Discussion
singlecoil said:
AIUI she went, after an acquaintance best measured in minutes, to this man's hotel room. This strikes me as inherently risky behaviour, but is it commonplace these days? I ask as I have been happily married for over thirty years, and know little about how such things work now.
It's not unusual. Tinder is an online dating app based purely on matching people based on physical appearance. Young, attractive, unattached people like to have sex with similar people and, safe sex precautions taken, that doesn't normally lead to anything 'bad' happening. However, there has to be an element of self-protection deployed. Get a phone number, tell a friend where you are going and what time you expect to be back. Get them to raise the alarm if you do not make contact by a designated time. I'm not sure how many of these things Grace Millane did, but it seems the NZ Police were onto him pretty quickly.
It must be incredibly difficult for her parents to sit in court and listen to him. I very much hope he is convicted and spends the rest of his life in prison. Absolute psycho material. Would not be surprised if he turns out as having low-level previous form, this his big escalation in offending.
lyonspride said:
There is the irony, they don't become experienced, their travels just (if not kill them) reinforce their fluffy rainbows view of the world, "and oh look there's a poor person, let's get a selfie, that'll make them feel better".
Don't even get me started on voluntourism........... https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1526430/Gap-year-...
The distinguishing feature of the reactionary pub ranters who make up 97% of the non car bits of PH is that they combine joylessness, ignorance, timidity, and misanthropy in roughly equal measures. This they seek to justify by claiming to be weary realists, although their reality tends on analysis to be a reality obtained via tabloids and self affirming pub chats. Sometimes the pub is a golf club, and that rarely improves things. If I had such a negative view of the world as that lot of GOGs, I would jump off it. Don't even get me started on voluntourism........... https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1526430/Gap-year-...
Breadvan72 said:
The distinguishing feature of the reactionary pub ranters who make up 97% of the non car bits of PH is that they combine joylessness, ignorance, timidity, and misanthropy in roughly equal measures. This they seek to justify by claiming to be weary realists, although their reality tends on analysis to be a reality obtained via tabloids and self affirming pub chats. Sometimes the pub is a golf club, and that rarely improves things. If I had such a negative view of the world as that lot of GOGs, I would jump off it.
And yet despite all that most of them are still a country mile behind you in superior sanctimony.Breadvan72 said:
Or these made up stereotypes could stay in the UK ..................
Isn't part of the point of the OPs Q that the made up stereotype of the "murdered abroad backpacker" if they hadn't gone abroad couldn't be a "murdered abroad backpacker" and of course the stereotype cant stay in the UK as they were murdered abroad.Anyway, talking of stereotypes and stereotypes always exists for a reason, even though the Works Diversity and Inclusion HR Nazis say otherwise, what happened to lorry drivers murdering ladies of the night in laybyes and wrapping their bodies in carpet. Has the driving CPC failed to teach that skill and the trend of laminate floorboard lead to a lack of carpet for bodies, or has Tinder etc killed off laybye rpmance?
I have a friend who has let an airbnb flat he has to two Aussie (*) backpackers and has found out through Tinder "how they are paying for their trip, in hourly segments"! Desperately trying to extricate himselff, so the risks for the downunders to fall for similar here as the lass in the original story are probably 50:50.
So worldwide the risk cancels out, but the 99.9999% of the "non murdered abroad backpackers that get back home" have a much more enlightened view of the world and become even more dynamic and productive members of the UK economy.
(I know trying to say Aussies = NZeders is like saying Northern Scots = Catalans, but generalisms exist for a reason).
The Mad Monk said:
Greshamst said:
I really feel sorry for the parents. Having to hear the man who murdered your daughter tell what are most likely lies, that she was asking to be choked and requesting rough sex.
Perhaps the parents shouldn't have attended court to get further upset?As i would imagine with most fathers, his daughter was the apple of his eye.
He thinks they will get some sort of closure from this, whether they will, i don’t know, but i hope they can get through it as a couple.
Aluminati said:
The Mad Monk said:
Greshamst said:
I really feel sorry for the parents. Having to hear the man who murdered your daughter tell what are most likely lies, that she was asking to be choked and requesting rough sex.
Perhaps the parents shouldn't have attended court to get further upset?As i would imagine with most fathers, his daughter was the apple of his eye.
He thinks they will get some sort of closure from this, whether they will, i don’t know, but i hope they can get through it as a couple.
The prosecution does not need to prove intent to murder. Only that the accused actions would be likely to cause death. We will see but throttling someone for 4-5 minutes is pretty likely to cause death.
She may have encouraged the rough actions but my thoughts are she met a psycho who took full advantage and was a murderer in the making. He is a dangerous individual and a compulsive liar.
She may have encouraged the rough actions but my thoughts are she met a psycho who took full advantage and was a murderer in the making. He is a dangerous individual and a compulsive liar.
Your summary of the law of murder would not be correct if the case were proceeding in England or Wales. New Zealand law may perhaps have developed so as to be different to English law (it has done so in some areas such as the tort of negligence). I have not looked up NZ law on murder, so cannot say.
Breadvan72 said:
Your summary of the law of murder would not be correct if the case were proceeding in England or Wales. New Zealand law may perhaps have developed so as to be different to English law (it has done so in some areas such as the tort of negligence). I have not looked up NZ law on murder, so cannot say.
Subtle differences in NZ. I lived there for 28 years and know a bit about the Law (NZ) 
Here's the funny thing, had the media shown us photos of this young lady in BDSM gear, brandishing a whip, instead of a smiley happy photo that her parents would be proud of....... And the killer in a photo of him smiling, looking all friendly, instead of a police mugshot, the speculation over this case would be entirely flipped upside down.
lyonspride said:
Here's the funny thing, had the media shown us photos of this young lady in BDSM gear, brandishing a whip, instead of a smiley happy photo that her parents would be proud of....... And the killer in a photo of him smiling, looking all friendly, instead of a police mugshot, the speculation over this case would be entirely flipped upside down.
That's a pretty stupid thing to say.Burwood said:
lyonspride said:
Here's the funny thing, had the media shown us photos of this young lady in BDSM gear, brandishing a whip, instead of a smiley happy photo that her parents would be proud of....... And the killer in a photo of him smiling, looking all friendly, instead of a police mugshot, the speculation over this case would be entirely flipped upside down.
That's a pretty stupid thing to say.What needs to happen in this case, is people need to stop speculating on it until the courts have done their thing............
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