Parked Car No Insurance
Discussion
irocfan said:
Sten. said:
OP - why does it bother you?
by that metric why bother reporting any crime?N7GTX said:
The elderly neighbour - 75 yrs old and his wife who is receiving a lot of treatment for manic depression - shouldn't have to put up with abuse when they take the dog for a walk. Its bad when the 12 year old daughter has to tell her mother to stop shouting and swearing in the street.
The police have annoyed me with their stance on this particularly as their Facebook pages are currently showing pictures of cars in the next street that they have seized for no insurance. And the roads policing team or whatever they are called have in the last month seized some 392 cars.
Not quite sure how it's going to help the old folks though.The police have annoyed me with their stance on this particularly as their Facebook pages are currently showing pictures of cars in the next street that they have seized for no insurance. And the roads policing team or whatever they are called have in the last month seized some 392 cars.
N7GTX said:
The police have annoyed me with their stance on this particularly as their Facebook pages are currently showing pictures of cars in the next street that they have seized for no insurance. And the roads policing team or whatever they are called have in the last month seized some 392 cars.
The photos on the Police social media accounts of vehicles being seized are likely to have been stopped whilst being driven, so that the officers can establish with the driver/owner if there is insurance in force, or traders policy, or a new policy, or a hopeless broker, or an error.With a vehicle parked and unattended on a road, showing no insurance details on MID or on the Police PNC database, means questions would have to be asked of the owner regarding insurance. Simply not showing as insured on either database is not soley in itself enough grounds for seizure.
So, is the car registered to someone next door? is that person likely to be found there so can be spoken to?
If the car is registered to someone in another town, or god forbid, another police area, then the follow up enquiry is less likely to be done.
If it's registered to somewhere in the Metropolitan Police area, then no enquiry will be done, and that car will remain sat where it is.
As annoying as it is to you, and your elderly neighbour, there are likely to be more pressing incidents to deal with, but maybe ask that the enquiry be passed to the local PCSO.
Kuji said:
borcy said:
CooperS said:
borcy said:
I don't get these people that have driveways yet still park on the road all the time.
We have it at ours. Everyone has a driveway for 2 to 3 cars. But theres those who park in front of their house. .... Doesn't affect us other than clutters what otherwise is a nice road N7GTX said:
A neighbour who has a long boundary on a corner plot has 3 cars. They have 2 driveways and a garage. They park their cars equally spaced to prevent anyone else parking on the road outside their house. They actually guide each other to ensure no other car can fit between them. They have put up No Parking signs on the fence as well.
The 2 family cars are taxed, tested and insured. The 3rd car is taxed and tested and when it first appeared 3 months ago was insured. After a couple of weeks it showed as uninsured. A neighbour (elderly 75 year old) reported them to the police for no insurance and for blocking the pavement (its parked half on it). He has to walk his dog in the road due to the hedge sticking out. Some action must have been taken by the police as the car owner gave him abuse. She is very loud and sweary. The car then showed as insured.
Move on a month and the car is uninsured again. So I reported it to west Yorkshire police using live chat on 101 for no insurance (there is a big campaign for uninsured cars here with plenty on Facebook). The call handler said it was not a police matter and I should report it to the council as an abandoned vehicle. The council said it was a police matter. So I contacted them again and this time they said I had to report it to DVLA. They said that as the car is taxed it is a police matter. So I try again to be told the same again. I asked to speak to a supervisor or manager to resolve this and she said the same - unless the car is being driven then there is no offence. I had by now found the Road Traffic Act 1988 Section 143 which says the car must be insured.
I've done a search on here and it seems to agree that parking on the road is classed as using the road so insurance is required. A check with Citizens Advice agrees as does the government's own website and the RAC website. Speaking to the neighbour seems a no go. My wife saw her kicking at a cat sleeping under their hedge. My wife told her not to and she went into a rage about cats and the elderly neighbour. Even her 12 year old daughter told her to calm down and stop swearing. So what can I do to resolve the problem?
Honestly why would you take the time to check on mot/tax and mid on someone else's car??? So what if no one else can park outside their house? The 2 family cars are taxed, tested and insured. The 3rd car is taxed and tested and when it first appeared 3 months ago was insured. After a couple of weeks it showed as uninsured. A neighbour (elderly 75 year old) reported them to the police for no insurance and for blocking the pavement (its parked half on it). He has to walk his dog in the road due to the hedge sticking out. Some action must have been taken by the police as the car owner gave him abuse. She is very loud and sweary. The car then showed as insured.
Move on a month and the car is uninsured again. So I reported it to west Yorkshire police using live chat on 101 for no insurance (there is a big campaign for uninsured cars here with plenty on Facebook). The call handler said it was not a police matter and I should report it to the council as an abandoned vehicle. The council said it was a police matter. So I contacted them again and this time they said I had to report it to DVLA. They said that as the car is taxed it is a police matter. So I try again to be told the same again. I asked to speak to a supervisor or manager to resolve this and she said the same - unless the car is being driven then there is no offence. I had by now found the Road Traffic Act 1988 Section 143 which says the car must be insured.
I've done a search on here and it seems to agree that parking on the road is classed as using the road so insurance is required. A check with Citizens Advice agrees as does the government's own website and the RAC website. Speaking to the neighbour seems a no go. My wife saw her kicking at a cat sleeping under their hedge. My wife told her not to and she went into a rage about cats and the elderly neighbour. Even her 12 year old daughter told her to calm down and stop swearing. So what can I do to resolve the problem?
Its not even moving, just parked there. Let them get on with their lives and you get on with yours.
Remember... The rainforests are still burning...
^^^^ with responses like this, no wonder the place is littered with uninsured cars. 
The car is parked directly outside the owner's house. How hard is it for a police officer/PCSO to actually get out of the car, knock at the door and ask if they have insurance for it when they attended originally? Oh wait, it was raining, silly me.
They were not that busy then if they sent a car round.
The officer(s) is quoted by the call centre as saying, "Our officers have been out and checked that this vehicle is not blocking the road, therefore no offences are being commited, this vehicle is not being used. It is the officers decision on this."
That, I think about sums it up.
The car is parked directly outside the owner's house. How hard is it for a police officer/PCSO to actually get out of the car, knock at the door and ask if they have insurance for it when they attended originally? Oh wait, it was raining, silly me.
They were not that busy then if they sent a car round. The officer(s) is quoted by the call centre as saying, "Our officers have been out and checked that this vehicle is not blocking the road, therefore no offences are being commited, this vehicle is not being used. It is the officers decision on this."
That, I think about sums it up.
sounds like you've taken all available steps legally.
anything else and you'll just wind up the klampetts who live there.
suggestions to wind them up:
Buy a very small car or quadricycle and park in between the cars
use a trolley jack and some wheel stands to move a car
work with neighbors to block the cars they use in.
guy a gallon of maggots from the local angling supplier and use a small funnel to let them through the door seals etc...
anything else and you'll just wind up the klampetts who live there.
suggestions to wind them up:
Buy a very small car or quadricycle and park in between the cars
use a trolley jack and some wheel stands to move a car
work with neighbors to block the cars they use in.
guy a gallon of maggots from the local angling supplier and use a small funnel to let them through the door seals etc...
bimsb6 said:
Kuji said:
borcy said:
CooperS said:
borcy said:
I don't get these people that have driveways yet still park on the road all the time.
We have it at ours. Everyone has a driveway for 2 to 3 cars. But theres those who park in front of their house. .... Doesn't affect us other than clutters what otherwise is a nice road But, that statement is trotted out every time somebody complains about their neighbour parking in the space nearest their front door -often only because it happens to be where they wish to park.
andburg said:
sounds like you've taken all available steps legally.
anything else and you'll just wind up the klampetts who live there.
suggestions to wind them up:
Buy a very small car or quadricycle and park in between the cars
use a trolley jack and some wheel stands to move a car
work with neighbors to block the cars they use in.
guy a gallon of maggots from the local angling supplier and use a small funnel to let them through the door seals etc...
All good but naughty suggestions. anything else and you'll just wind up the klampetts who live there.
suggestions to wind them up:
Buy a very small car or quadricycle and park in between the cars
use a trolley jack and some wheel stands to move a car
work with neighbors to block the cars they use in.
guy a gallon of maggots from the local angling supplier and use a small funnel to let them through the door seals etc...
HantsRat said:
but with the current cuts and low officer numbers I very much doubt that would be high up on their agenda.
Kuji said:
But, that statement is trotted out every time
Spot on Kuji, almost as much as 'lessons will be learnt' I suppose it's all down to being bothered and they can't be if they want an easy life ?
Especially the more jaded ones due to constantly being let down by the judicial system.
I'm sure they'll be someone along shortly to tell me the prisons are always full
xjay1337 said:
The thing about the neighbours spacing their car screams middle aged and entitled f
k wits. Nothing you can really do. You can't talk to those kinds of people.
I would just leave it and go about your own business. Some people are just scum.
19 posts.k wits. Nothing you can really do. You can't talk to those kinds of people.I would just leave it and go about your own business. Some people are just scum.
That's not bad going for a thread like this. 19 posts before the word "scum" is used.
Pretty good going.
Get old of an old st box Luton van with a weeks mot left, park it in front of the offending house, then register it at the said house.
1. They won’t be happy
2. They won’t be happy when they have to explain to DVLA that it does not belong to them.
(Just idea I hope I will never have to put in to action in my Meldrew retirement years)
t box Luton van with a weeks mot left, park it in front of the offending house, then register it at the said house.1. They won’t be happy
2. They won’t be happy when they have to explain to DVLA that it does not belong to them.
(Just idea I hope I will never have to put in to action in my Meldrew retirement years)
Kuji said:
bimsb6 said:
Kuji said:
borcy said:
CooperS said:
borcy said:
I don't get these people that have driveways yet still park on the road all the time.
We have it at ours. Everyone has a driveway for 2 to 3 cars. But theres those who park in front of their house. .... Doesn't affect us other than clutters what otherwise is a nice road But, that statement is trotted out every time somebody complains about their neighbour parking in the space nearest their front door -often only because it happens to be where they wish to park.
Update: Professional Standards called this morning. They will send a patrol car to deal with this problem. If the owner does not remove it and declare it SORN they will take the 'appropriate action'. They have also apologised for the call centre staff giving the wrong information and training will be given.
Parking a car on the road is using it - you do not need to be driving and by its presence on the road it is causing an obstruction. Job done.
Parking a car on the road is using it - you do not need to be driving and by its presence on the road it is causing an obstruction. Job done.
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