E Scooters soon to be allowed on UK roads?
Discussion
Evanivitch said:
speedyguy said:
The police certainly like ban easy target 
I wonder if they 'stat remove' them or chuck them in the back of a car or a van, or god forbid ride them back to the stations which are very few and far between nowadays.
The police didn't ban them. They were never legal.I wonder if they 'stat remove' them or chuck them in the back of a car or a van, or god forbid ride them back to the stations which are very few and far between nowadays.
Missed that when checking.
Graveworm said:
Toltec said:
What about per hour in urban areas or per journey?
Pulled from a 2015 DOT statistics document, walking is as likely to kill you as cycling if less likely to injure you-
Casualty rate per billion vehicle miles
If we ratio those out using average speeds of 26mph for cars, 13mph for cyclists and 3mph for pedestrians relative to cars we get-
It turns out walking is quite a bit more deadly than cycling if looked at in terms of time spent on the activity, which if escooters are about as dangerous as cycles makes them rather safer than walking.
Strange what you can do with statistics isn't it?
It's about modal changes for the same journey. Are the pedestrians going to make the same journey several times to increase the risk? If not what has per hour got to do with it. Plus in accidents pedestrians kill or seriously injure fewer 3rd parties than cyclists. The risk to pedestrians of KSIs, in London from a car is 0.85 vs 2.05 from a bicycle. Pulled from a 2015 DOT statistics document, walking is as likely to kill you as cycling if less likely to injure you-
Casualty rate per billion vehicle miles
| Vehicle | Killed | Killed or seriously injured |
|---|---|---|
| Car occupants | 2 | 21 |
| Pedestrian | 34 | 463 |
| Pedal Cyclist | 34 | 1036 |
If we ratio those out using average speeds of 26mph for cars, 13mph for cyclists and 3mph for pedestrians relative to cars we get-
| Vehicle | Killed | Killed or seriously injured |
|---|---|---|
| Car occupants | 2 | 21 |
| Pedestrian | 295 | 4013 |
| Pedal Cyclist | 68 | 2072 |
It turns out walking is quite a bit more deadly than cycling if looked at in terms of time spent on the activity, which if escooters are about as dangerous as cycles makes them rather safer than walking.
Strange what you can do with statistics isn't it?
https://www.london.gov.uk/questions/2018/2362
When it comes to being alive everything represents a chance not to be so, it simply isn't possible to provide an optimal method for everyone to have minimum risks. While we shouldn't introduce things that have high risks, I don't see why new types of transport with some risks have to be banned, providing it is clear what the risks are and what can be done by regulation and the user to mitigate them.
bmwmike said:
Solocle said:
bmwmike said:
In fairness, there is a quite a difference because the R8 is going to be driven on the roads, not the pavements, and is probably going to be driven by someone with an actual license. For the most part, anyway.
But the escooter isn't capable of being driven one handed at 200 mph down the M23.You generally don't get pedestrians, including blind people, wandering around Motorways trying to go about their everyday, lawful business such as shopping.
Don't Audi R8s have to pass something called Type Approval?
Are E-Scooters covered by regulations and Type Approval?
bigothunter said:
I’m all for a bit of fun, but watching that it’s not surprising police are coming down hard on these. 50mph on a footpath… 
Cupramax said:
bigothunter said:
I’m all for a bit of fun, but watching that it’s not surprising police are coming down hard on these. 50mph on a footpath… techguyone said:
Guys overtaking people on a footpath doing 24 mph, this is why they need to be regulated.
Already illegal irrespective of speed, same as driving or riding a cycle on a public footpath, why is any further regulation needed?The above is illegal in the same way that riding a motocross bike with no registration, insurance, licence, mot etc. on the roads is.
What we don't have is regulation allowing 25km/h restricted ones to be used on public roads.
Toltec said:
techguyone said:
Guys overtaking people on a footpath doing 24 mph, this is why they need to be regulated.
Already illegal irrespective of speed, same as driving or riding a cycle on a public footpath, why is any further regulation needed?The above is illegal in the same way that riding a motocross bike with no registration, insurance, licence, mot etc. on the roads is.
What we don't have is regulation allowing 25km/h restricted ones to be used on public roads.
People keep saying stuff like 'these need to be regulated' or 'these need to be made illegal' and so on.
They are already illegal with quite severe penalties for use.
Not sure what else people would like to see done to make them more illegal?
Wonder if he'll get a visit from plod, Seem to remember a guy on Youtube building illegal high power ebikes and videoing himself riding them around got a surpirse visit one day, linky below.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tl9iQ8Urlis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tl9iQ8Urlis
Cupramax said:
Wonder if he'll get a visit from plod, Seem to remember a guy on Youtube building illegal high power ebikes and videoing himself riding them around got a surpirse visit one day, linky below.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tl9iQ8Urlis
As far as I'm aware, nothing actually happened to him apart from the police having 'a word' and then he went on to make his 4000 watt e-bike fully road legal by registering it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tl9iQ8Urlis
Cupramax said:
Wonder if he'll get a visit from plod, Seem to remember a guy on Youtube building illegal high power ebikes and videoing himself riding them around got a surpirse visit one day, linky below.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tl9iQ8Urlis
Yep, illegally riding what is effectively a moped, no different than the kids on paddock bikes and mxers.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tl9iQ8Urlis
Lord Marylebone said:
Indeed.
People keep saying stuff like 'these need to be regulated' or 'these need to be made illegal' and so on.
They are already illegal with quite severe penalties for use.
Not sure what else people would like to see done to make them more illegal?
Make it illegal to sell them, as 100% of the ones that i have seen ridden are privately owned. People keep saying stuff like 'these need to be regulated' or 'these need to be made illegal' and so on.
They are already illegal with quite severe penalties for use.
Not sure what else people would like to see done to make them more illegal?
Cupramax said:
bigothunter said:
I’m all for a bit of fun, but watching that it’s not surprising police are coming down hard on these. 50mph on a footpath… Being hit by something travelling much faster while on the pavement doesn't have much appeal to me.
Toltec said:
Cupramax said:
Wonder if he'll get a visit from plod, Seem to remember a guy on Youtube building illegal high power ebikes and videoing himself riding them around got a surpirse visit one day, linky below.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tl9iQ8Urlis
Yep, illegally riding what is effectively a moped, no different than the kids on paddock bikes and mxers.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tl9iQ8Urlis
https://youtu.be/z-pa8_5Js9Y?t=646
techguyone said:
I hope those are motorbike tyres, doing 70 is utterly mental. The amount of near misses I’ve had with people pulling out on me on my ebike, even just doing 20, that could be a big mess.Cupramax said:
techguyone said:
I hope those are motorbike tyres, doing 70 is utterly mental. The amount of near misses I’ve had with people pulling out on me on my ebike, even just doing 20, that could be a big mess.
"I don't own the bike and it wasn't me riding it, I only dubbed my voice over the top. All figures were falsified and I am not responsible for such stupidity."
"Thanks for another great vid, don't worry about the KPH thing, I've done the maths, turns out 115KPH actually equals 15.5mph,so it's all good"
bigothunter said:
Cupramax said:
techguyone said:
I hope those are motorbike tyres, doing 70 is utterly mental. The amount of near misses I’ve had with people pulling out on me on my ebike, even just doing 20, that could be a big mess."I don't own the bike and it wasn't me riding it, I only dubbed my voice over the top. All figures were falsified and I am not responsible for such stupidity."
"Thanks for another great vid, don't worry about the KPH thing, I've done the maths, turns out 115KPH actually equals 15.5mph,so it's all good"
A 22-year-old man was arrested at the scene on suspicion of section 18 grievous bodily harm, assault on an emergency worker, obstructing a drugs search, failure to stop, dangerous driving, driving without a licence or insurance, breaching the terms of a prison sentence and being unlawfully at large.
Interesting mountain of offences.
Interesting mountain of offences.
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