E Scooters soon to be allowed on UK roads?

E Scooters soon to be allowed on UK roads?

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Laurel Green

30,779 posts

232 months

Sunday 1st August 2021
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It's a wonder they didn't add kiddie fiddling in there too.

J__Wood

318 posts

61 months

Sunday 1st August 2021
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Another idiot doing his very best to stop E scooters being legalised:
"Metropolitan Police officers were taking part in an operation to target illegal use of e-scooters in Willesden High Road at around 1pm on Saturday when they asked one rider, who was riding an e-scooter, to stop.

The man failed to do so and crashed into an officer, knocking him to the floor.

The officer treated at the scene before being taken to hospital where it was confirmed he had suffered a broken leg and concussion."

Quite the prolific offender so hardly a surprise he wasn't too smart:

"A 22-year-old man was arrested at the scene on suspicion of grievous bodily harm, assault on an emergency worker, obstructing a drugs search, failure to stop, dangerous driving, driving without a licence or insurance, breaching the terms of a prison sentence and being unlawfully at large."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/07/31/police...

jakesmith

9,461 posts

171 months

Sunday 1st August 2021
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Has anyone heard about the collision today

Western Musketeer

48 posts

42 months

Sunday 1st August 2021
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the tribester

2,398 posts

86 months

Sunday 1st August 2021
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eccles

13,733 posts

222 months

Sunday 1st August 2021
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Can you actually tax, insure and MOT these scooters? Is it actually possible to ride these things legally on the road?

monthou

4,575 posts

50 months

Sunday 1st August 2021
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eccles said:
Can you actually tax, insure and MOT these scooters? Is it actually possible to ride these things legally on the road?
I'm 99.9% certain it's impossible to put one through an sva test. In which case no, until the law changes.

eccles

13,733 posts

222 months

Sunday 1st August 2021
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monthou said:
eccles said:
Can you actually tax, insure and MOT these scooters? Is it actually possible to ride these things legally on the road?
I'm 99.9% certain it's impossible to put one through an sva test. In which case no, until the law changes.


Thanks.

Tebbers

354 posts

151 months

Sunday 1st August 2021
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As I understand it, they’re not legal and therefore you can’t get insurance for them either so another offence right there. I think the no insurance charge is what most people are done for?

bigothunter

11,266 posts

60 months

Sunday 1st August 2021
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monthou said:
eccles said:
Can you actually tax, insure and MOT these scooters? Is it actually possible to ride these things legally on the road?
I'm 99.9% certain it's impossible to put one through an sva test. In which case no, until the law changes.
Brake tests show eScooters cannot meet 4 m/s^2 max decel which apparently is a pedal cycle legal requirement, so no chance of SVA approval.. Most modern cars will meet 10 m/s^2.
Don't brake hard in your car if an eScooter is following closely. He will end up in your boot yikes

Edited by bigothunter on Sunday 1st August 16:35

giantdefy

684 posts

113 months

Sunday 1st August 2021
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bigothunter said:
Brake tests show eScooters cannot meet 4 m/s^2 max decel which apparently is a pedal cycle legal requirement,
The only legal requirement for bicycle brakes is that there are 2 of them and they operate independently.

Solocle

3,292 posts

84 months

Sunday 1st August 2021
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giantdefy said:
The only legal requirement for bicycle brakes is that there are 2 of them and they operate independently.
Well, they do have to be "effective", and you only need one brake if your seat is below [somewhere in the region of 70 cm]. Which is aimed at children's bikes, but means that the vast majority of recumbents only need a front brake.

Graveworm

8,496 posts

71 months

Sunday 1st August 2021
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giantdefy said:
bigothunter said:
Brake tests show eScooters cannot meet 4 m/s^2 max decel which apparently is a pedal cycle legal requirement,
The only legal requirement for bicycle brakes is that there are 2 of them and they operate independently.
To sell them they have to meet BS EN ISO 4210-2:20148 which gives braking performance and methods for testing them.

bigothunter

11,266 posts

60 months

Sunday 1st August 2021
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Graveworm said:
giantdefy said:
bigothunter said:
Brake tests show eScooters cannot meet 4 m/s^2 max decel which apparently is a pedal cycle legal requirement,
The only legal requirement for bicycle brakes is that there are 2 of them and they operate independently.
To sell them they have to meet BS EN ISO 4210-2:20148 which gives braking performance and methods for testing them.
Austria as part of EU, would not usually set their own vehicle regulations. However they may do for pedal cycles:

"Only one of the five tested e-scooter models delivered better values than the minimum braking deceleration of 4 m/s2 required by law for bicycles."

https://etsc.eu/austrian-warnings-over-e-scooter-s...


Regardless max decel under 4 m/s^2 is poor yes

"The bike came to a standstill fastest with an average stopping distance of 5.5 m and an average braking deceleration of 6.6 m/s2."


Edited by bigothunter on Sunday 1st August 19:11

anonymous-user

54 months

Sunday 1st August 2021
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eccles said:
Can you actually tax, insure and MOT these scooters? Is it actually possible to ride these things legally on the road?
There are a few people on the e scooter forums who have registered them, but they have to have a seat and be registered as a motorcycle/scooter.

This sort of thing:


Gareth79

7,670 posts

246 months

Sunday 1st August 2021
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Lord Marylebone said:
eccles said:
Can you actually tax, insure and MOT these scooters? Is it actually possible to ride these things legally on the road?
There are a few people on the e scooter forums who have registered them, but they have to have a seat and be registered as a motorcycle/scooter.

This sort of thing:

Was just about to post a link to similar ones:
https://roadlegalscooters.com/product-category/roa...

I assume you would need to keep the seat fitted and use it, the same as you couldn't ride around on a moped standing.

eldar

21,752 posts

196 months

Monday 2nd August 2021
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Gareth79 said:
Was just about to post a link to similar ones:
https://roadlegalscooters.com/product-category/roa...

I assume you would need to keep the seat fitted and use it, the same as you couldn't ride around on a moped standing.
Reminds me of the days when a moped had to have pedals, in spite of the fact they were completely impractical.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamaha_FS1

EliseS2

2,788 posts

198 months

Monday 2nd August 2021
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I just hired one in my towns e scooter trial to commute to the station, fantastic! I really think they should be legal.

Mave

8,208 posts

215 months

Monday 2nd August 2021
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bigothunter said:
Brake tests show eScooters cannot meet 4 m/s^2 max decel which apparently is a pedal cycle legal requirement, so no chance of SVA approval.. Most modern cars will meet 10 m/s^2.
Don't brake hard in your car if an eScooter is following closely. He will end up in your boot yikes

Edited by bigothunter on Sunday 1st August 16:35
Really? From data on a recent tyre discussion, I thought cars were more like 6-7 m/s^2 even with decent tyres.

Toltec

7,159 posts

223 months

Monday 2nd August 2021
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Mave said:
Really? From data on a recent tyre discussion, I thought cars were more like 6-7 m/s^2 even with decent tyres.
The highway code braking distance calculation uses near enough 6.5m/s^2