Medium Swiss army knife with locking blade
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RizzoTheRat said:
I always used to have Opinels as a kid (farmers son not gang member) as being able to lock the blade did feel safer to me.
I've always had Swiss Army Climber's since then, but these days penknife tends to stay at home unless I'm camping. I'm surprised they make ones with locking blades though given the legal issues as multi tool knifes like that aren't really the tool of choice for someone who's going to be using a knife heavily as the mechanisms for the rest of the blade/tools can easily get jammed up with crud.
My father always had pocket knives with locking blades, and usually 3 or 4 dotted around in different places. He died this summer and this has now got me wondering what happened to them. I doubt 75 year old mother is carrying one around in handbag but anything is possible.
The UK is only one market for knives, I'm assuming that the rest of the world don't outlaw small pocket tools with a locking mechanism. I've always had Swiss Army Climber's since then, but these days penknife tends to stay at home unless I'm camping. I'm surprised they make ones with locking blades though given the legal issues as multi tool knifes like that aren't really the tool of choice for someone who's going to be using a knife heavily as the mechanisms for the rest of the blade/tools can easily get jammed up with crud.
My father always had pocket knives with locking blades, and usually 3 or 4 dotted around in different places. He died this summer and this has now got me wondering what happened to them. I doubt 75 year old mother is carrying one around in handbag but anything is possible.
Pica-Pica said:
I have a folding work knife (Stanley-type blade) that locks. I would not worry carrying that as long as I could justify carrying it from A to B.
That's absolutely fine.As long as you carry it with the rest of your work tools, then the police won't be any more interested in it that they would be in your tape measure or spirit level.
I would, however, suggest that having a locking knife in your pocket whilst walking down the High Street is inviting problems.
Telling the officer that you are on your way to fit a carpet at your Mum's house won't work. He will have heard it a hundred times before. I certainly have.
As the entry point for sentencing is the imposition of 6 months' imprisonment, with a range from 3 months up to 1 year, then you need to be pretty confident that your "good reason" for carrying a locking knife is good enough, as you will probably be telling the magistrates about it.
Pat H said:
Pica-Pica said:
I have a folding work knife (Stanley-type blade) that locks. I would not worry carrying that as long as I could justify carrying it from A to B.
That's absolutely fine.As long as you carry it with the rest of your work tools, then the police won't be any more interested in it that they would be in your tape measure or spirit level.
I would, however, suggest that having a locking knife in your pocket whilst walking down the High Street is inviting problems.
Telling the officer that you are on your way to fit a carpet at your Mum's house won't work. He will have heard it a hundred times before. I certainly have.
As the entry point for sentencing is the imposition of 6 months' imprisonment, with a range from 3 months up to 1 year, then you need to be pretty confident that your "good reason" for carrying a locking knife is good enough, as you will probably be telling the magistrates about it.
Edited by Bigends on Monday 9th December 13:12
Breadvan72 said:
Times must be be tough in PBDOMC World, or maybe the price of 'roids and weights have gone up, if you can only afford one pair of trousers.
Walking around London with a knife like that sounds to me a bit Walt-Ray Mears/Grizzly Adams . Do you have a rugged and manly beard and an aspect of calm competence?
It's easily done, though. I have a freebie locking Stanley blade carrier (a gift from the Hesco company)...Walking around London with a knife like that sounds to me a bit Walt-Ray Mears/Grizzly Adams . Do you have a rugged and manly beard and an aspect of calm competence?
Edited by Breadvan72 on Sunday 8th December 20:00
edit to show image of the actual knife in question
...that normally lives in my toolbox and has been used a great deal around the house while we do DIY after a recent move. Then a few days ago it wasn't in it's regular place in the toolbox, so a search was mounted and it turned up in my jacket pocket. Then we remembered why - I'd used it to trim an annoying loose fibre from the hallway carpet just as we'd been preparing to leave the house. Pop it (closed up, obviously) into my pocket while I lock the front door, meaning to open the garage and put it back where it belonged almost immediately, then get distracted (usually by having to go back into the house to retrieve the car keys from the kitchen) and forget it's in my pocket. OK, I'm not the sort who normally attracts attention from Old Bill, but if for some reason I'm caught carrying it I'm floundering for "reasonable excuse" really, and I'm not good at quick-thinking lies to cover stuff up. It had probably been in my pocket over a week, as best we could remember, including trips to the shops and walking my wife to and from work in the wee small hours. I'd probably get arrested too if Old Bill knocked my front door, as this locking craft knife quite often sits in the coin tray in the front hallway (in full view of someone peaking in through the side window) "waiting for me to put it back in the garage". Which, incidentally, is how it came to be so close at hand for trimming that errant bit of carpet in the first place...
Edited by yellowjack on Monday 9th December 13:21
silverthorn2151 said:
I have changed my leatherman that I carry to one they now produce that doesn't have a knife blade.
I have a reason to carry one as a building surveyor but there is no doubt that being able to lock the blade open makes them illegal to carry.
Just not worth taking the chance.
I carry a Gerber one around in my work bag (also a building surveyor) which has a locking blade. I figure I have good reason for needing it although I probably have more chance of being hit by lightning than having to justify carrying it to plod. I have a reason to carry one as a building surveyor but there is no doubt that being able to lock the blade open makes them illegal to carry.
Just not worth taking the chance.
768 said:
AndrewCrown said:
Solved
The gentleman in question was convicted of something much more serious a little later, the Police were clearly on to him...
They did him for a penknife in a glovebox as part of trying to get him for child rape offences from 30+ years ago?The gentleman in question was convicted of something much more serious a little later, the Police were clearly on to him...
Of course any search etc still needs to be justified and lawful.
One of the main points is the whole taking 'innocent pensioner who used his knife for caravanning' on face value is always risky.
For anyone carrying any kind of knife be careful if you are coming into London, a lot more random screenings going on at stations at the moment, you'll just arrive to find the Police there with sniffer dogs and screening arches with no chance of exiting any other way, they lifted a load of people at my station the other night (mainly drugs it seems rather than knives)
La Liga said:
768 said:
AndrewCrown said:
Solved
The gentleman in question was convicted of something much more serious a little later, the Police were clearly on to him...
They did him for a penknife in a glovebox as part of trying to get him for child rape offences from 30+ years ago?The gentleman in question was convicted of something much more serious a little later, the Police were clearly on to him...
Of course any search etc still needs to be justified and lawful.
One of the main points is the whole taking 'innocent pensioner who used his knife for caravanning' on face value is always risky.
ked up as far as I'm concerned.I have a locking knife bought for me 50 years ago. It is in my toolbox and never carried round. It was with me when I was a Boy Scout though!
I have two SAKs. One on a retractable “ zinger” on my fishing vest.
The other used to be carried in my pocket but now in the car tool roll. Both chosen for the onboard tools. Non locking.
Surely the basis that needs to be remembered is the legality?
It is illegal to be in possession without a valid reason.
Similar to mobile phone usage in a vehicle.
The law exists so if you break it tough luck.
Why the NEED to live on the edge and carry it?
I have two SAKs. One on a retractable “ zinger” on my fishing vest.
The other used to be carried in my pocket but now in the car tool roll. Both chosen for the onboard tools. Non locking.
Surely the basis that needs to be remembered is the legality?
It is illegal to be in possession without a valid reason.
Similar to mobile phone usage in a vehicle.
The law exists so if you break it tough luck.
Why the NEED to live on the edge and carry it?
Pat H said:
768 said:
But a traffic stop because of an ongoing child rape investigation from 30+ years ago? If that's happening, someone's fked up as far as I'm concerned.
Yep.ked up as far as I'm concerned.The defendant.
This thread intrigues me, in the cubby box in my Defender is my old diving knife, it has been there for over 10 years. Both of my kids took their driving test with it between them and the examiner, they then used the car to go to school.
I have used the knife countless times for all sorts of things but would be unable to say it is there for anything specific.
Far less useful but with a blade of more than 3 inches and locking is a pen knife in the cubby box of my Full Fatt.
Should I surrender myself to the local police station.
I have used the knife countless times for all sorts of things but would be unable to say it is there for anything specific.
Far less useful but with a blade of more than 3 inches and locking is a pen knife in the cubby box of my Full Fatt.
Should I surrender myself to the local police station.
Pat H said:
Pica-Pica said:
I have a folding work knife (Stanley-type blade) that locks. I would not worry carrying that as long as I could justify carrying it from A to B.
That's absolutely fine.As long as you carry it with the rest of your work tools, then the police won't be any more interested in it that they would be in your tape measure or spirit level.
I would, however, suggest that having a locking knife in your pocket whilst walking down the High Street is inviting problems.
Telling the officer that you are on your way to fit a carpet at your Mum's house won't work. He will have heard it a hundred times before. I certainly have.
As the entry point for sentencing is the imposition of 6 months' imprisonment, with a range from 3 months up to 1 year, then you need to be pretty confident that your "good reason" for carrying a locking knife is good enough, as you will probably be telling the magistrates about it.
Dixy said:
This thread intrigues me...........Should I surrender myself to the local police station.
It certainly seems like you need to ask the question of how much do you need the knife & is it worth the risk - albeit a very small risk.I think I'll be ditching the non-locking knives from my cars.
Dixy said:
This thread intrigues me, in the cubby box in my Defender is my old diving knife, it has been there for over 10 years. Both of my kids took their driving test with it between them and the examiner, they then used the car to go to school.
I have used the knife countless times for all sorts of things but would be unable to say it is there for anything specific.
Far less useful but with a blade of more than 3 inches and locking is a pen knife in the cubby box of my Full Fatt.
Should I surrender myself to the local police station.
No but if you're stopped or reported the likelihood is that you or your kids will be going to Court - as my friend's son did.I have used the knife countless times for all sorts of things but would be unable to say it is there for anything specific.
Far less useful but with a blade of more than 3 inches and locking is a pen knife in the cubby box of my Full Fatt.
Should I surrender myself to the local police station.
He too had carried his knife for years, without incident and has an impeccable history.
I have owned one of these for years - https://www.victorinox.com/uk/en/Products/Swiss-Ar... and although called a 'Picknicker' it is no longer legal to take to a picknick!
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