E Scooters soon to be allowed on UK roads?
Discussion
djneils98 said:
It's orders of magnitude less dangerous than drink driving in a car. You sound like a right daisy
One consideration may be, currently all riders of e-scooters, need a driving licence so if they would illegally, ride one when over the limit they may drive when over the limit - so a ban may help protect the public. It also may protect them from themselves as, on a scooter they are more vulnerable and there are still consequences for others if the drunk rider gets seriously hurt or killed. monthou said:
That's a heck of a stretch.
About 10,000 people are convicted of drink driving every year for whom it is not their first offence. It's unlikely they were caught every time. The Germans who have a blood alcohol limit for cycling have found that drink riding is correlated with drink driving. Graveworm said:
monthou said:
That's a heck of a stretch.
About 10,000 people are convicted of drink driving every year for whom it is not their first offence. It's unlikely they were caught every time. The Germans who have a blood alcohol limit for cycling have found that drink riding is correlated with drink driving. Has the possibility been publicised?
It wouldn't have occurred to me that it was an issue - I'd expect them to be treated similarly to bicycles - and I'm not someone who drinks and drives.
I don't believe for a moment that there was any particular consideration given to 'getting drink drivers off the road' when the regs for the trials were drawn up. The proof of the pudding, I guess, will be in whether licences are required when the trials end and private scooters are permitted.
monthou said:
Graveworm said:
monthou said:
That's a heck of a stretch.
About 10,000 people are convicted of drink driving every year for whom it is not their first offence. It's unlikely they were caught every time. The Germans who have a blood alcohol limit for cycling have found that drink riding is correlated with drink driving. Has the possibility been publicised?
It wouldn't have occurred to me that it was an issue - I'd expect them to be treated similarly to bicycles - and I'm not someone who drinks and drives.
I don't believe for a moment that there was any particular consideration given to 'getting drink drivers off the road' when the regs for the trials were drawn up. The proof of the pudding, I guess, will be in whether licences are required when the trials end and private scooters are permitted.
It's an uphill struggle there are 2 schools of thought, one is that of the transport committe, that e-scooters are an alternative for those who are too poor to get a driving licence so they want the requirement lifted. The trouble is the current trials won't give any data on that so it may need another trial.
The other one, is the environmental/congestion one that they are a worthwhile benefit if they significantly replace car journeys. The transport committee, accept this probably won't happen, but others including local authorities, have been painted into a corner so, for them, driving licences make sense.
Edited by Graveworm on Sunday 11th July 16:27
Graveworm said:
It's an uphill struggle there are 2 schools of thought, one is that of the transport committe, that e-scooters are an alternative for those who are too poor to get a driving licence so they want the requirement lifted. The trouble is the current trials won't give any data on that so it may need another trial.
The other one, is the environmental/congestion one that they are a worthwhile benefit if they significantly replace car journeys. The transport committee, accept this probably won't happen, but others including local authorities, have been painted into a corner so, for them, driving licences make sense.
I guess we'll have to wait and see.The other one, is the environmental/congestion one that they are a worthwhile benefit if they significantly replace car journeys. The transport committee, accept this probably won't happen, but others including local authorities, have been painted into a corner so, for them, driving licences make sense.
Do you think drunk riding a scooter is deserving of a higher penalty than riding a bicycle or e-bike?
Or that the same limits and penalties are appropriate to bicycles / scooters / cars?
As a cyclist (never used an e-scooter) I think it's a nonsense.
monthou said:
Graveworm said:
It's an uphill struggle there are 2 schools of thought, one is that of the transport committe, that e-scooters are an alternative for those who are too poor to get a driving licence so they want the requirement lifted. The trouble is the current trials won't give any data on that so it may need another trial.
The other one, is the environmental/congestion one that they are a worthwhile benefit if they significantly replace car journeys. The transport committee, accept this probably won't happen, but others including local authorities, have been painted into a corner so, for them, driving licences make sense.
I guess we'll have to wait and see.The other one, is the environmental/congestion one that they are a worthwhile benefit if they significantly replace car journeys. The transport committee, accept this probably won't happen, but others including local authorities, have been painted into a corner so, for them, driving licences make sense.
Do you think drunk riding a scooter is deserving of a higher penalty than riding a bicycle or e-bike?
Or that the same limits and penalties are appropriate to bicycles / scooters / cars?
As a cyclist (never used an e-scooter) I think it's a nonsense.
E-scooters have less obvious benefits, so I can see a better argument. I guess that's why they are having trials. People getting caught, despite the severe penalties, isn't usually a reason to reduce the consequences.
Edited by Graveworm on Sunday 11th July 18:09
Graveworm said:
One consideration may be, currently all riders of e-scooters, need a driving licence so if they would illegally, ride one when over the limit they may drive when over the limit - so a ban may help protect the public. It also may protect them from themselves as, on a scooter they are more vulnerable and there are still consequences for others if the drunk rider gets seriously hurt or killed.
Suspected drunk driver on electric scooter hits, kills 91-year-old California man.https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/drunk-drive...
Nextbase, the Dashcam Co., saying E Scooters will be involved in 200K accidents a year and seems an E-Scooter rider died in a hit and run and a 3 year old suffered live changing injuries after being hit by an e-Scooter at the weekend.
Assistant Police and Crime Commissioner for West Mids. on Radio 4's World at One. They're being sold despite the sellers knowing it's unlikely the buyers will have private land to use them on.
Also the threat to blind people.
Assistant Police and Crime Commissioner for West Mids. on Radio 4's World at One. They're being sold despite the sellers knowing it's unlikely the buyers will have private land to use them on.
Also the threat to blind people.
carinaman said:
Nextbase, the Dashcam Co., saying E Scooters will be involved in 200K accidents a year and seems an E-Scooter rider died in a hit and run and a 3 year old suffered live changing injuries after being hit by an e-Scooter at the weekend.
Assistant Police and Crime Commissioner for West Mids. on Radio 4's World at One. They're being sold despite the sellers knowing it's unlikely the buyers will have private land to use them on.
Also the threat to blind people.
And how is that any different from Audi selling an R8 in this country, knowing that they're almost certainly going to be speeding along UK motorways?Assistant Police and Crime Commissioner for West Mids. on Radio 4's World at One. They're being sold despite the sellers knowing it's unlikely the buyers will have private land to use them on.
Also the threat to blind people.
Some teen on an E-scooter died this weekend in my borough and his e-scooter was stolen before the Ambulance arrived, thought that was a bit scummy tbh.
The risk of using one if you're an adult isn't worth it imo, the Police now seem to be seizing them on sight.
https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-ne...
The risk of using one if you're an adult isn't worth it imo, the Police now seem to be seizing them on sight.
https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-ne...
djneils98 said:
bigothunter said:
Good - impact at 12mph can cause serious personal injury. Same laws should apply to cyclists. High time all road users acted responsibly.
It's orders of magnitude less dangerous than drink driving in a car. You sound like a right daisyWho knows the order of magnitude? It’s never simple.
Solocle said:
And how is that any different from Audi selling an R8 in this country, knowing that they're almost certainly going to be speeding along UK motorways?
In fairness, there is a quite a difference because the R8 is going to be driven on the roads, not the pavements, and is probably going to be driven by someone with an actual license. For the most part, anyway.bmwmike said:
In fairness, there is a quite a difference because the R8 is going to be driven on the roads, not the pavements, and is probably going to be driven by someone with an actual license. For the most part, anyway.
But the escooter isn't capable of being driven one handed at 200 mph down the M23.Solocle said:
bmwmike said:
In fairness, there is a quite a difference because the R8 is going to be driven on the roads, not the pavements, and is probably going to be driven by someone with an actual license. For the most part, anyway.
But the escooter isn't capable of being driven one handed at 200 mph down the M23.untakenname said:
Some teen on an E-scooter died this weekend in my borough and his e-scooter was stolen before the Ambulance arrived, thought that was a bit scummy tbh.
The risk of using one if you're an adult isn't worth it imo, the Police now seem to be seizing them on sight.
https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-ne...
There certainly seems to be a massively increased risk of the Police taking action against you at the moment. The risk of using one if you're an adult isn't worth it imo, the Police now seem to be seizing them on sight.
https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-ne...
I'm in one of the big UK e-scooter Facebook groups (out of curiosity) and the posts on there certainly suggest that the police are currently having a massive nationwide crackdown on riders. They are seizing dozens of them daily in London and most other towns seem to be the same.
Solocle said:
carinaman said:
Nextbase, the Dashcam Co., saying E Scooters will be involved in 200K accidents a year and seems an E-Scooter rider died in a hit and run and a 3 year old suffered live changing injuries after being hit by an e-Scooter at the weekend.
Assistant Police and Crime Commissioner for West Mids. on Radio 4's World at One. They're being sold despite the sellers knowing it's unlikely the buyers will have private land to use them on.
Also the threat to blind people.
And how is that any different from Audi selling an R8 in this country, knowing that they're almost certainly going to be speeding along UK motorways?Assistant Police and Crime Commissioner for West Mids. on Radio 4's World at One. They're being sold despite the sellers knowing it's unlikely the buyers will have private land to use them on.
Also the threat to blind people.
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