Medium Swiss army knife with locking blade

Medium Swiss army knife with locking blade

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V8RX7

26,895 posts

264 months

Sunday 8th December 2019
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Mario149 said:
V8RX7 said:
Devon and Cornwall police said officers had concerns there was a “potential danger”.
Would seem to me this is the key bit. I like to think no plod in their right might would pursue a locking swiss army knife in a glovebox with other emergency bits in the sticks unless there was potentially something else going on.
I bet that's what he thought

"Mr Knowles, a grandfather-of-four from Newton Abbot, Devon, was charged after police stopped him in his car in February. The keen caravanner used the multi-function knife for picnics during camping trips in the countryside with his wife.
Police discovered it alongside a torch, maps and a first aid kit when they searched Mr Knowles’s car after he had passed a roadside breath test."

He sounds like a real danger to society

Mario149

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7,758 posts

179 months

Sunday 8th December 2019
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V8RX7 said:
He sounds like a real danger to society
Well he is a caravanner wink

Pat H

8,056 posts

257 months

Sunday 8th December 2019
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Mario149 said:
V8RX7 said:
He sounds like a real danger to society
Well he is a caravanner wink
Probably failed the attitude test.

Mario149

Original Poster:

7,758 posts

179 months

Sunday 8th December 2019
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Pat H said:
Mario149 said:
V8RX7 said:
He sounds like a real danger to society
Well he is a caravanner wink
Probably failed the attitude test.
Like I said, caravanner biggrin

Bigends

5,424 posts

129 months

Sunday 8th December 2019
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The disabled caravanner was below the drink drive limit when tested at the roadside so wasnt arrested

I wonder what the grounds for searching his car were?

Terzo123

4,320 posts

209 months

Sunday 8th December 2019
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Bigends said:
The disabled caravanner was below the drink drive limit when tested at the roadside so wasnt arrested

I wonder what the grounds for searching his car were?
That's is indeed the question.

There clearly were grounds, otherwise he wouldnt have been convicted, as the search would have been unlawful. Unfortunately this part has been ommitted from the story.

Bigends

5,424 posts

129 months

Sunday 8th December 2019
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Terzo123 said:
Bigends said:
The disabled caravanner was below the drink drive limit when tested at the roadside so wasnt arrested

I wonder what the grounds for searching his car were?
That's is indeed the question.

There clearly were grounds, otherwise he wouldnt have been convicted, as the search would have been unlawful. Unfortunately this part has been ommitted from the story.
If he'd been driving down the road waving it at other drivers, or he'd threatened someone with it or someone had reported him as having the knife - then there would be grounds

Terzo123

4,320 posts

209 months

Sunday 8th December 2019
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Bigends said:
If he'd been driving down the road waving it at other drivers, or he'd threatened someone with it or someone had reported him as having the knife - then there would be grounds
That wouldnt fit with the narrative of the news report though would it? smile

Bigends

5,424 posts

129 months

Sunday 8th December 2019
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Terzo123 said:
Bigends said:
If he'd been driving down the road waving it at other drivers, or he'd threatened someone with it or someone had reported him as having the knife - then there would be grounds
That wouldnt fit with the narrative of the news report though would it? smile
No. Unless the driver raised the grounds for the search as unlawful ( he wouldnt have known whether it was or not) then its unlikely an issue would have been made of the search in court. Also, why the offensive weapon rather than bladed article charge? Must be more to this

Edited by Bigends on Sunday 8th December 22:38

joropug

2,588 posts

190 months

Sunday 8th December 2019
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Out of interest what constitutes a locking knife? I only have a SAK, the blade folds out and kinda pings into place but folds in by hand.

I presume the locking ones require a button press of some description?

Mine is this :
https://www.victorinox.com/uk/en/Products/Swiss-Ar...

defblade

7,438 posts

214 months

Ayahuasca

27,427 posts

280 months

Sunday 8th December 2019
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Mario149 said:
Mario149 said:
MiseryStreak said:
That Gerber 600 looks good. Decent price as well. Very tempting....
At the risk of re-opening a can of worms, gov site state states that locking knives are one that you need to push a button to close: https://www.gov.uk/buying-carrying-knives

Gerbers from memory you just open the blade and hold the handles together to use it, no button push required to unlock the blade and fold away....

That said, carrying a Gerber in your pocket must weigh a ton so not massively practical in this context hehe
What about Opinels where you have to twist a collar to lock it?

defblade

7,438 posts

214 months

Sunday 8th December 2019
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Ayahuasca said:
What about Opinels where you have to twist a collar to lock it?
Not EDC legal frown

Some Guy

2,124 posts

92 months

Sunday 8th December 2019
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Non locking blades are held open by the pressure of the back spring on the heel of the blade.
Locking knives use a physical lock to hold the blade open.
Disable the lock and you get a floppy blade
No one likes a droopy tool.

Conversion is a waste of time. look for a different Swiss army knife.

Edited by Some Guy on Sunday 8th December 23:36

SlimJim16v

5,677 posts

144 months

Sunday 8th December 2019
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Mario149 said:
At the risk of re-opening a can of worms, gov site state states that locking knives are one that you need to push a button to close: https://www.gov.uk/buying-carrying-knives
Written, approved and published by a completely fking clueless idiot. Anything that stops the blade from closing just by folding is illegal unless good reason.

AndrewCrown

2,287 posts

115 months

Sunday 8th December 2019
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Bigends said:
Terzo123 said:
Bigends said:
The disabled caravanner was below the drink drive limit when tested at the roadside so wasnt arrested

I wonder what the grounds for searching his car were?
That's is indeed the question.

There clearly were grounds, otherwise he wouldnt have been convicted, as the search would have been unlawful. Unfortunately this part has been ommitted from the story.
If he'd been driving down the road waving it at other drivers, or he'd threatened someone with it or someone had reported him as having the knife - then there would be grounds
Solved

The gentleman in question was convicted of something much more serious a little later, the Police were clearly on to him...

AndrewCrown

2,287 posts

115 months

Sunday 8th December 2019
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V8RX7 said:
I bet that's what he thought

"Mr Knowles, a grandfather-of-four from Newton Abbot, Devon, was charged after police stopped him in his car in February. The keen caravanner used the multi-function knife for picnics during camping trips in the countryside with his wife.
Police discovered it alongside a torch, maps and a first aid kit when they searched Mr Knowles’s car after he had passed a roadside breath test."

He sounds like a real danger to society
He certainly was

anonymous-user

55 months

Monday 9th December 2019
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V8RX7 said:
Mario149 said:
V8RX7 said:
Devon and Cornwall police said officers had concerns there was a “potential danger”.
Would seem to me this is the key bit. I like to think no plod in their right might would pursue a locking swiss army knife in a glovebox with other emergency bits in the sticks unless there was potentially something else going on.
I bet that's what he thought

"Mr Knowles, a grandfather-of-four from Newton Abbot, Devon, was charged after police stopped him in his car in February. The keen caravanner used the multi-function knife for picnics during camping trips in the countryside with his wife.
Police discovered it alongside a torch, maps and a first aid kit when they searched Mr Knowles’s car after he had passed a roadside breath test."

He sounds like a real danger to society
Quite:

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/child-rapist...

768

13,695 posts

97 months

Monday 9th December 2019
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AndrewCrown said:
Solved

The gentleman in question was convicted of something much more serious a little later, the Police were clearly on to him...
They did him for a penknife in a glovebox as part of trying to get him for child rape offences from 30+ years ago?

The Mad Monk

10,474 posts

118 months

Monday 9th December 2019
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768 said:
AndrewCrown said:
Solved

The gentleman in question was convicted of something much more serious a little later, the Police were clearly on to him...
They did him for a penknife in a glovebox as part of trying to get him for child rape offences from 30+ years ago?
Perhaps, apart from any previous, he failed the attitude test?