E Scooters soon to be allowed on UK roads?

E Scooters soon to be allowed on UK roads?

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Graveworm

8,496 posts

71 months

Tuesday 16th April
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They first legal escooter is available to pre order for July and it addresses a lot of concerns voiced here and elsewhere, it may indicate a direction of travel. However it makes it pretty expensive and heavy which of course loses one of the key advantages that many would want.

JQ

5,745 posts

179 months

Tuesday 16th April
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Graveworm said:
They first legal escooter is available to pre order for July and it addresses a lot of concerns voiced here and elsewhere, it may indicate a direction of travel. However it makes it pretty expensive and heavy which of course loses one of the key advantages that many would want.
For it to be legal, is it essentially an electric motorbike, requiring tax and insurance?

Greenmantle

1,272 posts

108 months

Tuesday 16th April
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Graveworm said:
They first legal escooter is available to pre order for July and it addresses a lot of concerns voiced here and elsewhere, it may indicate a direction of travel. However it makes it pretty expensive and heavy which of course loses one of the key advantages that many would want.
yep

(1) Too Heavy
(2) Needs a CBT & insurance
(3) Insurance provider only insuring 21 to 70 year olds
(4) MOT after year 3

misses the point completely.

andburg

7,292 posts

169 months

Tuesday 16th April
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ah yes but it requires a grandad rights driving license, current motorcycle license or CBT. It can only be used on the road and has to be registered, taxed, insured like any other electric scooter.

Other than only weighing 31kg i don't see any advantages vs something like a Super Soco CUx

am i missing something?

JQ

5,745 posts

179 months

Tuesday 16th April
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Anyone got a link to the scooter in question?

andburg

7,292 posts

169 months

Tuesday 16th April
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JQ said:
Anyone got a link to the scooter in question?
https://swiftyscooters.com/pages/swiftygo

GT500

SpidersWeb

3,636 posts

173 months

Tuesday 16th April
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Graveworm said:
They first legal escooter is available to pre order for July and it addresses a lot of concerns voiced here and elsewhere, it may indicate a direction of travel. However it makes it pretty expensive and heavy which of course loses one of the key advantages that many would want.
£3.5k, plus insurance - not going to sell too many of those, and of course as it is a moped you will need to wear a motorbike helmet to be legal.


JQ

5,745 posts

179 months

Tuesday 16th April
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andburg said:
JQ said:
Anyone got a link to the scooter in question?
https://swiftyscooters.com/pages/swiftygo

GT500
Cheers.

Graveworm

8,496 posts

71 months

Tuesday 16th April
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SpidersWeb said:
Graveworm said:
They first legal escooter is available to pre order for July and it addresses a lot of concerns voiced here and elsewhere, it may indicate a direction of travel. However it makes it pretty expensive and heavy which of course loses one of the key advantages that many would want.
£3.5k, plus insurance - not going to sell too many of those, and of course as it is a moped you will need to wear a motorbike helmet to be legal.
It's very likely, after the imperial & EU studies and recommendations, no matter what a future legal escooter looks like, helmets will be compulsory.

Edited by Graveworm on Tuesday 16th April 14:16

RizzoTheRat

25,167 posts

192 months

Tuesday 16th April
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SpidersWeb said:
£3.5k, plus insurance - not going to sell too many of those, and of course as it is a moped you will need to wear a motorbike helmet to be legal.
Are they still limited to 15mph or does that at least get lifted?

For £3.5k I can't see a single advantage that has over an electric moped that will comfortably do 40+ mph and has storage under the seat. Push the budget to about £4k and you can get 40+ miles range at 50mph.

eldar

21,763 posts

196 months

Tuesday 16th April
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Graveworm said:
It's very likely, after the imperial & EU studies and recommendations, no matter what a future legal escooter looks like, helmets will be compulsory.

Edited by Graveworm on Tuesday 16th April 14:16
Compulsory for cycles and ecycles, as well, one hopes.

andburg

7,292 posts

169 months

Tuesday 16th April
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RizzoTheRat said:
SpidersWeb said:
£3.5k, plus insurance - not going to sell too many of those, and of course as it is a moped you will need to wear a motorbike helmet to be legal.
Are they still limited to 15mph or does that at least get lifted?

For £3.5k I can't see a single advantage that has over an electric moped that will comfortably do 40+ mph and has storage under the seat. Push the budget to about £4k and you can get 40+ miles range at 50mph.
carrying capacity - its has front and rear racks so aimed at bicycle couriers
storage - its light enough to fold up and take into a lift and take to your inner city apartment for charging

thats it as far as i can tell

Soco Cu-mini has same ballpool range and speed but its £2000 cheaper

https://vmoto.co.uk/bike/super-soco-cu-mini/

Edited by andburg on Tuesday 16th April 14:31

RizzoTheRat

25,167 posts

192 months

Tuesday 16th April
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andburg said:
carrying capacity - its has front and rear racks so aimed at bicycle couriers
storage - its light enough to fold up and take into a lift and take to your inner city apartment for charging

thats it as far as i can tell

Soco Cu-mini has same ballpool range and speed but its £2000 cheaper

https://vmoto.co.uk/bike/super-soco-cu-mini/
You could fit a topbox or rack on the Soco to solve the first, but I accept storage may be an issue for many.

KingNothing

3,168 posts

153 months

Tuesday 16th April
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£3.5k eek I bought my brand new Yamaha YZF-R125 for £3.3k.

Evanivitch

20,094 posts

122 months

Tuesday 16th April
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andburg said:
carrying capacity - its has front and rear racks so aimed at bicycle couriers
storage - its light enough to fold up and take into a lift and take to your inner city apartment for charging

thats it as far as i can tell

Soco Cu-mini has same ballpool range and speed but its £2000 cheaper

https://vmoto.co.uk/bike/super-soco-cu-mini/

Edited by andburg on Tuesday 16th April 14:31
It weighs 35kg...

z4RRSchris

11,290 posts

179 months

Tuesday 16th April
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Not many people use the Rental Escooters, they are pretty pointless apart from a bit of fun.

Lime bike however are a godsend,

andburg

7,292 posts

169 months

Tuesday 16th April
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Evanivitch said:
It weighs 35kg...
Can you not lift 35KG?

not seen how they fold but i'd expect you'd be able to push one along folded with the front or rear wheel on the ground

Graveworm

8,496 posts

71 months

Tuesday 16th April
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andburg said:
Evanivitch said:
It weighs 35kg...
Can you not lift 35KG?

not seen how they fold but i'd expect you'd be able to push one along folded with the front or rear wheel on the ground
I can lift 35kgs The HSE average of manual handling limits for men are about 25kgs and women 16, so it's above that. I have carried suitcases and holdalls with 32kgs and I wouldn't choose to do that very far. Wheeling looks like a much better option but stairs are a problem.

Evanivitch

20,094 posts

122 months

Tuesday 16th April
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andburg said:
Evanivitch said:
It weighs 35kg...
Can you not lift 35KG?

not seen how they fold but i'd expect you'd be able to push one along folded with the front or rear wheel on the ground
I can carry it 10 miles if you like, but I'm not rocking up to my desk job with it.

andburg

7,292 posts

169 months

Tuesday 16th April
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Graveworm said:
I can lift 35kgs The HSE average of manual handling limits for men are about 25kgs and women 16, so it's above that. I have carried suitcases and holdalls with 32kgs and I wouldn't choose to do that very far. Wheeling looks like a much better option but stairs are a problem.
from a youtube video...doesn't show the folding but they said its half folding - the stem folds down and that appears to be at the blue lin so it should be moveable on the rear axle if held by the front end.



aside from really urban use cases where you'd wheel it into a lift and take it up to a city apartment for charing i still don't get it.