Medium Swiss army knife with locking blade

[V8RX7]

The case I was searching for was a retired Officier who IIRC was asked if he would mind his car being searched - he agreed and they found a lock knife, in his car.

He was charged and convicted.

Both were before the current sentencing guidelines but I believe even wiithout a sentence, simply being convicted affects jobs and travel to the USA etc

[take-good-care-of-the-forest-dewey]

I can understand (but disagree) with the illegality of carrying on one's person, but getting charged for having one in your car seems bizzare.

Not sure how that passes the public interest test.

Surely the law should be a vehicle by which to deal with gang related knife crime. Frustrating the lack of proportionality.

[V8RX7]

take-good-care-of-the-forest-dewey said:

I can understand (but disagree) with the illegality of carrying on one's person, but getting charged for having one in your car seems bizzare.

Not sure how that passes the public interest test.

Surely the law should be a vehicle by which to deal with gang related knife crime. Frustrating the lack of proportionality.

Your car is considered a public place.

I'm a builder - it's ok for me to have a knife as long as it's with my hammers, axes, chisels etc

Should one be left in when I've removed the tool bags, it's not (a frequent occurrence as I regularly empty my pockets out into the door pockets / passenger seat.

I own around 20 knives of different types as I can never find the damn things - pencils are worse, I get through at least 100 / yr.

[wisbech]

The Mad Monk said:

768 said:

AndrewCrown said:

Solved

The gentleman in question was convicted of something much more serious a little later, the Police were clearly on to him...

They did him for a penknife in a glovebox as part of trying to get him for child rape offences from 30+ years ago?

Perhaps, apart from any previous, he failed the attitude test?

More likely the police had strong suspicions about the rapes, but not enough evidence for prosecution, so we’re looking for something to get him with

[BaldOldMan]

wisbech said:

The Mad Monk said:

768 said:

AndrewCrown said:

Solved

The gentleman in question was convicted of something much more serious a little later, the Police were clearly on to him...

They did him for a penknife in a glovebox as part of trying to get him for child rape offences from 30+ years ago?

Perhaps, apart from any previous, he failed the attitude test?

More likely the police had strong suspicions about the rapes, but not enough evidence for prosecution, so we’re looking for something to get him with

But no matter what was suspected, or the motivations for pursuing him - a court somewhere convicted him of the knife offence and that alone......

[V8RX7]

BaldOldMan said:

But no matter what was suspected, or the motivations for pursuing him - a court somewhere convicted him of the knife offence and that alone......

IIRC he plead guilty

[MC Bodge]

defblade said:

Ayahuasca said:

What about Opinels where you have to twist a collar to lock it?

Not EDC legal

I know and they are my preferred pocket knife, but mine are now left at home.

The hysteria about knife crime has resulted in a silly law.

I have a couple of Swiss Army Knives, one in my desk and one in the car. I even cleared some fallen branches near my office with the folding saw blade recently.

I carry a conveniently small, slim, Japanese friction folding knife with a thumb tab in my pocket. Pocket knives and multi tools do come in useful for me very often.

[33q]

I have been carrying some form of pocket knife since my childhood......I'm 64....so a good while! My Dad always had a knife in his pocket.

For the last few years I have carried a Leatherman Wave mulititool. I use it several times a day.

I read this thread by chance last evening and I did not realise I had been breaking the law....it has a locking blade. I know ignorance of the law is no excuse...and it does not matter if I think the law is sometimes an ass.

I'm not carrying it today or in the future

Any recommendations for a similar tool that is legal?

[The Mad Monk]

33q said:

I have been carrying some form of pocket knife since my childhood......I'm 64....so a good while! My Dad always had a knife in his pocket.

For the last few years I have carried a Leatherman Wave mulititool. I use it several times a day.

I read this thread by chance last evening and I did not realise I had been breaking the law....it has a locking blade. I know ignorance of the law is no excuse...and it does not matter if I think the law is sometimes an ass.

I'm not carrying it today or in the future

Any recommendations for a similar tool that is legal?

Swiss Army knife with a blade less than 3 inches (76.2 mm) long which is non locking.

[Graveworm]

33q said:

I have been carrying some form of pocket knife since my childhood......I'm 64....so a good while! My Dad always had a knife in his pocket.

For the last few years I have carried a Leatherman Wave mulititool. I use it several times a day.

I read this thread by chance last evening and I did not realise I had been breaking the law....it has a locking blade. I know ignorance of the law is no excuse...and it does not matter if I think the law is sometimes an ass.

I'm not carrying it today or in the future

Any recommendations for a similar tool that is legal?

It's not that difficult to make a leatherman non locking and easy enough to reverse when if you come to sell it on. Many people use thin washers but I used a couple of old feeler gauges.

[Mario149]

33q said:

I have been carrying some form of pocket knife since my childhood......I'm 64....so a good while! My Dad always had a knife in his pocket.

For the last few years I have carried a Leatherman Wave mulititool. I use it several times a day.

I read this thread by chance last evening and I did not realise I had been breaking the law....it has a locking blade. I know ignorance of the law is no excuse...and it does not matter if I think the law is sometimes an ass.

I'm not carrying it today or in the future

Any recommendations for a similar tool that is legal?

If you don't desperately need a knife, this looks good. My dad had a Gerber for years on his little speedboat and it was great.

[MC Bodge]

33q said:

I have been carrying some form of pocket knife since my childhood......I'm 64....so a good while! My Dad always had a knife in his pocket.

For the last few years I have carried a Leatherman Wave mulititool. I use it several times a day.

I read this thread by chance last evening and I did not realise I had been breaking the law....it has a locking blade. I know ignorance of the law is no excuse...and it does not matter if I think the law is sometimes an ass.

I'm not carrying it today or in the future

Any recommendations for a similar tool that is legal?

I have considered dismantling my Leatherman Crunch (which I accidentally carried onto an internal flight in S America and nobody cared. In the UK I'd probably have been beaten with a batons and tasered by a squad of law enforcement and jailed) and either replacing the short, serrated, locking blade with a spacer or grinding the back of the blade to remove the locking notch - I'm not sure if the latter would be too subtle for a PC determined to have you charged (or the CPS), though.

A locking knife isn't really necessary for many pocket knife tasks, but the law is a bit silly. How many people commit violent crime with a tiny, locking, pocket knife? Kitchen knifes and gardening tools would surely be more effective.


Ps. I was told by a PC of a man who was charged with possessing a locking knife having been involved in a minor (unrelated) incident at a tourist attraction.

[33q]

Thanks for the replies. I do use the knife part so the Gerber is out.

I will have a go at disabling the locking feature but that will make the blade free to move unlike non locking knives that have an 'over centre' holding feature.

I need to get the hall floor done so playtime will have to be later....................

[Graveworm]

33q said:

Thanks for the replies. I do use the knife part so the Gerber is out.

I will have a go at disabling the locking feature but that will make the blade free to move unlike non locking knives that have an 'over centre' holding feature.

I need to get the hall floor done so playtime will have to be later....................

If you use thin metal the blade still catches pretty well. Youtube is your friend.

[Mario149]

I think you're prob skating on thin ice if there is any way to lock the blade at all e.g. by holding the handles together even if you've ground off xyz etc.

Presumably the law is enforced on the basis that if the blade is not going to close on your own hand if you tried to stick it in someone, it's to all intents and purposes a locking blade no matter what the locking mechanism is.

[Pica-Pica]

I have a folding work knife (Stanley-type blade) that locks. I would not worry carrying that as long as I could justify carrying it from A to B.

[V8RX7]

Pica-Pica said:

I have a folding work knife (Stanley-type blade) that locks. I would not worry carrying that as long as I could justify carrying it from A to B.

The issue I've seen recently is "tell it to the Court"

So you have a day off work and worry regardless

[Bigends]

BaldOldMan said:

wisbech said:

The Mad Monk said:

768 said:

AndrewCrown said:

Solved

The gentleman in question was convicted of something much more serious a little later, the Police were clearly on to him...

They did him for a penknife in a glovebox as part of trying to get him for child rape offences from 30+ years ago?

Perhaps, apart from any previous, he failed the attitude test?

More likely the police had strong suspicions about the rapes, but not enough evidence for prosecution, so we’re looking for something to get him with

But no matter what was suspected, or the motivations for pursuing him - a court somewhere convicted him of the knife offence and that alone......

Exactly - the rape charge was a year later. Failing the attitude test doesnt give grounds for the vehicle search

[RizzoTheRat]

MC Bodge said:

defblade said:

Ayahuasca said:

What about Opinels where you have to twist a collar to lock it?

Not EDC legal

I know and they are my preferred pocket knife, but mine are now left at home.

The hysteria about knife crime has resulted in a silly law.

I have a couple of Swiss Army Knives, one in my desk and one in the car. I even cleared some fallen branches near my office with the folding saw blade recently.

I carry a conveniently small, slim, Japanese friction folding knife with a thumb tab in my pocket. Pocket knives and multi tools do come in useful for me very often.

I always used to have Opinels as a kid (farmers son not gang member) as being able to lock the blade did feel safer to me.

I've always had Swiss Army Climber's since then, but these days penknife tends to stay at home unless I'm camping. I'm surprised they make ones with locking blades though given the legal issues as multi tool knifes like that aren't really the tool of choice for someone who's going to be using a knife heavily as the mechanisms for the rest of the blade/tools can easily get jammed up with crud.

My father always had pocket knives with locking blades, and usually 3 or 4 dotted around in different places. He died this summer and this has now got me wondering what happened to them. I doubt 75 year old mother is carrying one around in handbag but anything is possible.

[MC Bodge]

I wonder if French people are more or less inclined to stab each other, being allowed to carry Opinels around? Or do they just cut more bread and cheese than we do?