E Scooters soon to be allowed on UK roads?

[dhutch]

Toltec said:

Hardly any point, they will just get stolen if left outside, unless they are in a secured area or lockers with monitoring in place.

Sadly so, even the bike stores at our uni where well known not to be safe even for a conventional mid-spec hardtail trail bike, keep it in your room or get it nicked! So I cant see an e-bike staying put unless they have seriously though about how to secure the charging areas. People will just bring them in anyway.

[The Gauge]

It's a shame that e-scooters don't seem ever to succeed, they could solve a lot of issues, allow for greater use of public transport by making bus stops and train stations within reach, reduce traffic and get people moving places. Sadly the trains and busses won't want them on in case the batteries catch fire, and thanks to scrotes using them illegally society deems them anti social.

[markymarkthree]

The Gauge said:

It's a shame that e-scooters don't seem ever to succeed, they could solve a lot of issues, allow for greater use of public transport by making bus stops and train stations within reach, reduce traffic and get people moving places. Sadly the trains and busses won't want them on in case the batteries catch fire, and thanks to scrotes using them illegally society deems them anti social.

All i ever see on them is scrotes so i have no interest in seeing them legalised.

[Heaveho]

markymarkthree said:

All i ever see on them is scrotes so i have no interest in seeing them legalised.

The city centre here seems to attract exactly that, or cretins with no road sense and no helmets, often on the paths. I hate them. They just seem to get dumped like litter when not being used.

[The Gauge]

markymarkthree said:

All i ever see on them is scrotes so i have no interest in seeing them legalised.

But the scrotes already have them, anyone who wants to use them illegally already is. I'm on about allowing the rest of the sensible population to use them as well.

[Hugo Stiglitz]

Anything on the horizon yet for legalisation?

[Heaveho]

The Gauge said:

But the scrotes already have them, anyone who wants to use them illegally already is. I'm on about allowing the rest of the sensible population to use them as well.

If the part of the population who are allowed to use them include people who haven't passed a test or have no experience of operating a vehicle in traffic, then "sensible" has no bearing on this discussion.

[Abbott]

I came across this presentation from my old boss. It is the planned activities of a working group on the safety of E-Scooters.

[Donbot]

^Well that's 9 minutes I won't get back

tldr - scooters are wobbly, how can we make them less wobbly.

[The Gauge]

Heaveho said:

If the part of the population who are allowed to use them include people who haven't passed a test or have no experience of operating a vehicle in traffic, then "sensible" has no bearing on this discussion.

No different to legal e-bikes.

[Toltec]

The Gauge said:

Heaveho said:

If the part of the population who are allowed to use them include people who haven't passed a test or have no experience of operating a vehicle in traffic, then "sensible" has no bearing on this discussion.

No different to legal e-bikes.

Or pushbikes or indeed moped riders, well the latter have to do the CBT, but potentially still do not have any experience.

[Heaveho]

Toltec said:

Or pushbikes or indeed moped riders, well the latter have to do the CBT, but potentially still do not have any experience.

The latter also have to have insurance. Something else that conveniently seems to get frequently overlooked when something new is touted as a good idea.

[thetapeworm]

"E-scooters seized in Coventry city centre as police enforce ban"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-coventry-war...

It reads aa though the issue is riders not dismounting in a pedestrian area rather than the use of scooters as a whole.

Edited by thetapeworm on Friday 8th December 00:35

[MB140]

markymarkthree said:

The Gauge said:

It's a shame that e-scooters don't seem ever to succeed, they could solve a lot of issues, allow for greater use of public transport by making bus stops and train stations within reach, reduce traffic and get people moving places. Sadly the trains and busses won't want them on in case the batteries catch fire, and thanks to scrotes using them illegally society deems them anti social.

All i ever see on them is scrotes so i have no interest in seeing them legalised.

All you ever see on them is scrotes because the uk government has threatened everybody with 6 points on their driving licence. This means all the law abiding people no longer use them just the scrotes. You are seeing a biased usage (scrotes) because of the uk government.

My opinion is because secretly they don’t give a toss about the environment or people’s ability to move about. They just care about the lost tax income from people not buying fuel / not paying for public transport. So simply find an excuse to ban them so we go back to cars or paid for public transport which has a never ending tax income. Unlike an e-scooter which has tax at point of sale only.

Why do you think the rental ones are allowed. Because they can be taxed every time they are used.

Edited by MB140 on Friday 8th December 09:20

[Hugo Stiglitz]

A lot of Honk Kong arrivals use them. I really hope anyone stopping them uses discretion.

[Graveworm]

MB140 said:

markymarkthree said:

The Gauge said:

It's a shame that e-scooters don't seem ever to succeed, they could solve a lot of issues, allow for greater use of public transport by making bus stops and train stations within reach, reduce traffic and get people moving places. Sadly the trains and busses won't want them on in case the batteries catch fire, and thanks to scrotes using them illegally society deems them anti social.

All i ever see on them is scrotes so i have no interest in seeing them legalised.

All you ever see on them is scrotes because the uk government has threatened everybody with 6 points on their driving licence. This means all the law abiding people no longer use them just the scrotes. You are seeing a biased usage (scrotes) because of the uk government.

My opinion is because secretly they don’t give a toss about the environment or people’s ability to move about. They just care about the lost tax income from people not buying fuel / not paying for public transport. So simply find an excuse to ban them so we go back to cars or paid for public transport which has a never ending tax income. Unlike an e-scooter which has tax at point of sale only.

Why do you think the rental ones are allowed. Because they can be taxed every time they are used.

The rentals are allowed because they are a pilot despite needing a driving licence to hire them they are failing and they have been extended, where councils haven't cancelled them, to try and see if they can be saved. But new pilot schemes have been banned.

As for the environment, people were changing from cleaner transport to the e-scooters so they were worse for the environment not better. The original report in favour of the trial already said they would not be of benefit for the environment, based on the experience around the world. The principle benefits put forward were that they would be a good way for poor people to get around, who could not afford other powered vehicles and for alternative to public transport in the Pandemic.

[JQ]

Graveworm said:

MB140 said:

markymarkthree said:

The Gauge said:

It's a shame that e-scooters don't seem ever to succeed, they could solve a lot of issues, allow for greater use of public transport by making bus stops and train stations within reach, reduce traffic and get people moving places. Sadly the trains and busses won't want them on in case the batteries catch fire, and thanks to scrotes using them illegally society deems them anti social.

All i ever see on them is scrotes so i have no interest in seeing them legalised.

All you ever see on them is scrotes because the uk government has threatened everybody with 6 points on their driving licence. This means all the law abiding people no longer use them just the scrotes. You are seeing a biased usage (scrotes) because of the uk government.

My opinion is because secretly they don’t give a toss about the environment or people’s ability to move about. They just care about the lost tax income from people not buying fuel / not paying for public transport. So simply find an excuse to ban them so we go back to cars or paid for public transport which has a never ending tax income. Unlike an e-scooter which has tax at point of sale only.

Why do you think the rental ones are allowed. Because they can be taxed every time they are used.

The rentals are allowed because they are a pilot despite needing a driving licence to hire them they are failing and they have been extended, where councils haven't cancelled them, to try and see if they can be saved. But new pilot schemes have been banned.

As for the environment, people were changing from cleaner transport to the e-scooters so they were worse for the environment not better. The original report in favour of the trial already said they would not be of benefit for the environment, based on the experience around the world. The principle benefits put forward were that they would be a good way for poor people to get around, who could not afford other powered vehicles and for alternative to public transport in the Pandemic.

I'm not sure if you'd be able to answer this, but was there any consideration given to the possibility that rental schemes did not reflect ownership use? I've never rented one in the UK (despite there being a scheme in town), but i would buy one. I'd use it for short journeys direct from my home in the suburbs where currently I drive.

[Graveworm]

JQ said:

Graveworm said:

MB140 said:

markymarkthree said:

The Gauge said:

It's a shame that e-scooters don't seem ever to succeed, they could solve a lot of issues, allow for greater use of public transport by making bus stops and train stations within reach, reduce traffic and get people moving places. Sadly the trains and busses won't want them on in case the batteries catch fire, and thanks to scrotes using them illegally society deems them anti social.

All i ever see on them is scrotes so i have no interest in seeing them legalised.

All you ever see on them is scrotes because the uk government has threatened everybody with 6 points on their driving licence. This means all the law abiding people no longer use them just the scrotes. You are seeing a biased usage (scrotes) because of the uk government.

My opinion is because secretly they don’t give a toss about the environment or people’s ability to move about. They just care about the lost tax income from people not buying fuel / not paying for public transport. So simply find an excuse to ban them so we go back to cars or paid for public transport which has a never ending tax income. Unlike an e-scooter which has tax at point of sale only.

Why do you think the rental ones are allowed. Because they can be taxed every time they are used.

The rentals are allowed because they are a pilot despite needing a driving licence to hire them they are failing and they have been extended, where councils haven't cancelled them, to try and see if they can be saved. But new pilot schemes have been banned.

As for the environment, people were changing from cleaner transport to the e-scooters so they were worse for the environment not better. The original report in favour of the trial already said they would not be of benefit for the environment, based on the experience around the world. The principle benefits put forward were that they would be a good way for poor people to get around, who could not afford other powered vehicles and for alternative to public transport in the Pandemic.

I'm not sure if you'd be able to answer this, but was there any consideration given to the possibility that rental schemes did not reflect ownership use? I've never rented one in the UK (despite there being a scheme in town), but i would buy one. I'd use it for short journeys direct from my home in the suburbs where currently I drive.

The original report was based on modal transport changes, around the world, based on escooters in general. TLDR too many people use them to replace walking, cycling or push scooter journeys to offset the few who used them instead of motor vehicles.

[eldar]

Graveworm said:

The original report was based on modal transport changes, around the world, based on escooters in general. TLDR too many people use them to replace walking, cycling or push scooter journeys to offset the few who used them instead of motor vehicles.

Push scooters? I've not seen anyone over 7 years old use a push scooter, unless pissed.

Wasn't at least one report strongly pushed by the cycle lobby, who regard Escooters, and E-bikes as some sort of threat?

[Graveworm]

eldar said:

Graveworm said:

The original report was based on modal transport changes, around the world, based on escooters in general. TLDR too many people use them to replace walking, cycling or push scooter journeys to offset the few who used them instead of motor vehicles.

Push scooters? I've not seen anyone over 7 years old use a push scooter, unless pissed.

Wasn't at least one report strongly pushed by the cycle lobby, who regard Escooters, and E-bikes as some sort of threat?

It was the transport committee report, which was in favor of escooters, being legalised and led to the trials. Even they, now, seem to have put their foot on the "Brake".