E Scooters soon to be allowed on UK roads?

[bigothunter]

monthou said:

bigothunter said:

monthou said:

I'm lumping cycling, ebikes and scooters together because they all give people mobility with low environmental impact, little congestion and low danger to others - relative to motor vehicles.

E-Scooters are frequently ridden on pavements to the detriment of pedestrian safety.

Bicycles too.
How many people have been killed or seriously injured?
How many (on the pavement) by cars?

Driving cars on the pavement would be lethal for pedestrians. Fortunately motorists tend to stay off pavements unlike e-scooter riders.

All data on pedestrian KSI whilst using the pavement, would be helpful.

[ddom]

monthou said:

Would you?

If the argument is that lots of people are impatient morons then better an impatient moron on a scooter than driving 2 tons of metal. No?

It's better to not have motorised transport mixing with pedestrians, always goes wrong.

[bmwmike]

bigothunter said:

Driving cars on the pavement would be lethal for pedestrians. Fortunately motorists tend to stay off pavements unlike e-scooter riders.

All data on pedestrian KSI whilst using the pavement, would be helpful.

Cars on pavements is lethal yes, but doesn't stop people doing it - i saw a van grunt do it the other day right outside my house - couldn't be bothered waiting 10 seconds to give way to an oncoming car so instead just drove along the pavement, all four wheels. Plenty of YT vids on same too. Should be an instant perma-ban imo (assuming they got caught, which they wouldn't - cant remember the last time I saw any police around here).

[eldar]

ambuletz said:

i cycle on the pavement at times (usually if i'm about 5-10m away from a shop i want to go to. However I ride very slow and considerately..brisk walking pace. will someone do that on an e-scooter?

You break the law nicely. The nasty low class scooterists wont do it so nicely. OK.

[monthou]

bigothunter said:

Driving cars on the pavement would be lethal for pedestrians. Fortunately motorists tend to stay off pavements unlike e-scooter riders.

Generally...
Scooters / bicycles irritate pedestrians.
Cars kill pedestrians.

[monthou]

ddom said:

It's better to not have motorised transport mixing with pedestrians, always goes wrong.

Always?
I've told you a million times, don't exaggerate.

[bigothunter]

monthou said:

ddom said:

It's better to not have motorised transport mixing with pedestrians, always goes wrong.

Always?
I've told you a million times, don't exaggerate.

But the principle is still right. Motorised transport and pedestrians do not mix well. We need physical segregation using barriers and zoning.

[monthou]

bigothunter said:

monthou said:

ddom said:

It's better to not have motorised transport mixing with pedestrians, always goes wrong.

Always?
I've told you a million times, don't exaggerate.

But the principle is still right. Motorised transport and pedestrians do not mix well. We need physical segregation using barriers and zoning.

Okay. Fine. And yet it's still cars that kill pedestrians. Even on the pavement. What to do...

Maybe what we actually need is the opposite. No pavements, everyone shares the same space.

[ddom]

monthou said:

Always?
I've told you a million times, don't exaggerate.

Yep, it will always go wrong. Pedestrians, prams, kids, dogs on leads......

[monthou]

ddom said:

Yep, it will always go wrong. Pedestrians, prams, kids, dogs on leads......

And yet other countries seem to manage.

ddom said:

Do people honestly think it's a great idea mixing e-scooters with other road traffic

ddom said:

It's better to not have motorised transport mixing with pedestrians, always goes wrong.

Not on the road. Not on the pavement. Your glass is definitely half empty.

[Northernboy]

Toltec said:

The Xiaomi Mi Pro 2 weighs just over 14kg, seems reasonable, I haven't looked, but maybe there are ones made with carbon fibre and titanium, at a price.

14kg is still quite a lump to be carrying up and down steps and onto and off trains.

[Northernboy]

the tribester said:

Have they not made any rules to try to lower the death rate involving motor vehicles?
Driving test, MOT, drink drive limit, drivers hours for commercial, Type Approval for components, view, shape of front, Speed limits, Seat Belts ......

Now apply some of that thinking to e-scooters in a bit to reduce casualties, what will they introduce? it won't be - buy your scoot - ride how and where you like.

It could be like the rules on e-bikes.

[Northernboy]

ambuletz said:

i cycle on the pavement at times (usually if i'm about 5-10m away from a shop i want to go to. However I ride very slow and considerately..brisk walking pace. will someone do that on an e-scooter?

No, I use mine on the road. You should do the same on your bike.

Edited by Northernboy on Wednesday 9th June 12:24

[eldar]

Oddly, i can buy a one ton horse and ride it all over the place at 40 mph without any licence.

How is this madness permitted?

[ddom]

monthou said:

Not on the road. Not on the pavement. Your glass is definitely half empty.

Not really. I just think e-scooters are a nuisance. Other opinions are available.

[Gecko1978]

Toltec said:

eldar said:

That would seem to be the perfect scenario. Green, convenient and suitable. That HMG make it a serious crime is frankly ludicrous.

HMG are simply scared of giving specific approval to something that will result in headlines when people using them are hurt. Cycling on pavements is not allowed, but as it is ignored people treat it as allowed and because the incidents are low nothing has to be done about it. Scooters are a little different as they are powered, you would have to allow unregulated motor vehicles to use the pavements and/or roads.

The solution is simple really, if it saves a single life you don't allow them. You might say what about freedom or saving the environment, but by far and away the biggest pressure group is save the children.

That is just an odd view, running, horses, bicycles, motorcycles, cars, boats, planes, helicopters are all used to move people a to b and all result in deaths.

HMG probably don't like the idea as people would use an escooter over a car, or bus etc which the government gets revenue from. If you take a 3 mile trip on a escootrt no fuel duty no tax on public transport travel etc.

[bigothunter]

monthou said:

Okay. Fine. And yet it's still cars that kill pedestrians. Even on the pavement. What to do...

Cars don't kill pedestrians on London Bridge.

monthou said:

Maybe what we actually need is the opposite. No pavements, everyone shares the same space.

Where vehicles must give way to pedestrians and are limited to 6mph (10km/h) ?

https://www.bigdream.com.au/en/driver-knowledge-te...

[monthou]

ddom said:

Not really. I just think e-scooters are a nuisance. Other opinions are available.

Just say that then.
They're almost inevitably coming soon, whatever.

[ddom]

monthou said:

Just say that then.
They're almost inevitably coming soon, whatever.

Nope. If you bother to follow the news you’ll see the Police cracking down all this month, which can only be a good thing for everyone.

[monthou]

bigothunter said:

monthou said:

Okay. Fine. And yet it's still cars that kill pedestrians. Even on the pavement. What to do...

Cars don't kill pedestrians on London Bridge.

Brilliant. We can do that everywhere.
After the bridge to Ireland, obviously.