Other driver pranged barrier while overtaking.
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Dont like rolls said:
vtchequers said:
Dont like rolls said:
Or him letting us know how many points for careless driving she got 
She had right of way.Why would she get points for that?
Come on OP, this thread has been going on long enough for the insurance companies to have made a decision by now.
Save me from having to keep checking in every time there is a new post to the thread only to discover it’s more bickering about who was at fault despite nobody having any actual evidence (including myself earlier in the thread before anybody goes back and quotes it to me, I know, I know)
Save me from having to keep checking in every time there is a new post to the thread only to discover it’s more bickering about who was at fault despite nobody having any actual evidence (including myself earlier in the thread before anybody goes back and quotes it to me, I know, I know)
I don’t see how this can possibly be Mrs OP’s fault given the information provided.
The important bit is that she didn’t cross the white centre line. She merely moved close to it in order to safely clear the pulled-in bus, which was slightly protruding into her carriageway.
We have all done that hundreds of times.
Mrs OP stays within her lane, and the 4x4 is overtaking using the oncoming lane.
If the 4x4 driver decides to swerve his vehicle into the ditch because he is spooked by a car moving around within the confines of their own lane then that is his problem.
You can all try to argue based on what you think ‘actually’ happened, but that is totally pointless.
The OP has clearly stated what has happened and that is all we can base our replies on.
To sum up: swerving towards the edge of your own lane but not crossing the line, does not mean you interfere with traffic in the neighbouring lane.
The important bit is that she didn’t cross the white centre line. She merely moved close to it in order to safely clear the pulled-in bus, which was slightly protruding into her carriageway.
We have all done that hundreds of times.
Mrs OP stays within her lane, and the 4x4 is overtaking using the oncoming lane.
If the 4x4 driver decides to swerve his vehicle into the ditch because he is spooked by a car moving around within the confines of their own lane then that is his problem.
You can all try to argue based on what you think ‘actually’ happened, but that is totally pointless.
The OP has clearly stated what has happened and that is all we can base our replies on.
To sum up: swerving towards the edge of your own lane but not crossing the line, does not mean you interfere with traffic in the neighbouring lane.
Lord Marylebone said:
I don’t see how this can possibly be Mrs OP’s fault given the information provided.
The important bit is that she didn’t cross the white centre line. She merely moved close to it in order to safely clear the pulled-in bus, which was slightly protruding into her carriageway.
We have all done that hundreds of times.
Mrs OP stays within her lane, and the 4x4 is overtaking using the oncoming lane.
If the 4x4 driver decides to swerve his vehicle into the ditch because he is spooked by a car moving around within the confines of their own lane then that is his problem.
You can all try to argue based on what you think ‘actually’ happened, but that is totally pointless.
The OP has clearly stated what has happened and that is all we can base our replies on.
To sum up: swerving towards the edge of your own lane but not crossing the line, does not mean you interfere with traffic in the neighbouring lane.
OP "My wife pulled out to overtake the sticking out bit and heard a scraping sound, a work owned 4x4 had attempted to overtake both her and the bus and had ditched into the barrier rather than hit her"The important bit is that she didn’t cross the white centre line. She merely moved close to it in order to safely clear the pulled-in bus, which was slightly protruding into her carriageway.
We have all done that hundreds of times.
Mrs OP stays within her lane, and the 4x4 is overtaking using the oncoming lane.
If the 4x4 driver decides to swerve his vehicle into the ditch because he is spooked by a car moving around within the confines of their own lane then that is his problem.
You can all try to argue based on what you think ‘actually’ happened, but that is totally pointless.
The OP has clearly stated what has happened and that is all we can base our replies on.
To sum up: swerving towards the edge of your own lane but not crossing the line, does not mean you interfere with traffic in the neighbouring lane.
Dont like rolls said:
Lord Marylebone said:
I don’t see how this can possibly be Mrs OP’s fault given the information provided.
The important bit is that she didn’t cross the white centre line. She merely moved close to it in order to safely clear the pulled-in bus, which was slightly protruding into her carriageway.
We have all done that hundreds of times.
Mrs OP stays within her lane, and the 4x4 is overtaking using the oncoming lane.
If the 4x4 driver decides to swerve his vehicle into the ditch because he is spooked by a car moving around within the confines of their own lane then that is his problem.
You can all try to argue based on what you think ‘actually’ happened, but that is totally pointless.
The OP has clearly stated what has happened and that is all we can base our replies on.
To sum up: swerving towards the edge of your own lane but not crossing the line, does not mean you interfere with traffic in the neighbouring lane.
OP "My wife pulled out to overtake the sticking out bit and heard a scraping sound, a work owned 4x4 had attempted to overtake both her and the bus and had ditched into the barrier rather than hit her"The important bit is that she didn’t cross the white centre line. She merely moved close to it in order to safely clear the pulled-in bus, which was slightly protruding into her carriageway.
We have all done that hundreds of times.
Mrs OP stays within her lane, and the 4x4 is overtaking using the oncoming lane.
If the 4x4 driver decides to swerve his vehicle into the ditch because he is spooked by a car moving around within the confines of their own lane then that is his problem.
You can all try to argue based on what you think ‘actually’ happened, but that is totally pointless.
The OP has clearly stated what has happened and that is all we can base our replies on.
To sum up: swerving towards the edge of your own lane but not crossing the line, does not mean you interfere with traffic in the neighbouring lane.
But it doesn’t say she pulled into the other lane in order to pass the bus. She passed the bus using only her lane.
The OP clarifies this further later by adding that she didn’t cross the centre line, merely moved to towards it.
I don’t understand your point.
Lord Marylebone said:
Yes.
But it doesn’t say she pulled into the other lane in order to pass the bus. She passed the bus using only her lane.
The OP clarifies this further later by adding that she didn’t cross the centre line, merely moved to towards it.
I don’t understand your point.
I note the big difference made by the "clarification" vrs the first statement.But it doesn’t say she pulled into the other lane in order to pass the bus. She passed the bus using only her lane.
The OP clarifies this further later by adding that she didn’t cross the centre line, merely moved to towards it.
I don’t understand your point.
You give massive leeway to someone who had not looked in their mirrors and was "surprised to see" a 4x4 next to them.....I don't.
Dont like rolls said:
Lord Marylebone said:
Yes.
But it doesn’t say she pulled into the other lane in order to pass the bus. She passed the bus using only her lane.
The OP clarifies this further later by adding that she didn’t cross the centre line, merely moved to towards it.
I don’t understand your point.
I note the big difference made by the "clarification" vrs the first statement.But it doesn’t say she pulled into the other lane in order to pass the bus. She passed the bus using only her lane.
The OP clarifies this further later by adding that she didn’t cross the centre line, merely moved to towards it.
I don’t understand your point.
You give massive leeway to someone who had not looked in their mirrors and was "surprised to see" a 4x4 next to them.....I don't.
Conjecture and wild assumptions are pointless.
The OP wants advice based on what happened. It would be foolish of him to lie about what happened and then seek advice based on those lies, as that doesn’t help him at all.
I can only speak for myself, but on many occasions I have ‘swerved’ or ‘steered quickly’ to practically touch the centre line to avoid the protruding back end of a pulled-in bus.
I don’t see why it isn’t possible for Mrs OP to have done this.
You seem to think that there was no way she wouldn’t have crossed over into the oncoming lane, yet I don’t see your evidence for this.
Gary C said:
rolls has made his mind up. don't bother arguing.
And you have not ?All I am certain on is that the driver moved over sufficiently enough for the overtaking driver to think they had better bin it rather than hit other car, and their "close presence" being a surprise to the "moving driver"
Dont like rolls said:
Gary C said:
rolls has made his mind up. don't bother arguing.
And you have not ?All I am certain on is that the driver moved over sufficiently enough for the overtaking driver to think they had better bin it rather than hit other car, and their "close presence" being a surprise to the "moving driver"
Lord Marylebone said:
As I said, the OP has provided details on what has happened, and we have to assess the case based on those details.
Conjecture and wild assumptions are pointless.
The OP wants advice based on what happened. It would be foolish of him to lie about what happened and then seek advice based on those lies, as that doesn’t help him at all.
I can only speak for myself, but on many occasions I have ‘swerved’ or ‘steered quickly’ to practically touch the centre line to avoid the protruding back end of a pulled-in bus.
I don’t see why it isn’t possible for Mrs OP to have done this.
You seem to think that there was no way she wouldn’t have crossed over into the oncoming lane, yet I don’t see your evidence for this.
In terms of liability the difficulty, as it stands, is the OP says his wife "Doesn't believe she crossed the white line onto the other side of the road." Which might be faced with the other driver (Who she has to still admit not seeing) saying she definitely did, otherwise I wouldn't have had to avoid her. Add in that the requirements on pulling out to pass, don't dissappear just because you don't cross the centre line and it's not hard to see, some blame being attached on the balance of probabilities. Conjecture and wild assumptions are pointless.
The OP wants advice based on what happened. It would be foolish of him to lie about what happened and then seek advice based on those lies, as that doesn’t help him at all.
I can only speak for myself, but on many occasions I have ‘swerved’ or ‘steered quickly’ to practically touch the centre line to avoid the protruding back end of a pulled-in bus.
I don’t see why it isn’t possible for Mrs OP to have done this.
You seem to think that there was no way she wouldn’t have crossed over into the oncoming lane, yet I don’t see your evidence for this.
Gary C said:
Dont like rolls said:
Gary C said:
rolls has made his mind up. don't bother arguing.
And you have not ?All I am certain on is that the driver moved over sufficiently enough for the overtaking driver to think they had better bin it rather than hit other car, and their "close presence" being a surprise to the "moving driver"
Without a dash cam nobody can be, my and your conclusions are just one side or the other of two possibilities.
Graveworm said:
she definitely did, otherwise I wouldn't have had to avoid her.
Spot the one that is slow to react.There are a million examples on YouTube alone of people who have reacted to something that wasn't going to actually hit them. It doesn't mean she's not at fault, that's an entirely different question.
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