Other driver pranged barrier while overtaking.
Discussion
Bill said:
Because the bus was mostly out of the way and the cars were still moving, so it's highly likely the front car will pull out.
According to the OPs account, the bus was stationary when his wife didn't look in her rear view mirror, began to manoeuvre towards the offside and unexpectedly heard scraping sounds of the overtaking 4x4 she'd failed to observe during her non existent look behind.Am I wrong?
janesmith1950 said:
According to the OPs account, the bus was stationary when his wife didn't look in her rear view mirror, began to manoeuvre towards the offside and unexpectedly heard scraping sounds of the overtaking 4x4 she'd failed to observe during her non existent look behind.
Am I wrong?
Yes. The OP says she looked. Maybe the 4x4 was in her blind spot.Am I wrong?
Dont like rolls said:
Before you go: What offence did the 4x4 commit ?
I don't think either of them committed an offence. But if she did, then so did the 4x4.https://www.ringroselaw.co.uk/personal-law/crimina...
Getragdogleg said:
If someone was in a queue at temporary traffic lights and was slow to pull away when they changed to green would it be OK for the second person in line to boot it and pass the first?
Because that's pretty much what's gone on here. Op's wife is car 1 4x4 is car 2.
The two scenarios are not analogous. In yours the traffic in front of the overtaker would be obliged to wait whilst the light was red and equally obliged to proceed and move to the offside when it turned green. It amounts to a suspension of traffic flow.Because that's pretty much what's gone on here. Op's wife is car 1 4x4 is car 2.
This was not the case here.
Bill said:
Yes. The OP says she looked. Maybe the 4x4 was in her blind spot.
The OP says she checked her wingmirror bur not her rear view mirror. Does that amount to having observed before manoeuvring? Would you change lanes without consulting your rear view mirror? If you do, are you driving carefully and competently?
Bill said:
Because the bus was mostly out of the way and the cars were still moving, so it's highly likely the front car will pull out.
Your last word?Mostly out of the way is still not out of the way. Obvious is not the same as highly likely.
And we still have no explanation as to the basis the car in front has 'priority'.
Getragdogleg said:
It's in front.
It's obvious that it's going to go around the stopped bus.
Did you pass your test in the UK ? It's obvious that it's going to go around the stopped bus.
2. Overtaking (162 to 169)
162
Before overtaking you should make sure
the road is sufficiently clear ahead
road users are not beginning to overtake you
there is a suitable gap in front of the road user you plan to overtake.
163
Overtake only when it is safe and legal to do so. You should
not get too close to the vehicle you intend to overtake
use your mirrors, signal when it is safe to do so, take a quick sideways glance if necessary into the blind spot area and then start to move out
not assume that you can simply follow a vehicle ahead which is overtaking; there may only be enough room for one vehicle
move quickly past the vehicle you are overtaking, once you have started to overtake. Allow plenty of room. Move back to the left as soon as you can but do not cut in
take extra care at night and in poor visibility when it is harder to judge speed and distance
give way to oncoming vehicles before passing parked vehicles or other obstructions on your side of the road
only overtake on the left if the vehicle in front is signalling to turn right, and there is room to do so
stay in your lane if traffic is moving slowly in queues. If the queue on your right is moving more slowly than you are, you may pass on the left
give motorcyclists, cyclists and horse riders at least as much room as you would when overtaking a car (see Rules 211 to 213 and 214 to 215).
168
Being overtaken. If a driver is trying to overtake you, maintain a steady course and speed, slowing down if necessary to let the vehicle pass. Never obstruct drivers who wish to pass. Speeding up or driving unpredictably while someone is overtaking you is dangerous. Drop back to maintain a two-second gap if someone overtakes and pulls into the gap in front of you.
Remember: Mirrors – Signal – Manoeuvre
Edited by Dont like rolls on Saturday 15th February 10:10
Sticks. said:
You forgot to include...
Missing out that that is under "Pedestrians" and refers to - "There is a risk of pedestrians, especially children, stepping unexpectedly into the road. You should drive with the safety of children in mind at a speed suitable for the conditions."Zigster said:
Seven pages in and no reference to HC rule 206: “Drive carefully and slowly when ... driving past bus and tram stops ...”
So a bus that is just pulling in/just pulled in is not triggering any of those risks yet.
Graveworm said:
Missing out that that is under "Pedestrians" and refers to - "There is a risk of pedestrians, especially children, stepping unexpectedly into the road. You should drive with the safety of children in mind at a speed suitable for the conditions."
So a bus that is just pulling in/just pulled in is not triggering any of those risks yet.
Agreed. but not the whole picture. People run for a bus, cross roads hastily etc, the message is clear, be careful around buses stopping. You never know, someone might even pull around one as it stops. So a bus that is just pulling in/just pulled in is not triggering any of those risks yet.
Not to mention that your insistence on quoting the overtaking section of the highway code is a bit disingenuous here and you know it.
This is not an open road example of a faster vehicle overtaking a slower one in order to make progress.
I doubt very much that this situation is what they had in mind when they wrote that bit.
Much like when I pull over to the left to let an emergency vehicle pass and the car was behind me decides to pass me too after the ambulance has passed me, I'm always looking out for it but according to you it's fine for this to happen.
To me it's poor driving on the part of the people doing the passing, it's not an overtake to make progress it's poor driving, the person being overtaken is dealing with a hazard in front and some muppet decides to push on by with no caution.
But that is OK according to you and your interpretation of the highway code?
This is not an open road example of a faster vehicle overtaking a slower one in order to make progress.
I doubt very much that this situation is what they had in mind when they wrote that bit.
Much like when I pull over to the left to let an emergency vehicle pass and the car was behind me decides to pass me too after the ambulance has passed me, I'm always looking out for it but according to you it's fine for this to happen.
To me it's poor driving on the part of the people doing the passing, it's not an overtake to make progress it's poor driving, the person being overtaken is dealing with a hazard in front and some muppet decides to push on by with no caution.
But that is OK according to you and your interpretation of the highway code?
Sticks. said:
Agreed. but not the whole picture. People run for a bus, cross roads hastily etc, the message is clear, be careful around buses stopping. You never know, someone might even pull around one as it stops.
I have said throughout that, the overtaking driver, not spotting that this might happen, is probably relevant; but a driver not anticipating another driver doing something wrong, doesn't mean that blame gets transferred. Something about a car approaching a give way line. might mean some drivers will realise they are not stopping, if someone doesn't spot that - it doesn't make the car, which doesn't give way, blameless. If the OPs wife's car pulled out into the path of an overtaking vehicle, then that is unequivocally something she should not do irrespective of whether the overtake was injudicious.
Edited by Graveworm on Saturday 15th February 16:53
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