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markjmd said:
They have, and quantities of them have been getting murdered in far-flung corners of the world for just as long. I've never understood it myself, particularly the ones who go off completely alone on these sorts of trips.
This is New Zealand! Our homicide rate is about 1.5 times theirs and in most countries tourists are less likely to be murdered than the indigenous. She was far less likely to be murdered there than if she stayed here. A few obvious exceptions aside, the risk of being murdered is trivial compared to many other risks we routinely accept. For example in 2017 132 Americans were murdered abroad when 56 million travelled. Much safer than staying at home.
Edited by Graveworm on Wednesday 6th November 20:09
markjmd said:
They have, and quantities of them have been getting murdered in far-flung corners of the world for just as long. I've never understood it myself, particularly the ones who go off completely alone on these sorts of trips.
You’re right, there’s no chance of getting murdered in BritainPeople die at home or abroad. It shouldn’t stop anyone from wanting to travel somewhere which is typically safe (for instance New Zealand)
Graveworm said:
markjmd said:
They have, and quantities of them have been getting murdered in far-flung corners of the world for just as long. I've never understood it myself, particularly the ones who go off completely alone on these sorts of trips.
This is New Zealand! Our homicide rate is about 1.5 times theirs and in most countries tourists are less likely to be murdered than the indigenous. She was far less likely to be murdered there than if she stayed here. A few obvious exceptions aside, the risk of being murdered is trivial compared to many other risks we routinely accept. For example in 2017 132 Americans were murdered abroad when 56 million travelled. Much safer than staying at home.
Edited by Graveworm on Wednesday 6th November 20:09
dukeboy749r said:
Totally bizarre - no idea what the reference to the blue pill was meant to infer......
These days it tends to be a reference to the film "The Matrix": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_pill_and_blue_pi...Basically, take the red pill and you will be awakened to the harsh reality of the "real" World, in all its ugliness.
Take the blue pill, and be completely oblivious as to how harsh and ugly the real World can be.
Graveworm said:
markjmd said:
They have, and quantities of them have been getting murdered in far-flung corners of the world for just as long. I've never understood it myself, particularly the ones who go off completely alone on these sorts of trips.
This is New Zealand! Our homicide rate is about 1.5 times theirs and in most countries tourists are less likely to be murdered than the indigenous. She was far less likely to be murdered there than if she stayed here. A few obvious exceptions aside, the risk of being murdered is trivial compared to many other risks we routinely accept. For example in 2017 132 Americans were murdered abroad when 56 million travelled. Much safer than staying at home.
lyonspride said:
Graveworm said:
markjmd said:
They have, and quantities of them have been getting murdered in far-flung corners of the world for just as long. I've never understood it myself, particularly the ones who go off completely alone on these sorts of trips.
This is New Zealand! Our homicide rate is about 1.5 times theirs and in most countries tourists are less likely to be murdered than the indigenous. She was far less likely to be murdered there than if she stayed here. A few obvious exceptions aside, the risk of being murdered is trivial compared to many other risks we routinely accept. For example in 2017 132 Americans were murdered abroad when 56 million travelled. Much safer than staying at home.
You're not making sense. Nor are you showing any perspective.
Some people just live in a world of narrow horizons and are timid and risk averse, even when the measurable risk is small. Thousands of students go backpacking. Only a very few get murdered.
What is this thread about anyway? Is it just a bit of prurient true crime glomming? More suited for NPE, perhaps?
What is this thread about anyway? Is it just a bit of prurient true crime glomming? More suited for NPE, perhaps?
BlackTails said:
lyonspride said:
Graveworm said:
markjmd said:
They have, and quantities of them have been getting murdered in far-flung corners of the world for just as long. I've never understood it myself, particularly the ones who go off completely alone on these sorts of trips.
This is New Zealand! Our homicide rate is about 1.5 times theirs and in most countries tourists are less likely to be murdered than the indigenous. She was far less likely to be murdered there than if she stayed here. A few obvious exceptions aside, the risk of being murdered is trivial compared to many other risks we routinely accept. For example in 2017 132 Americans were murdered abroad when 56 million travelled. Much safer than staying at home.
You're not making sense. Nor are you showing any perspective.
This is the problem, in the UK we know what's good, what's bad, what seems dodgy, but when these kids go off to another country they seem to unquestioningly trust everyone they meet.
Mercky said:
dukeboy749r said:
BlackWidow13 said:
lyonspride said:
The whole thing is very sad, yet another backpacker from a middle class background, who has swallowed the blue pill and naively gone off around the world without a care.
When is this going to stop? How many more need to die?
Bizarre post. When is this going to stop? How many more need to die?
As far as I can recall students have been taking either gap year or end of study trips for generations.
4rephill said:
These days it tends to be a reference to the film "The Matrix": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_pill_and_blue_pi...
Basically, take the red pill and you will be awakened to the harsh reality of the "real" World, in all its ugliness.
Take the blue pill, and be completely oblivious as to how harsh and ugly the real World can be.
Basically, take the red pill and you will be awakened to the harsh reality of the "real" World, in all its ugliness.
Take the blue pill, and be completely oblivious as to how harsh and ugly the real World can be.
lyonspride said:
I didn't say she went to a country with a high crime rate, i'm saying she got into a situation she would not have done in the UK, and trusted people she would not have done in the UK.
This is the problem, in the UK we know what's good, what's bad, what seems dodgy, but when these kids go off to another country they seem to unquestioningly trust everyone they meet.
You implied she went to a place with a high crime rate. This is the problem, in the UK we know what's good, what's bad, what seems dodgy, but when these kids go off to another country they seem to unquestioningly trust everyone they meet.
You are making a lot of presumptuous claims about her state of mind, based on you thinking you know what she was thinking, and how her thinking changed once she went abroad, all of which are nonsense.
She hooked up with a guy on tinder and ended up dead. That can happen in any country, including here.
Edited by BlackTails on Thursday 7th November 12:14
lyonspride said:
I didn't say she went to a country with a high crime rate, i'm saying she got into a situation she would not have done in the UK, and trusted people she would not have done in the UK.
This is the problem, in the UK we know what's good, what's bad, what seems dodgy, but when these kids go off to another country they seem to unquestioningly trust everyone they meet.
Absolutely right. We would never allow dating Apps like Tinder in the UK. This is the problem, in the UK we know what's good, what's bad, what seems dodgy, but when these kids go off to another country they seem to unquestioningly trust everyone they meet.
To be honest I think all suspects names should be protected until any trial is complete, this then prevents the sometimes ridiculous speculation and character assassination in newspapers and social media that inevitably arises.
In this case it’s clear that the suspect did kill her, the only question seems to be if it’s murder or accidental.
What I find a bit strange seems to be the emphasis today on their movements on that night and various cctv sightings. I can’t see as any of this is relevant as it doesn’t seem to be under any dispute. Maybe if they had anything of him ‘disposing’ of the body it might be relevant but I can’t see what going over their every movement prior to getting to his flat proves.
In this case it’s clear that the suspect did kill her, the only question seems to be if it’s murder or accidental.
What I find a bit strange seems to be the emphasis today on their movements on that night and various cctv sightings. I can’t see as any of this is relevant as it doesn’t seem to be under any dispute. Maybe if they had anything of him ‘disposing’ of the body it might be relevant but I can’t see what going over their every movement prior to getting to his flat proves.
Green1man said:
To be honest I think all suspects names should be protected until any trial is complete, this then prevents the sometimes ridiculous speculation and character assassination in newspapers and social media that inevitably arises.
In this case it’s clear that the suspect did kill her, the only question seems to be if it’s murder or accidental.
What I find a bit strange seems to be the emphasis today on their movements on that night and various cctv sightings. I can’t see as any of this is relevant as it doesn’t seem to be under any dispute. Maybe if they had anything of him ‘disposing’ of the body it might be relevant but I can’t see what going over their every movement prior to getting to his flat proves.
The relevance is that the video footage shows them about to leave the casino. Police ask the accused where he/she went. He said I went this way, she went that way. It was a lie. It’s part of building a case. They knew many aspects and want to determine if the accused is a liar. He is and there is no chance he is doing anything less than life in prison. Regardless as to what happened on that night. You have to be sick in the head to Keep a body in your room and manage to sleep the following night. In this case it’s clear that the suspect did kill her, the only question seems to be if it’s murder or accidental.
What I find a bit strange seems to be the emphasis today on their movements on that night and various cctv sightings. I can’t see as any of this is relevant as it doesn’t seem to be under any dispute. Maybe if they had anything of him ‘disposing’ of the body it might be relevant but I can’t see what going over their every movement prior to getting to his flat proves.
It’s a very sad case and the poor family must be going through hell.
TVRnutcase said:
T'ank yer kindly, sor.poolsman said:
Mercky said:
dukeboy749r said:
BlackWidow13 said:
lyonspride said:
The whole thing is very sad, yet another backpacker from a middle class background, who has swallowed the blue pill and naively gone off around the world without a care.
When is this going to stop? How many more need to die?
Bizarre post. When is this going to stop? How many more need to die?
As far as I can recall students have been taking either gap year or end of study trips for generations.
- if you are going to correct someone, at least correct them correctly...Burwood said:
Green1man said:
To be honest I think all suspects names should be protected until any trial is complete, this then prevents the sometimes ridiculous speculation and character assassination in newspapers and social media that inevitably arises.
In this case it’s clear that the suspect did kill her, the only question seems to be if it’s murder or accidental.
What I find a bit strange seems to be the emphasis today on their movements on that night and various cctv sightings. I can’t see as any of this is relevant as it doesn’t seem to be under any dispute. Maybe if they had anything of him ‘disposing’ of the body it might be relevant but I can’t see what going over their every movement prior to getting to his flat proves.
The relevance is that the video footage shows them about to leave the casino. Police ask the accused where he/she went. He said I went this way, she went that way. It was a lie. It’s part of building a case. They knew many aspects and want to determine if the accused is a liar. He is and there is no chance he is doing anything less than life in prison. Regardless as to what happened on that night. You have to be sick in the head to Keep a body in your room and manage to sleep the following night. In this case it’s clear that the suspect did kill her, the only question seems to be if it’s murder or accidental.
What I find a bit strange seems to be the emphasis today on their movements on that night and various cctv sightings. I can’t see as any of this is relevant as it doesn’t seem to be under any dispute. Maybe if they had anything of him ‘disposing’ of the body it might be relevant but I can’t see what going over their every movement prior to getting to his flat proves.
It’s a very sad case and the poor family must be going through hell.
It's a very effective tactic.
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