E Scooters soon to be allowed on UK roads?
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ddom said:
eldar said:
Interesting question. A thoroughly eco means of transport, cheap, easy and convenient for everyone.
It really brings the luddite and fear of change doom bringers out in force.
In my rural locality they are commonplace now the sun is shining. Kids with them, people scooting the mile to the shop, no problem.
I think there will be challenges in stopping them now.
An 'eco' 'means of transport...apart from the batteries, charging, etc. It really brings the luddite and fear of change doom bringers out in force.
In my rural locality they are commonplace now the sun is shining. Kids with them, people scooting the mile to the shop, no problem.
I think there will be challenges in stopping them now.
The world has gone mad. People too lazy to ride a bike a mile, or walk (gasp). I'm sure Darwin will have its say in 'stopping' people on these bloody daft pieces of transport
ddom said:
eldar said:
Interesting question. A thoroughly eco means of transport, cheap, easy and convenient for everyone.
It really brings the luddite and fear of change doom bringers out in force.
In my rural locality they are commonplace now the sun is shining. Kids with them, people scooting the mile to the shop, no problem.
I think there will be challenges in stopping them now.
An 'eco' 'means of transport...apart from the batteries, charging, etc. It really brings the luddite and fear of change doom bringers out in force.
In my rural locality they are commonplace now the sun is shining. Kids with them, people scooting the mile to the shop, no problem.
I think there will be challenges in stopping them now.
The world has gone mad. People too lazy to ride a bike a mile, or walk (gasp). I'm sure Darwin will have its say in 'stopping' people on these bloody daft pieces of transport
jakesmith said:
My local supermarket is 2.5 miles away. I’m not walking. Bike is too much hassle getting it out, locking it up when I get there etc for such a short journey. I can go in my escooter 10 mins mainly on private estates, or go in my V8 car. Presently I’m doing that.
That would seem to be the perfect scenario. Green, convenient and suitable. That HMG make it a serious crime is frankly ludicrous.eldar said:
That would seem to be the perfect scenario. Green, convenient and suitable. That HMG make it a serious crime is frankly ludicrous.
HMG are simply scared of giving specific approval to something that will result in headlines when people using them are hurt. Cycling on pavements is not allowed, but as it is ignored people treat it as allowed and because the incidents are low nothing has to be done about it. Scooters are a little different as they are powered, you would have to allow unregulated motor vehicles to use the pavements and/or roads. The solution is simple really, if it saves a single life you don't allow them. You might say what about freedom or saving the environment, but by far and away the biggest pressure group is save the children.
king bizarre. Every 20 minutes someone dies or is very seriously injured on our roads thanks to people in cars. Yet we're worried about a few fToltec said:
HMG are simply scared of giving specific approval to something that will result in headlines when people using them are hurt. Cycling on pavements is not allowed, but as it is ignored people treat it as allowed and because the incidents are low nothing has to be done about it. Scooters are a little different as they are powered, you would have to allow unregulated motor vehicles to use the pavements and/or roads.
The solution is simple really, if it saves a single life you don't allow them. You might say what about freedom or saving the environment, but by far and away the biggest pressure group is save the children.
First part, yes, it is dangerous to mix powered un-regulated electric scooters and idiots. People will get hurt. But the 'saving a single life' will you be selling that car of yours? It's a weird statement. The solution is simple really, if it saves a single life you don't allow them. You might say what about freedom or saving the environment, but by far and away the biggest pressure group is save the children.
And look here, the serial anti-cycling nut, and part time Kays catalogue model Mr Loophole back in the news.
The West Midlands force is taking action after it received complaints about the inappropriate use of e-scooters and said those caught breaching the law face having their scooters seized, having hire accounts suspended or up to six penalty points.
Do people honestly think it's a great idea mixing e-scooters with other road traffic
Have they not made any rules to try to lower the death rate involving motor vehicles?
Driving test, MOT, drink drive limit, drivers hours for commercial, Type Approval for components, view, shape of front, Speed limits, Seat Belts ......
Now apply some of that thinking to e-scooters in a bit to reduce casualties, what will they introduce? it won't be - buy your scoot - ride how and where you like.
Driving test, MOT, drink drive limit, drivers hours for commercial, Type Approval for components, view, shape of front, Speed limits, Seat Belts ......
Now apply some of that thinking to e-scooters in a bit to reduce casualties, what will they introduce? it won't be - buy your scoot - ride how and where you like.
ddom said:
Do people honestly think it's a great idea mixing e-scooters with other road traffic
Given they'll only realistically be used in urban / suburban situations sure. Why not?More people make the switch to bicycles. ebikes, scooters etc for short journeys can only be a good thing.
In an (my) ideal world they'd be allowed on pavements but automatically limited to eg 5mph.
monthou said:
Given they'll only realistically be used in urban / suburban situations sure. Why not?
More people make the switch to bicycles. ebikes, scooters etc for short journeys can only be a good thing.
In an (my) ideal world they'd be allowed on pavements but automatically limited to eg 5mph.
Except where they have actually looked at their introduction in urban situations - for the majority of journeys, people have switched from healthier & safer forms of transport that are better for the environment. So it "can only be a good thing" doesn't hold up. More people make the switch to bicycles. ebikes, scooters etc for short journeys can only be a good thing.
In an (my) ideal world they'd be allowed on pavements but automatically limited to eg 5mph.
Graveworm said:
monthou said:
Given they'll only realistically be used in urban / suburban situations sure. Why not?
More people make the switch to bicycles. ebikes, scooters etc for short journeys can only be a good thing.
In an (my) ideal world they'd be allowed on pavements but automatically limited to eg 5mph.
Except where they have been introduced in urban situations - for the majority of journeys, people have switched from healthier & safer forms of transport that are better for the environment. So it "can only be a good thing" doesn't hold up. More people make the switch to bicycles. ebikes, scooters etc for short journeys can only be a good thing.
In an (my) ideal world they'd be allowed on pavements but automatically limited to eg 5mph.
monthou said:
Graveworm said:
monthou said:
Given they'll only realistically be used in urban / suburban situations sure. Why not?
More people make the switch to bicycles. ebikes, scooters etc for short journeys can only be a good thing.
In an (my) ideal world they'd be allowed on pavements but automatically limited to eg 5mph.
Except where they have been introduced in urban situations - for the majority of journeys, people have switched from healthier & safer forms of transport that are better for the environment. So it "can only be a good thing" doesn't hold up. More people make the switch to bicycles. ebikes, scooters etc for short journeys can only be a good thing.
In an (my) ideal world they'd be allowed on pavements but automatically limited to eg 5mph.
Graveworm said:
monthou said:
Graveworm said:
monthou said:
Given they'll only realistically be used in urban / suburban situations sure. Why not?
More people make the switch to bicycles. ebikes, scooters etc for short journeys can only be a good thing.
In an (my) ideal world they'd be allowed on pavements but automatically limited to eg 5mph.
Except where they have been introduced in urban situations - for the majority of journeys, people have switched from healthier & safer forms of transport that are better for the environment. So it "can only be a good thing" doesn't hold up. More people make the switch to bicycles. ebikes, scooters etc for short journeys can only be a good thing.
In an (my) ideal world they'd be allowed on pavements but automatically limited to eg 5mph.
I'm lumping cycling, ebikes and scooters together because they all give people mobility with low environmental impact, little congestion and low danger to others - relative to motor vehicles.
Unless you live in a city public transport is not a realistic option for most people. Access to an affordable, practical means of transport improves quality of life. Bicycles aren't always practical because you need somewhere to lock them at each end.
I realise you'll continue to make the same point.
monthou said:
I'm lumping cycling, ebikes and scooters together because they all give people mobility with low environmental impact, little congestion and low danger to others - relative to motor vehicles.
E-Scooters are frequently ridden on pavements to the detriment of pedestrian safety.bigothunter said:
monthou said:
I'm lumping cycling, ebikes and scooters together because they all give people mobility with low environmental impact, little congestion and low danger to others - relative to motor vehicles.
E-Scooters are frequently ridden on pavements to the detriment of pedestrian safety.How many people have been killed or seriously injured?
How many (on the pavement) by cars?
monthou said:
bigothunter said:
monthou said:
I'm lumping cycling, ebikes and scooters together because they all give people mobility with low environmental impact, little congestion and low danger to others - relative to motor vehicles.
E-Scooters are frequently ridden on pavements to the detriment of pedestrian safety.How many people have been killed or seriously injured?
How many (on the pavement) by cars?
i am all for the increased social mobility e-scooters have. the only thing i'm against it is that many who will hop on the scooter will have no sense of balance or road sense. the narrow handlebar isn't very good for 1 handed signaling like when cycling. i can imagine alot of people who have never ridden a bicycle will hop on an escooter and think they're completely free to do whatever.
monthou said:
bigothunter said:
monthou said:
I'm lumping cycling, ebikes and scooters together because they all give people mobility with low environmental impact, little congestion and low danger to others - relative to motor vehicles.
E-Scooters are frequently ridden on pavements to the detriment of pedestrian safety.How many people have been killed or seriously injured?
How many (on the pavement) by cars?
Bicycles tend not to be on pavements at any speed, as its pointless. They shouldn't be on pavements anyway, but i'd wager a bike will be going slower than an escooter, but can stop a lot more quickly and stably than an escooter.
ambuletz said:
i cycle on the pavement at times (usually if i'm about 5-10m away from a shop i want to go to. However I ride very slow and considerately..brisk walking pace. will someone do that on an e-scooter?
Would you?If the argument is that lots of people are impatient morons then better an impatient moron on a scooter than driving 2 tons of metal. No?
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