E Scooters soon to be allowed on UK roads?
Discussion
Lord Marylebone said:
Motoring solicitor Nick 'Mr Loophole' Freeman has started a petition for e scooters to be registered, so that the rider can be traced if there is an incident.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1E2fyZvfEw
I'm not fussed either way to be honest. If it helps get them legal and cracks down on the scumbags who use them, then I could be for it.
Seems a bit odd that whilst considering e-scooters as 'so dangerous' he'd start a campaign for registration, rather than prevent their use in public places. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1E2fyZvfEw
I'm not fussed either way to be honest. If it helps get them legal and cracks down on the scumbags who use them, then I could be for it.
Whilst the mature commuter is likely to comply with such rules, the rider's of the e-scoots I've seen bombing about, are the least likely to comply with any rules.
And just what size registration plate or it's positioning he is proposing, he doesn't make clear.
I think a register for all forms of transport used on public roads is a good idea, would also help prevent theft if every vehicle had a registered owner.
Noticed this article yesterday, 3 year driving ban for drink driving on an E-Scooter
https://www.andoveradvertiser.co.uk/news/19405970....
Can see the police targeting e-scooters at the end of the month when targets need to be met as it's like shooting fish in a barrel
https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/driving-bans-stu...
Noticed this article yesterday, 3 year driving ban for drink driving on an E-Scooter
https://www.andoveradvertiser.co.uk/news/19405970....
Can see the police targeting e-scooters at the end of the month when targets need to be met as it's like shooting fish in a barrel
https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/driving-bans-stu...
the tribester said:
Lord Marylebone said:
Motoring solicitor Nick 'Mr Loophole' Freeman has started a petition for e scooters to be registered, so that the rider can be traced if there is an incident.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1E2fyZvfEw
I'm not fussed either way to be honest. If it helps get them legal and cracks down on the scumbags who use them, then I could be for it.
Seems a bit odd that whilst considering e-scooters as 'so dangerous' he'd start a campaign for registration, rather than prevent their use in public places. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1E2fyZvfEw
I'm not fussed either way to be honest. If it helps get them legal and cracks down on the scumbags who use them, then I could be for it.
Whilst the mature commuter is likely to comply with such rules, the rider's of the e-scoots I've seen bombing about, are the least likely to comply with any rules.
And just what size registration plate or it's positioning he is proposing, he doesn't make clear.
He obviously accepts these things are coming in rental form, and also likely in legal privately owned form, so I suppose he is concentrating on what could possibly be changed, rather than what cannot.
As I mentioned, I’m not dead against the idea of scooter registration and insurance in principle, but as others have said, this is the British government we are talking about, and they will no doubt completely f
k it up and it will cost £5 Billion to set up or something.They keep it simple in Germany and it works. Annual scooter insurance is a fixed price of €30, and you get a small anti-tamper sticker to put on your scooter showing you have paid it.
As for plates, scooters in Germany are fitted with mini reg plates like this, so a possibility?
Lord Marylebone said:
He is clearly an intelligent chap, and as such, realises that e scooters, e bikes, and other forms of small ‘personal electric transport’ are here to say, so there is no point in trying to fight the direction of travel (no pun intended) as it would be futile.
He obviously accepts these things are coming in rental form, and also likely in legal privately owned form, so I suppose he is concentrating on what could possibly be changed, rather than what cannot.
As I mentioned, I’m not dead against the idea of scooter registration and insurance in principle, but as others have said, this is the British government we are talking about, and they will no doubt completely fk it up and it will cost £5 Billion to set up or something.
They keep it simple in Germany and it works. Annual scooter insurance is a fixed price of €30, and you get a small anti-tamper sticker to put on your scooter showing you have paid it.
As for plates, scooters in Germany are fitted with mini reg plates like this, so a possibility?
We'd never be able to have number plates that small - the speed cameras would never be able to read them. We would probably end up with car-sized plates He obviously accepts these things are coming in rental form, and also likely in legal privately owned form, so I suppose he is concentrating on what could possibly be changed, rather than what cannot.
As I mentioned, I’m not dead against the idea of scooter registration and insurance in principle, but as others have said, this is the British government we are talking about, and they will no doubt completely f
k it up and it will cost £5 Billion to set up or something.They keep it simple in Germany and it works. Annual scooter insurance is a fixed price of €30, and you get a small anti-tamper sticker to put on your scooter showing you have paid it.
As for plates, scooters in Germany are fitted with mini reg plates like this, so a possibility?
Harry H said:
Why not combine the insurance sticker and the licence plate. Then the insurance companies can do the administration.
They'd have it sorted in no time rather than waiting 5 years and a squillion quid for DVLA.
Indeed.They'd have it sorted in no time rather than waiting 5 years and a squillion quid for DVLA.
If I was the government I would award a contract to one insurance company, at no cost to myself, and tell them they have to:
1)Charge a fixed price of £25 a year (or whatever) for insurance.
2)Provide riders who buy insurance with an anti-tamper numberplate ‘sticker’.
3)Provide an app that any police officer can have on their phones which scans the plate and gives insurance and scooter owner details.
All of this, at no cost to the government, let someone else sort it all out under the dangling carrot of having the contract to insure all e scooters.
That will never happen of course. They will ask the DVLA to do it, and it’ll be an absolute multi-billion pound mess.
Oceanrower said:
Psycho Warren said:
Except all of this is mute as between late autumn and mid spring, anyone who owns a car will use that rather than freeze or get wet. Same on wet days the rest of the year.
You would have to price electric cars off the road to force people onto scooters/bikes etc.
Moot. FFS, it’s moot!You would have to price electric cars off the road to force people onto scooters/bikes etc.
Toltec said:
pincher said:
We'd never be able to have number plates that small - the speed cameras would never be able to read them. We would probably end up with car-sized plates
Just make it a QR code that links to the owner, registered address and insurance details. RizzoTheRat said:
Psycho Warren said:
Except all of this is mute as between late autumn and mid spring, anyone who owns a car will use that rather than freeze or get wet. Same on wet days the rest of the year.
You would have to price electric cars off the road to force people onto scooters/bikes etc.
Some people, not all. I cycle to work, if it's raining I wear waterproofs. An e-scooter is probably better suited to riding in the rain as you're not going to work up a sweat inside your waterpoofs.You would have to price electric cars off the road to force people onto scooters/bikes etc.
https://www.pureelectric.com/collections/adults-el...
In other countries car insurance isn't £2000 a year for new drivers, the reason being they don't have a system of parasitic lawyers / accident / claim management companies ready to bleed insurance companies and their customers dry. The chances of e-scooter insurance being £25 a year in the UK I'd say seems unlikely but I would be delighted to be wrong.
bmwmike said:
Toltec said:
pincher said:
We'd never be able to have number plates that small - the speed cameras would never be able to read them. We would probably end up with car-sized plates
Just make it a QR code that links to the owner, registered address and insurance details. t their e-scooter in to a parked car causing some damage, jump back on and flee the scene.What’s easier to recollect and relay to the owner and/or the police; 3 letters & 3 numbers like the German ones above, or a QR code?
jakesmith said:
In other countries car insurance isn't £2000 a year for new drivers, the reason being they don't have a system of parasitic lawyers / accident / claim management companies ready to bleed insurance companies and their customers dry. The chances of e-scooter insurance being £25 a year in the UK I'd say seems unlikely but I would be delighted to be wrong.
I have seen UK companies offering third-party only insurance for bicycles for £12 a year, and Wiggle offer third-party plus £10,000 of personal accident cover for £24 per year.I don’t think £25 for third party scooter insurance is out of the question.
Lord Marylebone said:
Motoring solicitor Nick 'Mr Loophole' Freeman has started a petition for e scooters to be registered, so that the rider can be traced if there is an incident.
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Motoring solicitor realises that unless the rider can be traced , they cannot be prosecuted. .
So encourages registration scheme which if successful will create more clients for Motoring/Scootering Solicitor Nick 'Mr Loophole ( also for scooterists)' Freeman
emicen said:
You witness someone tt their e-scooter in to a parked car causing some damage, jump back on and flee the scene.
What’s easier to recollect and relay to the owner and/or the police; 3 letters & 3 numbers like the German ones above, or a QR code?
A reasonable point, you would need to get fairly close to read a 75 - 100mm plate, but it might be possible sometimes. t their e-scooter in to a parked car causing some damage, jump back on and flee the scene.What’s easier to recollect and relay to the owner and/or the police; 3 letters & 3 numbers like the German ones above, or a QR code?
I was thinking more for confirmation of a legally registered and insured scooter with a cheap to implement yearly refresh, it could have a border colour that rotated through red, blue, green each year to easily spot out of date ones. A hologram section would help cut down on fakes, could be something the insurance company sends you so if you just add cover to your house insurance, as many do with cycles, it keeps it simple to implement.
speedyguy said:
Toltec said:
Excellent trip hazard as well. 
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