Political censorship by old Bill.
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Etypephil said:
meatballs said:
Standing up worked well for milkround...
Better to comply and complain afterwards than risk arrest, or the officer not liking your tone and finding another issue to screw you over with.
This is why in the original post I stated that the cop should be fired and prosecuted; to set an example to, what I trust, is the minority who believe that their word is law, and that they must be obeyed without question.Better to comply and complain afterwards than risk arrest, or the officer not liking your tone and finding another issue to screw you over with.
Do you think that is proportionate ?
If he's in the wrong perhaps an apology and retraining/ brushing up on the law would be more appropriate ...
Red 4 said:
Etypephil said:
meatballs said:
Standing up worked well for milkround...
Better to comply and complain afterwards than risk arrest, or the officer not liking your tone and finding another issue to screw you over with.
This is why in the original post I stated that the cop should be fired and prosecuted; to set an example to, what I trust, is the minority who believe that their word is law, and that they must be obeyed without question.Better to comply and complain afterwards than risk arrest, or the officer not liking your tone and finding another issue to screw you over with.
Do you think that is proportionate ?
If he's in the wrong perhaps an apology and retraining/ brushing up on the law would be more appropriate ...
Fatball said:
The cop was way over the top but then so is the OP wanting him fired and prosecuted. Shows that it’s easily done.
Quite agree. Reprimand yes, but firing the cop for gross misconduct and prosecuting for misconduct in public office is ridiculous.Edited by Escort3500 on Thursday 28th November 07:36
Etypephil said:
Red 4 said:
Etypephil said:
meatballs said:
Standing up worked well for milkround...
Better to comply and complain afterwards than risk arrest, or the officer not liking your tone and finding another issue to screw you over with.
This is why in the original post I stated that the cop should be fired and prosecuted; to set an example to, what I trust, is the minority who believe that their word is law, and that they must be obeyed without question.Better to comply and complain afterwards than risk arrest, or the officer not liking your tone and finding another issue to screw you over with.
Do you think that is proportionate ?
If he's in the wrong perhaps an apology and retraining/ brushing up on the law would be more appropriate ...
Etypephil said:
Yes, I do; if we are expected to have respect for the law, then the law and its representatives must earn it, not demand it. Ours cops should not behave as those on American TV programmes, and we do not need those whose judgement is so poor that they believe bullying the public is acceptable.
Respect is not driving around in a car with offensive words all over it, the copper was applying his common sense and discretion allowing the driver to remove it avoiding a public order ticket.Well done copper your work is appreciated.
TheRealNoNeedy said:
Etypephil said:
Yes, I do; if we are expected to have respect for the law, then the law and its representatives must earn it, not demand it. Ours cops should not behave as those on American TV programmes, and we do not need those whose judgement is so poor that they believe bullying the public is acceptable.
Respect is not driving around in a car with offensive words all over it, the copper was applying his common sense and discretion allowing the driver to remove it avoiding a public order ticket.Well done copper your work is appreciated.
ks to Brexit" is purposely inflammatory, it's not illegal. And yes, I'm old enough to remember the Sex Pistols case and gleefully quoted it to my father when he objected to my use of the word.longblackcoat said:
The police officer was demonstrating why he'll never reach the senior ranks - he clearly doesn't know much about this aspect of the law.
That's quite an odd perspective.Do you think that "senior ranks" know everything about the law ?
We used to have (very) senior officers doing the rounds - and actually venturing outside their ivory towers and doing an operational shift or two - around Christmas and New Year.
One of them couldn't even remember the caution.
PS There are no promotion exams above Inspector.
Red 4 said:
longblackcoat said:
The police officer was demonstrating why he'll never reach the senior ranks - he clearly doesn't know much about this aspect of the law.
That's quite an odd perspective.Do you think that "senior ranks" know everything about the law ?
We used to have (very) senior officers doing the rounds - and actually venturing outside their ivory towers and doing an operational shift or two - around Christmas and New Year.
One of them couldn't even remember the caution.
PS There are no promotion exams above Inspector.
Edited by Greendubber on Thursday 28th November 11:09
Red 4 said:
That's quite an odd perspective.
Do you think that "senior ranks" know everything about the law ?
We used to have (very) senior officers doing the rounds - and actually venturing outside their ivory towers and doing an operational shift or two - around Christmas and New Year.
One of them couldn't even remember the caution.
PS There are no promotion exams above Inspector.
There is the strategic command course, along with others they will likely do, which are not trivial, definitely pass fail and include legislation; some include a surprising amount of front line content. It's that powers and policy box in the pesky NDM. Do you think that "senior ranks" know everything about the law ?
We used to have (very) senior officers doing the rounds - and actually venturing outside their ivory towers and doing an operational shift or two - around Christmas and New Year.
One of them couldn't even remember the caution.
PS There are no promotion exams above Inspector.
That said, academically it could be worse for a career PC, who will not have had to pass an exam since their probation. It's not the exams, it's not using perishable skills.
Edited by Graveworm on Thursday 28th November 11:20
Red 4 said:
longblackcoat said:
The police officer was demonstrating why he'll never reach the senior ranks - he clearly doesn't know much about this aspect of the law.
That's quite an odd perspective.Do you think that "senior ranks" know everything about the law ?
We used to have (very) senior officers doing the rounds - and actually venturing outside their ivory towers and doing an operational shift or two - around Christmas and New Year.
One of them couldn't even remember the caution.
PS There are no promotion exams above Inspector.
Graveworm said:
Red 4 said:
That's quite an odd perspective.
Do you think that "senior ranks" know everything about the law ?
We used to have (very) senior officers doing the rounds - and actually venturing outside their ivory towers and doing an operational shift or two - around Christmas and New Year.
One of them couldn't even remember the caution.
PS There are no promotion exams above Inspector.
There is the senior command course along with others they will likely do, which are not trivial, definitely pass fail and include legislation; some include a surprising amount of front line content. It's that powers and policy box in the pesky NDM. Do you think that "senior ranks" know everything about the law ?
We used to have (very) senior officers doing the rounds - and actually venturing outside their ivory towers and doing an operational shift or two - around Christmas and New Year.
One of them couldn't even remember the caution.
PS There are no promotion exams above Inspector.
That said, academically it could be worse for a career PC, who will not have had to pass an exam since their probation. It's not the exams, it's not using perishable skills.
Usually, it seems, with the intention of furthering their careers post retirement from the force.
The point I was trying to make is that a probationer ( sorry, Student Officer ) fresh out of training will probably have more knowledge of basic, bread and butter offences than someone with bird s
t on his hat/ epaulettes.Pothole said:
I assume you've got a plan...
Without wishing to write an essay, perhaps cops should be intelligent, well educated, respectable members of society, with a desire to protect and serve the public, and sufficient self discipline not to allow personal prejudice to affect their duties. I believe that the vast majority still are, but the few disreputable idiots make life more difficult for the former, and should be dumped when caught out, prosecuted if they have broken the law, not get away with it, or be quietly pensioned off.Breadvan72 said:
My concern is that many young police officers appear to have an authoritarian mind set and attitude when dealing with citizens.
In part due to the lack of experienced old 'uns to show them the ropes and how to treat people. Edited by Bigends on Thursday 28th November 12:56
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