E Scooters soon to be allowed on UK roads?
Discussion
Toltec said:
There are some proposals for a new motorcycle licence path and it includes scooters etc. from 14 years old.
https://www.visordown.com/news/industry/%E2%80%98c...
Looks like a sensible proposal. So extremely unlikely to happen https://www.visordown.com/news/industry/%E2%80%98c...
Graveworm said:
It's because it isn't going "Fine", that is has been extended to try and understand why and no further trials are to be allowed.
No modal change away from cars, instead a change away from more healthy and less polluting transport. No reduction in congestion, increased accident rates along with high levels of complaints about anti social behavior and abuse.
Really? Round here people only seem to be complaining about where they are left. No modal change away from cars, instead a change away from more healthy and less polluting transport. No reduction in congestion, increased accident rates along with high levels of complaints about anti social behavior and abuse.
I'm not surprised congestion hasn't been reduced, as apart from early on when they were a novelty people barely use them.
It's inevitable accidents would go up with a new form of transport. I wouldn't be surprised if bicycles were illegal if they were invented 3 years ago.
Edit - I didn't read who I was replying to. You just have a massive chip on your shoulder about these things regardless.
andburg said:
untakenname said:
Interesting change in tactics from the Police, now they will go after the parents if a child is caught using one on the streets, assume it will be the same for the powerful e-bikes.
Lets be honest...they aren'tPolice said:
"We are going to be moving to enforcement very, very quickly," he said.
"We are going to be prosecuting the parents for no insurance - for use, cause, permit - in January and we will be seizing a lot of these scooters very, very shortly."
The penalty is the same as for driving without insurance - £300 and six points on a driving licence or an unlimited fine and disqualification if the case goes to court.
Mr Hogg said a police publicity campaign would soon be launched to urge parents not to buy e-scooters ahead of Christmas.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-67...
My work has clamped down on e-scooters due to the fire risk so people can't bring them inside anymore, I've noticed people with scooters being turned away at Blackfriars as well so it looks like adults are getting the message."We are going to be prosecuting the parents for no insurance - for use, cause, permit - in January and we will be seizing a lot of these scooters very, very shortly."
The penalty is the same as for driving without insurance - £300 and six points on a driving licence or an unlimited fine and disqualification if the case goes to court.
Mr Hogg said a police publicity campaign would soon be launched to urge parents not to buy e-scooters ahead of Christmas.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-67...
they're just trying to make noise and prevent sales of them at christmas
Edited by andburg on Wednesday 29th November 13:32
eldar said:
Which parent, do carers such as grandparents, babysitters or teachers stand to get the points prize?
Genius thinking.
Whichever one of them has legal responsibility for the minor. Genius thinking.
it is genius thinking. Maybe parents would take some interest if they were on the hook for the behaviour of their offspring.
waits for the inevitable wailing "whataboutery"
Graveworm said:
It's because it isn't going "Fine", that is has been extended to try and understand why and no further trials are to be allowed.
No modal change away from cars, instead a change away from more healthy and less polluting transport. No reduction in congestion, increased accident rates along with high levels of complaints about anti social behavior and abuse.
if true...doesnt surprise me in the slightest, the only way you'll turn that is to restrict cars from the urban environment.No modal change away from cars, instead a change away from more healthy and less polluting transport. No reduction in congestion, increased accident rates along with high levels of complaints about anti social behavior and abuse.
Edited by Graveworm on Thursday 30th November 12:45
areas where scooters make sense are also areas where walking or cycling currently does and longer commutes where a car is used would probably be slowed substantially.
my commute is 8 miles, well within range of any scooter but that 8 miles takes me just under 15 minutes as its over 80% 50mph limit and motorway. I reckon to avoid motorways and stick to A roads it'd be 6 miles but take about half an hour. I dont fancy half an hour stood on an escooter doing 10-15mph while traffic blitzes past me at 50+
TriumphStag3.0V8 said:
eldar said:
Which parent, do carers such as grandparents, babysitters or teachers stand to get the points prize?
Genius thinking.
Whichever one of them has legal responsibility for the minor. Genius thinking.
it is genius thinking. Maybe parents would take some interest if they were on the hook for the behaviour of their offspring.
waits for the inevitable wailing "whataboutery"
Rushing into somethingmustbedone Daily Mail outrage always works so well.
Donbot said:
Toltec said:
There are some proposals for a new motorcycle licence path and it includes scooters etc. from 14 years old.
https://www.visordown.com/news/industry/%E2%80%98c...
Looks like a sensible proposal. So extremely unlikely to happen https://www.visordown.com/news/industry/%E2%80%98c...
And what has leaving the EU got to do with it? (as per the article), several EU countries have allowed moped use by 14 year olds without even needing a test since forever.
Donbot said:
Graveworm said:
It's because it isn't going "Fine", that is has been extended to try and understand why and no further trials are to be allowed.
No modal change away from cars, instead a change away from more healthy and less polluting transport. No reduction in congestion, increased accident rates along with high levels of complaints about anti social behavior and abuse.
Really? Round here people only seem to be complaining about where they are left. No modal change away from cars, instead a change away from more healthy and less polluting transport. No reduction in congestion, increased accident rates along with high levels of complaints about anti social behavior and abuse.
I'm not surprised congestion hasn't been reduced, as apart from early on when they were a novelty people barely use them.
It's inevitable accidents would go up with a new form of transport. I wouldn't be surprised if bicycles were illegal if they were invented 3 years ago.
Edit - I didn't read who I was replying to. You just have a massive chip on your shoulder about these things regardless.
My concern/chip is that this seems to be being driven by "Surely they are a good idea" "I want one so why are they illegal". I would rather look at the evidence, that should be pretty clear, if we are going to use up time and resources changing laws and introducing infrastructure, when those resources are finite and valuable.
Graveworm said:
If they were legal I would probably get one, I have used them and Segways where they have been legal many times.
My concern/chip is that this seems to be being driven by "Surely they are a good idea" "I want one so why are they illegal". I would rather look at the evidence, that should be pretty clear, if we are going to use up time and resources changing laws and introducing infrastructure, when those resources are finite and valuable.
You would buy one if they were legal? And you need the government to tell you how dangerous it is? Bit of a strange stance to take. My concern/chip is that this seems to be being driven by "Surely they are a good idea" "I want one so why are they illegal". I would rather look at the evidence, that should be pretty clear, if we are going to use up time and resources changing laws and introducing infrastructure, when those resources are finite and valuable.
Infrastructure doesn't need to be introduced as they can just be treated the same as the rental ones are now.
Edited by Donbot on Thursday 30th November 14:25
eldar said:
TriumphStag3.0V8 said:
eldar said:
Which parent, do carers such as grandparents, babysitters or teachers stand to get the points prize?
Genius thinking.
Whichever one of them has legal responsibility for the minor. Genius thinking.
it is genius thinking. Maybe parents would take some interest if they were on the hook for the behaviour of their offspring.
waits for the inevitable wailing "whataboutery"
Rushing into somethingmustbedone Daily Mail outrage always works so well.
Donbot said:
Graveworm said:
If they were legal I would probably get one, I have used them and Segways where they have been legal many times.
My concern/chip is that this seems to be being driven by "Surely they are a good idea" "I want one so why are they illegal". I would rather look at the evidence, that should be pretty clear, if we are going to use up time and resources changing laws and introducing infrastructure, when those resources are finite and valuable.
You would buy one if they were legal? And you need the government to tell you how dangerous it is? Bit of a strange stance to take. My concern/chip is that this seems to be being driven by "Surely they are a good idea" "I want one so why are they illegal". I would rather look at the evidence, that should be pretty clear, if we are going to use up time and resources changing laws and introducing infrastructure, when those resources are finite and valuable.
Infrastructure doesn't need to be introduced as they can just be treated the same as the rental ones are now.
Edited by Donbot on Thursday 30th November 14:25
The burden to demonstrate a need to change the status quo is upon those who seek to change it.
There is infrastructure with the pilot schemes, it would need to nationwide if rolled out. If regulation and testing is part of the roll out then that also needs infrastructure changes. The e-scooter companies scooters say that they require different infrastructure to cycles.
Graveworm said:
No I would expect the government to look at the big picture and decide, on the evidence, if it's worth changing the law to make them legal. If that happens, I will decide if and when, I am willing to accept the risks - same as with pretty much everything nearly everyone does daily.
The burden to demonstrate a need to change the status quo is upon those who seek to change it.
There is infrastructure with the pilot schemes, it would need to nationwide if rolled out. If regulation and testing is part of the roll out then that also needs infrastructure changes. The e-scooter companies scooters say that they require different infrastructure to cycles.
None of that needs to happen. It's just excuses for the political dragging out of decision making.The burden to demonstrate a need to change the status quo is upon those who seek to change it.
There is infrastructure with the pilot schemes, it would need to nationwide if rolled out. If regulation and testing is part of the roll out then that also needs infrastructure changes. The e-scooter companies scooters say that they require different infrastructure to cycles.
As far as I know pretty much every other country has sorted something. While we remain in some weird limbo where you can rent a scooter but not own one to ride on the road. Even though you can rent one on long term loan to use. It's stupid.
Donbot said:
Graveworm said:
No I would expect the government to look at the big picture and decide, on the evidence, if it's worth changing the law to make them legal. If that happens, I will decide if and when, I am willing to accept the risks - same as with pretty much everything nearly everyone does daily.
The burden to demonstrate a need to change the status quo is upon those who seek to change it.
There is infrastructure with the pilot schemes, it would need to nationwide if rolled out. If regulation and testing is part of the roll out then that also needs infrastructure changes. The e-scooter companies scooters say that they require different infrastructure to cycles.
None of that needs to happen. It's just excuses for the political dragging out of decision making.The burden to demonstrate a need to change the status quo is upon those who seek to change it.
There is infrastructure with the pilot schemes, it would need to nationwide if rolled out. If regulation and testing is part of the roll out then that also needs infrastructure changes. The e-scooter companies scooters say that they require different infrastructure to cycles.
As far as I know pretty much every other country has sorted something. While we remain in some weird limbo where you can rent a scooter but not own one to ride on the road. Even though you can rent one on long term loan to use. It's stupid.
Edited by Graveworm on Thursday 30th November 15:03
eldar said:
Tim330 said:
Does the law permit points on the parents licence for a minors illegal behavior? Same if they drove your car without a licence?
Which parent, do carers such as grandparents, babysitters or teachers stand to get the points prize?Genius thinking.
ChocolateFrog said:
Would be funny if the police actually started taking notice.
Just one day in a city centre would bag a few thousand easily.
I'd love to be there just to admire all the slapped arse faces.
I'm in Manchester City Centre and prior to the recent crackdowns there were lots being used by commuters in quite a sensible fashion without issue. All those users seem to have disappeared to be replaced by food delivery riders on illegal ebikes riding like lunatics, hardly ever see scooters anymore. Just one day in a city centre would bag a few thousand easily.
I'd love to be there just to admire all the slapped arse faces.
JQ said:
I'm in Manchester City Centre and prior to the recent crackdowns there were lots being used by commuters in quite a sensible fashion without issue. All those users seem to have disappeared to be replaced by Drug delivery riders on illegal ebikes riding like lunatics, hardly ever see scooters anymore.
fixed that for youLeeds University are bringing in measures to ban them on site while trying to add additional support to ensure e-bikes can be charged outside rather than being brought indoors...
https://yorkshirebylines.co.uk/news/transport/e-sc...
There have been a couple of fires on campus caused by charging so it was inevitable.
https://yorkshirebylines.co.uk/news/transport/e-sc...
There have been a couple of fires on campus caused by charging so it was inevitable.
thetapeworm said:
Leeds University are bringing in measures to ban them on site while trying to add additional support to ensure e-bikes can be charged outside rather than being brought indoors...
https://yorkshirebylines.co.uk/news/transport/e-sc...
There have been a couple of fires on campus caused by charging so it was inevitable.
Hardly any point, they will just get stolen if left outside, unless they are in a secured area or lockers with monitoring in place. https://yorkshirebylines.co.uk/news/transport/e-sc...
There have been a couple of fires on campus caused by charging so it was inevitable.
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