E Scooters soon to be allowed on UK roads?
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Dog Star said:
The UK has always been poor on this type of thing.
I’ll take legal e-bikes (again) as an example - there is no way they’d be allowed in the UK if they hadn’t been permitted by EU legislation.
They were already allowed before we adopted the eu rules in (I think) 2016. I’ll take legal e-bikes (again) as an example - there is no way they’d be allowed in the UK if they hadn’t been permitted by EU legislation.
edit: The EAPC regs (1983) is what I was thinking of. No idea what the situation was before then, but was that based on eu (or whatever it was called pre-Maastricht) legislation? Seems a bit odd that we had our own rules if so.
Edited by monthou on Thursday 22 June 19:31
Bo_apex said:
They're regularly doing 35+ in 20 zones.
Silent and dangerous.
I have never seen a single scooter doing 35MPH+. It's not a regular thing. Silent and dangerous.
I see you started a new thread, that was locked, asking them to pay VED. The same as other electric vehicles there are no emissions and VED is zero.
Rented one of these the other week in Dusseldorf, and am surprised they're so popular. Rental price was the same as for an e-bike and given the choice I'd take a bike every time. Not that comfortable to stand on as there's not really enough space on the deck for both feet, not all that stable (I happily cycle hands free but didn't manage to take one hand off the bars on the scooter), and really skittish over bumps.
RizzoTheRat said:
Rented one of these the other week in Dusseldorf, and am surprised they're so popular. Rental price was the same as for an e-bike and given the choice I'd take a bike every time. Not that comfortable to stand on as there's not really enough space on the deck for both feet, not all that stable (I happily cycle hands free but didn't manage to take one hand off the bars on the scooter), and really skittish over bumps.
I’m not at all surprised they’re popular. I’m currently in Malta and the rental ones are everywhere. The app works seamlessly, and they’re so cheap. Limited to 24kph but that’s plenty fast enough. Took one from St. Juliens to Valetta yesterday, round the bay not just to the ferry and it was great fun.
Note: The ‘Bolt’ ones are great. The ‘Bird’ brand not so much.
RizzoTheRat said:
Rented one of these the other week in Dusseldorf, and am surprised they're so popular. Rental price was the same as for an e-bike and given the choice I'd take a bike every time. Not that comfortable to stand on as there's not really enough space on the deck for both feet, not all that stable (I happily cycle hands free but didn't manage to take one hand off the bars on the scooter), and really skittish over bumps.
Used those in Krakow a few weeks ago and thought they were fine, even over some of the cobbles near the castle.I think it depends on the distance. I love hopping on my escooter for short trips and then not needing to worry about parking/locking it all up. Just clip the bar down and Chuck it next to me wherever I am heading.
I wouldn’t want to be riding it for miles and miles at a time in terms of comfort and stability.
I wouldn’t want to be riding it for miles and miles at a time in terms of comfort and stability.
Interesting change in tactics from the Police, now they will go after the parents if a child is caught using one on the streets, assume it will be the same for the powerful e-bikes.
Police said:
"We are going to be moving to enforcement very, very quickly," he said.
"We are going to be prosecuting the parents for no insurance - for use, cause, permit - in January and we will be seizing a lot of these scooters very, very shortly."
The penalty is the same as for driving without insurance - £300 and six points on a driving licence or an unlimited fine and disqualification if the case goes to court.
Mr Hogg said a police publicity campaign would soon be launched to urge parents not to buy e-scooters ahead of Christmas.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-67...
My work has clamped down on e-scooters due to the fire risk so people can't bring them inside anymore, I've noticed people with scooters being turned away at Blackfriars as well so it looks like adults are getting the message."We are going to be prosecuting the parents for no insurance - for use, cause, permit - in January and we will be seizing a lot of these scooters very, very shortly."
The penalty is the same as for driving without insurance - £300 and six points on a driving licence or an unlimited fine and disqualification if the case goes to court.
Mr Hogg said a police publicity campaign would soon be launched to urge parents not to buy e-scooters ahead of Christmas.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-67...
untakenname said:
Interesting change in tactics from the Police, now they will go after the parents if a child is caught using one on the streets, assume it will be the same for the powerful e-bikes.
Lets be honest...they aren'tPolice said:
"We are going to be moving to enforcement very, very quickly," he said.
"We are going to be prosecuting the parents for no insurance - for use, cause, permit - in January and we will be seizing a lot of these scooters very, very shortly."
The penalty is the same as for driving without insurance - £300 and six points on a driving licence or an unlimited fine and disqualification if the case goes to court.
Mr Hogg said a police publicity campaign would soon be launched to urge parents not to buy e-scooters ahead of Christmas.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-67...
My work has clamped down on e-scooters due to the fire risk so people can't bring them inside anymore, I've noticed people with scooters being turned away at Blackfriars as well so it looks like adults are getting the message."We are going to be prosecuting the parents for no insurance - for use, cause, permit - in January and we will be seizing a lot of these scooters very, very shortly."
The penalty is the same as for driving without insurance - £300 and six points on a driving licence or an unlimited fine and disqualification if the case goes to court.
Mr Hogg said a police publicity campaign would soon be launched to urge parents not to buy e-scooters ahead of Christmas.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-67...
they're just trying to make noise and prevent sales of them at christmas
Edited by andburg on Wednesday 29th November 13:32
untakenname said:
My work has clamped down on e-scooters due to the fire risk so people can't bring them inside anymore, I've noticed people with scooters being turned away at Blackfriars as well so it looks like adults are getting the message.
Certainly noticeable fewer scooters in Coventry. Been replaced by the big tyred e-bikes - bigger, faster and more numerous. And almost impossible for the police to stop, allegedly. Unintended consequences?I'd agree with andburg here - it will be just another campaign with none of the resources or desire to actually action any of it, I'd like to see them do it but given they've failed on any of the previous ones I can't see it happening.
That said if they do go ahead they need to remember this also covers hoverboards too and make sure they head to the local parks on Boxing Day (if hoverboards are still a thing).
I'd still rather have them do something about the delivery riders on their high-speed, no need to pedal, ebikes on the footpaths though to be fair.
That said if they do go ahead they need to remember this also covers hoverboards too and make sure they head to the local parks on Boxing Day (if hoverboards are still a thing).
I'd still rather have them do something about the delivery riders on their high-speed, no need to pedal, ebikes on the footpaths though to be fair.
andburg said:
Lets be honest...they aren't
they're just trying to make noise and prevent sales of them at christmas
I'd imagine most parents will have ordered them already if they were going to?they're just trying to make noise and prevent sales of them at christmas
Edited by andburg on Wednesday 29th November 13:32
Maybe kids need places to ride these toys, a bit like the skateparks they're still talking about building as the average skateboard user becomes a grandparent?
Dixy said:
It is truly appalling that this thread has run for 3 years during which time the state has failed to review and create legislation that covers all electric personal transport.
There are some proposals for a new motorcycle licence path and it includes scooters etc. from 14 years old.https://www.visordown.com/news/industry/%E2%80%98c...
dhutch said:
andburg said:
Lets be honest...they aren't
they're just trying to make noise and prevent sales of them at christmas
I am sure there is some of that!they're just trying to make noise and prevent sales of them at christmas
In fairness, I feel for the police slightly, as they are trapped between the public demands, and the glacial pace of reforms to the law.
Dixy said:
It is truly appalling that this thread has run for 3 years during which time the state has failed to review and create legislation that covers all electric personal transport.
And apparently the 'temporary' rental e-scooter trial is going fine. (I'd guess they would have scrapped it by now if not).How long has that been going on for now. 3 Years?
It's a joke.
Donbot said:
Dixy said:
It is truly appalling that this thread has run for 3 years during which time the state has failed to review and create legislation that covers all electric personal transport.
And apparently the 'temporary' rental e-scooter trial is going fine. (I'd guess they would have scrapped it by now if not).How long has that been going on for now. 3 Years?
It's a joke.
No modal change away from cars, instead a change away from more healthy and less polluting transport. No reduction in congestion, increased accident rates along with high levels of complaints about anti social behavior and abuse.
Edited by Graveworm on Thursday 30th November 12:45
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