E Scooters soon to be allowed on UK roads?
Discussion
lyonspride said:
Currys and Halfords are selling e-scooters, the "big boys" wouldn't be doing this if they didn't think something was going to change regarding the legal side of having/using one.
They've been doing it for years. Just like they've sold headlight bulbs and number plates for "show" purposes only.It's not illegal to sell toy scooters.
Evanivitch said:
lyonspride said:
Currys and Halfords are selling e-scooters, the "big boys" wouldn't be doing this if they didn't think something was going to change regarding the legal side of having/using one.
They've been doing it for years. Just like they've sold headlight bulbs and number plates for "show" purposes only.It's not illegal to sell toy scooters.
lyonspride said:
Evanivitch said:
lyonspride said:
Currys and Halfords are selling e-scooters, the "big boys" wouldn't be doing this if they didn't think something was going to change regarding the legal side of having/using one.
They've been doing it for years. Just like they've sold headlight bulbs and number plates for "show" purposes only.It's not illegal to sell toy scooters.
I just sold mine on eBay, got £202 for it a year after buying it for £700. Selling as any change in law is likely to be well after March next year, may come with additional hardware requirements that my existing model can't meet, plus the battery will deteriorate sitting there for a year, and if it is made legal I'll want a really good model with a more powerful motor as my 350w one struggled a bit up steep hills when I have shopping.
bmwmike said:
Lots of escooters over here in RoI and nobody seems to mind them - drivers or pedestrians - from what i've observed. What is it about us brits that makes us huff and moan whenever somebody else takes the initiative on something.
It's the population factor of f
k you I'm doing what i want, I'll ride where I want, as fast as I want, and if it inconveniences you/makes it dangerous, fk you too mentality.Perhaps other Countries don't have this, but we seem to, in spades.
techguyone said:
bmwmike said:
Lots of escooters over here in RoI and nobody seems to mind them - drivers or pedestrians - from what i've observed. What is it about us brits that makes us huff and moan whenever somebody else takes the initiative on something.
It's the population factor of fk you I'm doing what i want, I'll ride where I want, as fast as I want, and if it inconveniences you/makes it dangerous, fk you too mentality.Perhaps other Countries don't have this, but we seem to, in spades.
s than escooter-s.bmwmike said:
Lots of escooters over here in RoI and nobody seems to mind them - drivers or pedestrians - from what i've observed. What is it about us brits that makes us huff and moan whenever somebody else takes the initiative on something.
Fear of change, we are a nation of quivering Luddites. E scooters, electric cars, auto handbrakes and any progress get two thirds of PH empurpled with fear and loathing.eldar said:
Fear of change, we are a nation of quivering Luddites. E scooters, electric cars, auto handbrakes and any progress get two thirds of PH empurpled with fear and loathing.
To be fair, auto handbrakes are totally st.Last time it was snowy would hev been much more fun if I could have done some handbrake turns =)
Lord Marylebone said:
eccles said:
Can you actually tax, insure and MOT these scooters? Is it actually possible to ride these things legally on the road?
There are a few people on the e scooter forums who have registered them, but they have to have a seat and be registered as a motorcycle/scooter.This sort of thing:
https://viperscooters.com/product/viper-evoking-du...
bmwmike said:
techguyone said:
bmwmike said:
Lots of escooters over here in RoI and nobody seems to mind them - drivers or pedestrians - from what i've observed. What is it about us brits that makes us huff and moan whenever somebody else takes the initiative on something.
It's the population factor of fk you I'm doing what i want, I'll ride where I want, as fast as I want, and if it inconveniences you/makes it dangerous, fk you too mentality.Perhaps other Countries don't have this, but we seem to, in spades.
s than escooter-s.bmwmike said:
Lots of escooters over here in RoI and nobody seems to mind them - drivers or pedestrians - from what i've observed. What is it about us brits that makes us huff and moan whenever somebody else takes the initiative on something.
We actively hate people who do things differently to the masses, it's tribal, it's why there's so much hate for cyclists and bikers. The only western country worse than us is Germany, because in Germany social conformance is very VERY big deal.The mentality is that by not conforming to the norms, you are somehow cheating, a dishonest person, an outlier, subhuman.
This is why people are keen to see laws put in place to stop people doing harmless things which differ from the norm, keen to give up a slice of their own freedom in order to stop people being different.
jakesmith said:
Lord Marylebone said:
eccles said:
Can you actually tax, insure and MOT these scooters? Is it actually possible to ride these things legally on the road?
There are a few people on the e scooter forums who have registered them, but they have to have a seat and be registered as a motorcycle/scooter.This sort of thing:
https://viperscooters.com/product/viper-evoking-du...
This was a recent one that got registered by one of the members:
Just be prepared to ignore the vast majority of people who post on those electric scooter Facebook forums, as many of them are very "f
k the Police" and say inflammatory rubbish like "Bro, just buy an even faster scooter, then the pigs won't catch you. Ain't no way I'm stopping for the pigs innit bro" etc.The manufacturer I just contacted about that said they can not be insured
The manufacturer of the Viper Evoking pictured well above gave me the number of an insurer who they work with who couldn't help but gave me the names of 5 other companies who couldn't help
Based on my experiences today so far I am yet to be convinced that there is any legal route for riding one of these, even if they can be registered with DVLA. Might as well save the money on one of these £1500 scooters if you'd be done for no insurance same as a £300 one if I got stopped.
The manufacturer of the Viper Evoking pictured well above gave me the number of an insurer who they work with who couldn't help but gave me the names of 5 other companies who couldn't help
Based on my experiences today so far I am yet to be convinced that there is any legal route for riding one of these, even if they can be registered with DVLA. Might as well save the money on one of these £1500 scooters if you'd be done for no insurance same as a £300 one if I got stopped.
The for hire E-Scooters will have been tested before being placed out for hire and speed limited along with carrying compulsory insurance as well as an identifying mark if they are involved in a collision.
Private E-Scooters will not be speed limited (and those that are can easily be reflashed) and ontop of that the users are likely to not have insurance or any ID on the scooter making hit and runs on the pavement far more likely.
The users on this thread aren't representative of the people I see riding them day in day out, mainly the users I see are young lower socioeconomic males that have little regard to others the same type that a couple of years back would have been terrorising locals on their 50cc mopeds.
Private E-Scooters will not be speed limited (and those that are can easily be reflashed) and ontop of that the users are likely to not have insurance or any ID on the scooter making hit and runs on the pavement far more likely.
The users on this thread aren't representative of the people I see riding them day in day out, mainly the users I see are young lower socioeconomic males that have little regard to others the same type that a couple of years back would have been terrorising locals on their 50cc mopeds.
untakenname said:
The for hire E-Scooters will have been tested before being placed out for hire and speed limited along with carrying compulsory insurance as well as an identifying mark if they are involved in a collision.
Additionally if they are like my local ones they are geofenced to prevent their use in the town centre pedestrianised areas.untakenname said:
The for hire E-Scooters will have been tested before being placed out for hire and speed limited along with carrying compulsory insurance as well as an identifying mark if they are involved in a collision.
Private E-Scooters will not be speed limited (and those that are can easily be reflashed) and ontop of that the users are likely to not have insurance or any ID on the scooter making hit and runs on the pavement far more likely.
The users on this thread aren't representative of the people I see riding them day in day out, mainly the users I see are young lower socioeconomic males that have little regard to others the same type that a couple of years back would have been terrorising locals on their 50cc mopeds.
The same could apply to e-bikes. Private E-Scooters will not be speed limited (and those that are can easily be reflashed) and ontop of that the users are likely to not have insurance or any ID on the scooter making hit and runs on the pavement far more likely.
The users on this thread aren't representative of the people I see riding them day in day out, mainly the users I see are young lower socioeconomic males that have little regard to others the same type that a couple of years back would have been terrorising locals on their 50cc mopeds.
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