.
I see it so often on the way in to work, some retard doing 20-25 in a 30 for no reason. They must be aware of the que of drivers behind them unless they ar blind. Overtake and it usually provokes road rage of some form.
Their vehicle is capable of the speed limit safely, the conditions are appropriate to do up to the speed limit safely so there is no valid excuse to not do up to or at least almost the speed limit. excuses like "they might be old or disabled" are not acceptable, If you as a driver are not capable of driving at 30 in those described circumstances then you arent safe enough to have a license.
We (PHers) don't get to determine what is acceptable or not with regards to who gets a licence. We don't get to choose what gets prosecuted or not. We have to deal with the realities. We don't need to greatly concern ourselves with what you think, we do need to greatly concern ourselves with what the authorities think.Should be a specific offence. When I took my test in the 90's, dawdling would get you failed - ie its not acceptable behaviour on the roads if it fails a driving test.
I see it so often on the way in to work, some retard doing 20-25 in a 30 for no reason. They must be aware of the que of drivers behind them unless they ar blind. Overtake and it usually provokes road rage of some form.
Their vehicle is capable of the speed limit safely, the conditions are appropriate to do up to the speed limit safely so there is no valid excuse to not do up to or at least almost the speed limit. excuses like "they might be old or disabled" are not acceptable, If you as a driver are not capable of driving at 30 in those described circumstances then you arent safe enough to have a license.
The reality is that 60mph on a motorway is unlikely to see you getting reported for an offence where spotted by the authorities (on the basis that you are merely doing 60 in a 70 limit), but we know from the evidence that you will get actioned (be it a course, FPN or whatever) where you are spotted doing 80 in a 70 by them.
Also in a driving test small margins for extended periods below the limit is unlikely to see you fail a driving test, but an equally small margin above the limit for extended periods is likely to see you fail.
otolith said:
MKnight702 said:
Those that flash their lights and sit there saying you haven't achieved anything by overtaking me are wrong, I have achieved getting in front of them which then opens up opportunities to disappear into the distance, even if I have to overtake more people to do so, plus I have eliminated the chance for the dawdler to permit more slow vehicles to pull out in front of them decreasing my chances to make progress.
But, lacking the cognitive abilities to spot the bias, they will use those occasions when they did subsequently catch up with someone who overtook them to "prove" that overtaking doesn't get you there any faster because you just catch up later.It boils down to the fact that there are too many impatient people on the roads. Generally, if you want something nowadays, you can have it fairly quickly. People are like this when driving. They see anyone slower as an annoyance that is 'in their way', and stopping them from doing something they want to do at their speed.
See it a hell of a lot on the bicycle. People hardly ever leave enough overtaking room to squeeze by, will try to block me when filtering (because I'm 'pushing in'), and will do stupid maneouvres to get in-front of me even if we are approaching a queue.
I was in a supermarket earlier and someone pushed their pram wheel into my foot. They instantly apologised. Two blokes nudged into each other too. Both apologised and smiled and walked on.
If the above had happened in a motor vehicle, all hell would let lose. I don't know what it is about being surrounded by a tonne of metal, but it makes people really angry and impatient.
As for slower drivers, just wait for a clear run and pass them. Can't understand why people get so annoyed about others in a vehicle.
See it a hell of a lot on the bicycle. People hardly ever leave enough overtaking room to squeeze by, will try to block me when filtering (because I'm 'pushing in'), and will do stupid maneouvres to get in-front of me even if we are approaching a queue.
I was in a supermarket earlier and someone pushed their pram wheel into my foot. They instantly apologised. Two blokes nudged into each other too. Both apologised and smiled and walked on.
If the above had happened in a motor vehicle, all hell would let lose. I don't know what it is about being surrounded by a tonne of metal, but it makes people really angry and impatient.
As for slower drivers, just wait for a clear run and pass them. Can't understand why people get so annoyed about others in a vehicle.
vonhosen said:
otolith said:
MKnight702 said:
Those that flash their lights and sit there saying you haven't achieved anything by overtaking me are wrong, I have achieved getting in front of them which then opens up opportunities to disappear into the distance, even if I have to overtake more people to do so, plus I have eliminated the chance for the dawdler to permit more slow vehicles to pull out in front of them decreasing my chances to make progress.
But, lacking the cognitive abilities to spot the bias, they will use those occasions when they did subsequently catch up with someone who overtook them to "prove" that overtaking doesn't get you there any faster because you just catch up later.otolith said:
MKnight702 said:
Those that flash their lights and sit there saying you haven't achieved anything by overtaking me are wrong, I have achieved getting in front of them which then opens up opportunities to disappear into the distance, even if I have to overtake more people to do so, plus I have eliminated the chance for the dawdler to permit more slow vehicles to pull out in front of them decreasing my chances to make progress.
But, lacking the cognitive abilities to spot the bias, they will use those occasions when they did subsequently catch up with someone who overtook them to "prove" that overtaking doesn't get you there any faster because you just catch up later.Psycho Warren said:
I see it so often on the way in to work, some retard doing 20-25 in a 30 for no reason. They must be aware of the que of drivers behind them unless they ar blind. Overtake and it usually provokes road rage of some form.
This just proves my point, the fact that you would refer to someone using the term retard just because they might be doing 25mph in a 30 shows just how impatient, intolerant and how prone to massive over-reaction many people are today.Grow up.
funkyrobot said:
It boils down to the fact that there are too many impatient people on the roads. Generally, if you want something nowadays, you can have it fairly quickly. People are like this when driving. They see anyone slower as an annoyance that is 'in their way', and stopping them from doing something they want to do at their speed.
See it a hell of a lot on the bicycle. People hardly ever leave enough overtaking room to squeeze by, will try to block me when filtering (because I'm 'pushing in'), and will do stupid maneouvres to get in-front of me even if we are approaching a queue.
I was in a supermarket earlier and someone pushed their pram wheel into my foot. They instantly apologised. Two blokes nudged into each other too. Both apologised and smiled and walked on.
If the above had happened in a motor vehicle, all hell would let lose. I don't know what it is about being surrounded by a tonne of metal, but it makes people really angry and impatient.
As for slower drivers, just wait for a clear run and pass them. Can't understand why people get so annoyed about others in a vehicle.
Why not just sit behind the traffic if you are not one of these impatient's? See it a hell of a lot on the bicycle. People hardly ever leave enough overtaking room to squeeze by, will try to block me when filtering (because I'm 'pushing in'), and will do stupid maneouvres to get in-front of me even if we are approaching a queue.
I was in a supermarket earlier and someone pushed their pram wheel into my foot. They instantly apologised. Two blokes nudged into each other too. Both apologised and smiled and walked on.
If the above had happened in a motor vehicle, all hell would let lose. I don't know what it is about being surrounded by a tonne of metal, but it makes people really angry and impatient.
As for slower drivers, just wait for a clear run and pass them. Can't understand why people get so annoyed about others in a vehicle.
I've no issue with people driving at the speed limit, but when they can't maintain a constant speed or are all over the road and you can see they're on their phone or having an animated conversation with their passenger, then it really annoys me.
For many people the act of driving the car seems to be well down the list of priorities.
For many people the act of driving the car seems to be well down the list of priorities.
JimSuperSix said:
Psycho Warren said:
I see it so often on the way in to work, some retard doing 20-25 in a 30 for no reason. They must be aware of the que of drivers behind them unless they ar blind. Overtake and it usually provokes road rage of some form.
This just proves my point, the fact that you would refer to someone using the term retard just because they might be doing 25mph in a 30 shows just how impatient, intolerant and how prone to massive over-reaction many people are today.Grow up.
It's amazing how little slow drivers bother you when you've got bags of time.
Torquey said:
funkyrobot said:
It boils down to the fact that there are too many impatient people on the roads. Generally, if you want something nowadays, you can have it fairly quickly. People are like this when driving. They see anyone slower as an annoyance that is 'in their way', and stopping them from doing something they want to do at their speed.
See it a hell of a lot on the bicycle. People hardly ever leave enough overtaking room to squeeze by, will try to block me when filtering (because I'm 'pushing in'), and will do stupid maneouvres to get in-front of me even if we are approaching a queue.
I was in a supermarket earlier and someone pushed their pram wheel into my foot. They instantly apologised. Two blokes nudged into each other too. Both apologised and smiled and walked on.
If the above had happened in a motor vehicle, all hell would let lose. I don't know what it is about being surrounded by a tonne of metal, but it makes people really angry and impatient.
As for slower drivers, just wait for a clear run and pass them. Can't understand why people get so annoyed about others in a vehicle.
Why not just sit behind the traffic if you are not one of these impatient's? See it a hell of a lot on the bicycle. People hardly ever leave enough overtaking room to squeeze by, will try to block me when filtering (because I'm 'pushing in'), and will do stupid maneouvres to get in-front of me even if we are approaching a queue.
I was in a supermarket earlier and someone pushed their pram wheel into my foot. They instantly apologised. Two blokes nudged into each other too. Both apologised and smiled and walked on.
If the above had happened in a motor vehicle, all hell would let lose. I don't know what it is about being surrounded by a tonne of metal, but it makes people really angry and impatient.
As for slower drivers, just wait for a clear run and pass them. Can't understand why people get so annoyed about others in a vehicle.
It has nothing to do with being impatient.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
This ^^^....and leave earlier!!!
It's amazing how little slow drivers bother you when you've got bags of time.
Similar to the solution to not being able to find anywhere legal to park, just have loads of money. Life is much easier when you have loads of spare cash (or time), I don’t know why everyone doesn’t have them. It's amazing how little slow drivers bother you when you've got bags of time.
vonhosen said:
Also in a driving test small margins for extended periods below the limit is unlikely to see you fail a driving test, but an equally small margin above the limit for extended periods is likely to see you fail.
I got a minor doing my B+E test on the NSL at the right at the end of the test for lack of progress. It was probably about a quarter of the mile up the road from the junction. I was probably doing 40 or so (50 limit when towing).You can get lots of minors but it's what 3 minors for the same thing stacks up as a fail too?
meatballs said:
vonhosen said:
Also in a driving test small margins for extended periods below the limit is unlikely to see you fail a driving test, but an equally small margin above the limit for extended periods is likely to see you fail.
I got a minor doing my B+E test on the NSL at the right at the end of the test for lack of progress. It was probably about a quarter of the mile up the road from the junction. I was probably doing 40 or so (50 limit when towing).You can get lots of minors but it's what 3 minors for the same thing stacks up as a fail too?
meatballs said:
vonhosen said:
Also in a driving test small margins for extended periods below the limit is unlikely to see you fail a driving test, but an equally small margin above the limit for extended periods is likely to see you fail.
I got a minor doing my B+E test on the NSL at the right at the end of the test for lack of progress. It was probably about a quarter of the mile up the road from the junction. I was probably doing 40 or so (50 limit when towing).meatballs said:
You can get lots of minors but it's what 3 minors for the same thing stacks up as a fail too?
1) There is no such thing as a 'minor' (despite the term being used frequently), it's actually called a 'driving fault' (or a 'serious fault' or a 'dangerous fault').2) 16 driving faults is a fail, or 1 serious fault, or 1 dangerous fault.
3) Zero recorded driving faults doesn't mean it was perfect, because the examiner can spot what amounts to a fault (ie not the desired outcome in those circumstances), but it not be serious enough, when assessed using the tools of assessment, to amount to a driving fault.
4) The answer to '3 driving faults for the same thing stacks up as a fail too?' is, It can do, but it doesn't have to..........it depends.
vonhosen said:
I stand by what I said. I'm quite aware of how the assessing/marking process goes in DVSA tests as I was previously an examiner.
Ah I wasn't trying to say you were incorrect, speeding definitely a quicker way to fail your test. Just giving an example where examiners can and will pick up people going too slowly.
otolith said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
This ^^^....and leave earlier!!!
It's amazing how little slow drivers bother you when you've got bags of time.
Similar to the solution to not being able to find anywhere legal to park, just have loads of money. Life is much easier when you have loads of spare cash (or time), I don’t know why everyone doesn’t have them. It's amazing how little slow drivers bother you when you've got bags of time.
BertBert said:
It's quite interesting what a 30mph limit means to different people. For the bimblers it means slowly getting up to 28mph on the speedo and for the impatients it means doing 35 -38 on the speedo. They don't mix very well.
I've tried bimbling, especially in Mrs Bert's Zoe which tells you how well you've bimbled. It turns out I'm quite good at it and after a while it feels quite natural.
Bert
You can't bimble so well in Hackney or Islington who love their borough wide 20 zones... second gear everywhere burning more fuel, this is much better than 30 miles an hour and economical driving I've tried bimbling, especially in Mrs Bert's Zoe which tells you how well you've bimbled. It turns out I'm quite good at it and after a while it feels quite natural.
Bert
vonhosen said:
Also in a driving test small margins for extended periods below the limit is unlikely to see you fail a driving test, but an equally small margin above the limit for extended periods is likely to see you fail.
I actually failed my first driving test for speeding. I was concentrating on checking the mirror and all the other stuff you need to do and apparently got to 32 in a 30mph limit. FiF said:
Precisely, I do a fair few miles out in the sticks on windy and undulating roads where I genuinely could go quicker. Except the dog's in the back, and while it's possible to punt an off roader down said roads quicker, he doesn't appreciate it and eventually I'd be cleaning up some puke.
Therefore on the rare occasions get someone behind wanting to go quicker, look for a place and assist their pass. It's not difficult.
Having said that, even though I'm driving what is to me fairly sedately prioritising smoothness along with safety, obviously, it's surprising how few catch me up and want to go quicker, except in the village 30's that is, also obviously. :sigh:
I mostly drive rural roads in a 1970 land rover, so i don't go much more than 55 mph ever. I find on the national speed limit roads very few people catch me up, yet as soon as i get into a 30 or 40 mph limit they overtake me. I will try to let people pass if they look like they need to, you then find they can't go that fast if they are not tailgating someoneTherefore on the rare occasions get someone behind wanting to go quicker, look for a place and assist their pass. It's not difficult.
Having said that, even though I'm driving what is to me fairly sedately prioritising smoothness along with safety, obviously, it's surprising how few catch me up and want to go quicker, except in the village 30's that is, also obviously. :sigh:
The Li-ion King said:
BertBert said:
It's quite interesting what a 30mph limit means to different people. For the bimblers it means slowly getting up to 28mph on the speedo and for the impatients it means doing 35 -38 on the speedo. They don't mix very well.
I've tried bimbling, especially in Mrs Bert's Zoe which tells you how well you've bimbled. It turns out I'm quite good at it and after a while it feels quite natural.
Bert
You can't bimble so well in Hackney or Islington who love their borough wide 20 zones... second gear everywhere burning more fuel, this is much better than 30 miles an hour and economical driving I've tried bimbling, especially in Mrs Bert's Zoe which tells you how well you've bimbled. It turns out I'm quite good at it and after a while it feels quite natural.
Bert
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