edinburgh airport- drop off fine
Discussion
Hol said:
So, the Airport have decided to put in a restriction, and presumably appointed the PC to enforce it.
Not unlike any other service or outsourcing agreement.
They are unable to as the airport operates within byelaws. Therefore for private parking to operate it has to be classed as relevant land. This is not relevant land as it is covered with byelaws and also Road Traffic Act. The only way a "contravention" can be enforced is for breach of byelaw which only the airport can do, not a private company. The parking company VCS offer to waive any potential prosecution by paying them £60/£100. Sailing close to the wind for bribery Not unlike any other service or outsourcing agreement.
Edited by Hol on Friday 6th December 16:24
How does all this sit with the 10 minutes "grace period" that usually applies with private parking - i.e. that you drive in, then have 10 minutes to read the signs, check if there's spaces and so on, and leave without being charged if you don't agree with the T& C's?
It's a bit like at Cardiff airport before it changed, £1 for 5 minutes or so - but once you started driving down the road to the drop off or pickup bit there's no way to turn round (and of course, the signs with the charges are right at the end!)
It seems unfair they give you no opportunity to make you aware of charges and restrictions before you pass the point of no return. Its common at airports but not anywhere else!
It's a bit like at Cardiff airport before it changed, £1 for 5 minutes or so - but once you started driving down the road to the drop off or pickup bit there's no way to turn round (and of course, the signs with the charges are right at the end!)
It seems unfair they give you no opportunity to make you aware of charges and restrictions before you pass the point of no return. Its common at airports but not anywhere else!
Happy days OP. Well done on phoning up and getting it sorted out. I’m sure tons of people must just roll over and pay. As I said already, I recently had two of these overturned so I’m pleased as punch you got it cancelled.
The Mad Monk, yes sir, I understand how the swear filter works here. I have been reading PH since the days when Soovy had his Porsche and Nolar Dog used to post.
I’m not sure if I offended you as you didn’t say that. Sincere apologies if I did.
It is precisely because of the filter that I swore, knowing that those words won’t actually appear. I’m on a few motorbike forums where there is no filter and consequently no zero swear words. A Gentleman's board!
I am far from a prude but I chose not to read forums with no filter reading all the effing and jeffing with the c word used in every sentence.
I may have missed your point, in which case please send me a f
king parrot! 
The Mad Monk, yes sir, I understand how the swear filter works here. I have been reading PH since the days when Soovy had his Porsche and Nolar Dog used to post.
I’m not sure if I offended you as you didn’t say that. Sincere apologies if I did.
It is precisely because of the filter that I swore, knowing that those words won’t actually appear. I’m on a few motorbike forums where there is no filter and consequently no zero swear words. A Gentleman's board!
I am far from a prude but I chose not to read forums with no filter reading all the effing and jeffing with the c word used in every sentence.
I may have missed your point, in which case please send me a f
king parrot! Unbusy said:
The Mad Monk, yes sir, I understand how the swear filter works here. I have been reading PH since the days when Soovy had his Porsche and Nolar Dog used to post.
I’m not sure if I offended you as you didn’t say that. Sincere apologies if I did.
You didn't offend me. No offence has been taken.I’m not sure if I offended you as you didn’t say that. Sincere apologies if I did.
I made the point about swearing on PH because to me it seems a completely pointless activity.
I swear when appropriate and in the right circumstances and company.
If you find it a relief to type those words, even though you know they won't be printed, then so be it.
The whole thing has only been brought on as the airport have a rank for their own operators cars who pay handsomely to be there and have the captive market
The. Issue was Edinburgh taxi drivers were running into the drop off point at busy times and being hailed by passengers not wanting to wait in the queue
The. Issue was Edinburgh taxi drivers were running into the drop off point at busy times and being hailed by passengers not wanting to wait in the queue
pavarotti1980 said:
Hol said:
So, the Airport have decided to put in a restriction, and presumably appointed the PC to enforce it.
Not unlike any other service or outsourcing agreement.
They are unable to as the airport operates within byelaws. Therefore for private parking to operate it has to be classed as relevant land. This is not relevant land as it is covered with byelaws and also Road Traffic Act. The only way a "contravention" can be enforced is for breach of byelaw which only the airport can do, not a private company. The parking company VCS offer to waive any potential prosecution by paying them £60/£100. Sailing close to the wind for bribery Not unlike any other service or outsourcing agreement.
Edited by Hol on Friday 6th December 16:24
Hol said:
Do you actually have any proof, that a legal agreement cannot be put on place, or is this another opinion?
You don't need proof. Parking/stopping is covered with byelaws. Therefore a private company cannot enforce elements of the byelaw for financial gain in lieu of prosecution by the airport. It's called bribery (or whatever the offence is in Scotland). Same applies to railway stations.Don't forget legislation for parking (POFA 2012) is not applicable in Scotland either to hold keeper liable
Tony1963 said:
This thread goes some way to reminding me why I don’t do airports anymore. Hateful, greedy, nasty places that ruin any joy of travel.
Yep. They totally ruin holidays for me. We could go to all sorts of places living close to Bristol but I just cannot abide the place.I'm off to Madeira next week, grudgingly flying from Bristol but I am not in any way looking forward to the holiday. I'm going because the wife deserves a holiday and she doesn't mind the airport. If it were my choice alone I'd be staying in the UK or taking a ferry and then driving.
SCEtoAUX said:
Tony1963 said:
This thread goes some way to reminding me why I don’t do airports anymore. Hateful, greedy, nasty places that ruin any joy of travel.
Yep. They totally ruin holidays for me. We could go to all sorts of places living close to Bristol but I just cannot abide the place.I'm off to Madeira next week, grudgingly flying from Bristol but I am not in any way looking forward to the holiday. I'm going because the wife deserves a holiday and she doesn't mind the airport. If it were my choice alone I'd be staying in the UK or taking a ferry and then driving.
Seriously, nobody likes airports but there a means to an end.
Plymo said:
How does all this sit with the 10 minutes "grace period" that usually applies with private parking - i.e. that you drive in, then have 10 minutes to read the signs, check if there's spaces and so on, and leave without being charged if you don't agree with the T& C's?
It's a bit like at Cardiff airport before it changed, £1 for 5 minutes or so - but once you started driving down the road to the drop off or pickup bit there's no way to turn round (and of course, the signs with the charges are right at the end!)
It seems unfair they give you no opportunity to make you aware of charges and restrictions before you pass the point of no return. Its common at airports but not anywhere else!
I went into such a trap at Aberdeen airport. I was looking for somewhere to park to pick up passengers and having never been there before, accidentally drove into the lane for the express drop off area.It's a bit like at Cardiff airport before it changed, £1 for 5 minutes or so - but once you started driving down the road to the drop off or pickup bit there's no way to turn round (and of course, the signs with the charges are right at the end!)
It seems unfair they give you no opportunity to make you aware of charges and restrictions before you pass the point of no return. Its common at airports but not anywhere else!
I did realise right away what I had done but of course it’s all a one way system and the only way out is through the pay barrier. Even if you don’t agree to the terms and conditions which you are expected to be able to read from a moving vehicle, tough s
t as you can’t turn round.At the barrier I did press the help button to speak to someone to tell them I hadn’t stopped to use the facilities and wanted out without paying, and their cameras would be able to verify this, but of course it was “I’m sorry sir, you will need to pay. By entering the area you have accepted the terms and conditions, and there’s nothing we can do, etc”
Similar at Stansted. I was dropping off my daughter and at a roundabout in sight of the terminal followed the signs for Passenger Drop Off. Realising this was leading to the long stay car park area, I went round again and followed Express Passenger Drop Off, which was at the doors of the terminal building. I think it was £3 for 5 minutes, then £1 a minute thereafter.
Not surprisingly the surrounding roads were full of cars parked on the grass verge, no doubt awaiting a phone call that their passengers were ready to be picked up.
Not surprisingly the surrounding roads were full of cars parked on the grass verge, no doubt awaiting a phone call that their passengers were ready to be picked up.
Edinburgh Airport drop off zone has always been a nightmare. About 4yrs ago I travelled frequently from there, and going straight from the office our company used to pay for taxis. And this was before the separate drop off and pick up points. But it was still located in the ground floor of the multi storey car park.
Myself and the boss were dropped off by taxi, and the driver had stopped in an area that the marshall in hi viz obviously wasn't pleased with. The place was busy and a bit of a free for all with cars all over the place.
The first I knew there was an issue, was my door got hauled open, (I was the rear seat passenger), by the hi viz guy, and he tried to grab me to pull me out the taxi shouting that we couldn't stop there! I told him in no uncertain terms to get his hands off me, and if he had a problem to go and speak to the driver. In the resulting fracas, the taxi nearly drove off with our laptops and luggage still in the back.
Absolutely shocking behaviour by staff, even if the driver had stopped in the wrong area, and why target the passengers? Had I been a tourist or foreign business traveller using the airport, it wouldn't have left me with a very good impression of Scotland. And all because of some jumped up cretin in a hi viz jacket.
Myself and the boss were dropped off by taxi, and the driver had stopped in an area that the marshall in hi viz obviously wasn't pleased with. The place was busy and a bit of a free for all with cars all over the place.
The first I knew there was an issue, was my door got hauled open, (I was the rear seat passenger), by the hi viz guy, and he tried to grab me to pull me out the taxi shouting that we couldn't stop there! I told him in no uncertain terms to get his hands off me, and if he had a problem to go and speak to the driver. In the resulting fracas, the taxi nearly drove off with our laptops and luggage still in the back.
Absolutely shocking behaviour by staff, even if the driver had stopped in the wrong area, and why target the passengers? Had I been a tourist or foreign business traveller using the airport, it wouldn't have left me with a very good impression of Scotland. And all because of some jumped up cretin in a hi viz jacket.
I parked in the short term car park at Edinburgh as the person I was dropping off had a couple of hours before flight. We had a meal then I returned to car and could not find my ticket for the machine. I spoke to the operator through the machine and he said “don’t worry” just drive to the gate and I’ll let you out. I thought I was in for at least a days charge, but no.... free, gratis, for nothing.
rallycross said:
I don’t like using this word but the s running Edinburgh airport deserve being locked up.
Welcome to Scotland / it’s £5 for a trolley and £5 for your friends / family to pick you up, stopping for 30 seconds in Scotland ? Well it’s going to cost you ....
or why not pay £30 for a very short cab ride?
or £5 for the bus?
Welcome to Edinburgh.
We love tourists - we bleed them dry,
Yours
Edinburgh district council.
(Glad I moved away years ago).
We bought a business in Scotland a few years back, and I spent far too long travelling through EDI. A shocker of an airport. I used to tweet them and Nicola Sturgeon every time there was an issue. She blocked me, Glasgow Airport started following me s running Edinburgh airport deserve being locked up.Welcome to Scotland / it’s £5 for a trolley and £5 for your friends / family to pick you up, stopping for 30 seconds in Scotland ? Well it’s going to cost you ....
or why not pay £30 for a very short cab ride?
or £5 for the bus?
Welcome to Edinburgh.
We love tourists - we bleed them dry,
Yours
Edinburgh district council.
(Glad I moved away years ago).
It was so difficult to do business there we transferred it all to England and closed the site down
The only answer to the problem is to buy the Showground and build something from scratch that is fit for purpose.
However, even if the land could be bought, the chances of anything being built that didn't replicate the monetise every step a traveller takes approach is nil.
Every UK airport is the same. Ever since some idiot worked out that impeding the progress of customers with retail was too good an opportunity to forgo, we've been screwed. The moment security had to be tightened on top of this, hell was guaranteed.
Canada, somehow, manages to build some airports that are light, airy, have shops in close proximity but not in your face, plenty of seating and consequently don't make a journey a nightmare. Granted they have plenty of space to work with, but equally they don't think its a great idea to remove all the seats at a departure gate and replace it with a Yo Sushi.
However, even if the land could be bought, the chances of anything being built that didn't replicate the monetise every step a traveller takes approach is nil.
Every UK airport is the same. Ever since some idiot worked out that impeding the progress of customers with retail was too good an opportunity to forgo, we've been screwed. The moment security had to be tightened on top of this, hell was guaranteed.
Canada, somehow, manages to build some airports that are light, airy, have shops in close proximity but not in your face, plenty of seating and consequently don't make a journey a nightmare. Granted they have plenty of space to work with, but equally they don't think its a great idea to remove all the seats at a departure gate and replace it with a Yo Sushi.
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