E Scooters soon to be allowed on UK roads?
Discussion
MB140 said:
Well that didn’t take long did it. Great start, could have been worse I suppose. Some poor sap could have mowed them down and then had to live with the consequences.
Teens ride hired Tees Valley e-scooters on A19 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tees-5344777...
To be fair, it is a great start.Teens ride hired Tees Valley e-scooters on A19 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tees-5344777...
“Tees Valley mayor Ben Houchen, who has been championing the pilot, said the riders' actions were "illegal" and a "flagrant breach of the rules", describing the pair as "idiots".
He said more than 500 rides had taken place since the trial started on Monday, the "overwhelming majority of which have been without incident"
If you are stupid enough to think that riding an electric scooter down the A19 is funny, then I think we can safety assume that if they ever drove a car the consequences could be potentially far worse for everyone else than if they were on a scooter.
I’m all for the use of scooters when used sensibly. Problem is some t
t will ruin in for the majority. Couple of these idiots get wiped out or cause another car to have a serious accident and the trial will result in a no, can’t be used on the road. Personally I think any road over 40mph should be a no go. Although the restricted roads in that article are confusing. Is itv40mph or everything except motorways.
t will ruin in for the majority. Couple of these idiots get wiped out or cause another car to have a serious accident and the trial will result in a no, can’t be used on the road. Personally I think any road over 40mph should be a no go. Although the restricted roads in that article are confusing. Is itv40mph or everything except motorways. MB140 said:
Well that didn’t take long did it. Great start, could have been worse I suppose. Some poor sap could have mowed them down and then had to live with the consequences.
Teens ride hired Tees Valley e-scooters on A19 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tees-5344777...
The lack of detail in that article is annoying. Teens ride hired Tees Valley e-scooters on A19 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tees-5344777...
I looked at the same story on a local news site and it says that the teenagers were pulled over at Teesside retail park. To get from Middlesbrough to Teesside retail park doesn't require you to use the A19, or for that matter any other dual carriageway road if you know the area as well as I'd imagine teenagers do.
It seems like a made up non story to me. Nobody died, there's no footage just lazy reporting and the guidance on use of scooters appears to be either misinterpreted or incorrect.
Salmonofdoubt said:
MB140 said:
Well that didn’t take long did it. Great start, could have been worse I suppose. Some poor sap could have mowed them down and then had to live with the consequences.
Teens ride hired Tees Valley e-scooters on A19 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tees-5344777...
The lack of detail in that article is annoying. Teens ride hired Tees Valley e-scooters on A19 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tees-5344777...
I looked at the same story on a local news site and it says that the teenagers were pulled over at Teesside retail park. To get from Middlesbrough to Teesside retail park doesn't require you to use the A19, or for that matter any other dual carriageway road if you know the area as well as I'd imagine teenagers do.
It seems like a made up non story to me. Nobody died, there's no footage just lazy reporting and the guidance on use of scooters appears to be either misinterpreted or incorrect.
Sadly, it’s hardly surprising that news outlets will he desperately looking for absolutely any ‘shock horror’ story about e-scooters, just because they are a new thing.
Salmonofdoubt said:
The lack of detail in that article is annoying.
I looked at the same story on a local news site and it says that the teenagers were pulled over at Teesside retail park. To get from Middlesbrough to Teesside retail park doesn't require you to use the A19, or for that matter any other dual carriageway road if you know the area as well as I'd imagine teenagers do.
It seems like a made up non story to me. Nobody died, there's no footage just lazy reporting and the guidance on use of scooters appears to be either misinterpreted or incorrect.
Again though you might be reading what you want to into it. I looked at the same story on a local news site and it says that the teenagers were pulled over at Teesside retail park. To get from Middlesbrough to Teesside retail park doesn't require you to use the A19, or for that matter any other dual carriageway road if you know the area as well as I'd imagine teenagers do.
It seems like a made up non story to me. Nobody died, there's no footage just lazy reporting and the guidance on use of scooters appears to be either misinterpreted or incorrect.
The police could easily have caught them on the A19 and guided them into the retail park before stopping them. Equally, just because you don’t have to use the A19 to get to the retail park, doesn’t mean that they didn’t.
Either way, it’s not a surprise that there is a story of someone doing something stupid, as that’s always going to happen with anything new. It’s too early for them to balls it up for everyone else though.
Lord Marylebone said:
To be fair, it is a great start.
“Tees Valley mayor Ben Houchen, who has been championing the pilot, said the riders' actions were "illegal" and a "flagrant breach of the rules", describing the pair as "idiots".
He said more than 500 rides had taken place since the trial started on Monday, the "overwhelming majority of which have been without incident"
If you are stupid enough to think that riding an electric scooter down the A19 is funny, then I think we can safety assume that if they ever drove a car the consequences could be potentially far worse for everyone else than if they were on a scooter.
I'd be interested to get the full picture, including the minority which were "with incident" - but I recognise that it's not in the interest of the involved parties to give that information“Tees Valley mayor Ben Houchen, who has been championing the pilot, said the riders' actions were "illegal" and a "flagrant breach of the rules", describing the pair as "idiots".
He said more than 500 rides had taken place since the trial started on Monday, the "overwhelming majority of which have been without incident"
If you are stupid enough to think that riding an electric scooter down the A19 is funny, then I think we can safety assume that if they ever drove a car the consequences could be potentially far worse for everyone else than if they were on a scooter.
Salmonofdoubt said:
MB140 said:
Well that didn’t take long did it. Great start, could have been worse I suppose. Some poor sap could have mowed them down and then had to live with the consequences.
Teens ride hired Tees Valley e-scooters on A19 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tees-5344777...
The lack of detail in that article is annoying. Teens ride hired Tees Valley e-scooters on A19 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tees-5344777...
I looked at the same story on a local news site and it says that the teenagers were pulled over at Teesside retail park. To get from Middlesbrough to Teesside retail park doesn't require you to use the A19, or for that matter any other dual carriageway road if you know the area as well as I'd imagine teenagers do.
It seems like a made up non story to me. Nobody died, there's no footage just lazy reporting and the guidance on use of scooters appears to be either misinterpreted or incorrect.
tony wright said:
Think the referral is to this part of the news story
“ According to guidelines, the 11.5mph e-scooters can be ridden on any road apart from the motorway.
But a Cleveland Police spokeswoman said they were not permitted on roads with a speed limit above 40mph“.
Can the operator set a limit of where they can be used? Or the local council restrict use? Just wondering more than anything else. “ According to guidelines, the 11.5mph e-scooters can be ridden on any road apart from the motorway.
But a Cleveland Police spokeswoman said they were not permitted on roads with a speed limit above 40mph“.
unident said:
tony wright said:
Think the referral is to this part of the news story
“ According to guidelines, the 11.5mph e-scooters can be ridden on any road apart from the motorway.
But a Cleveland Police spokeswoman said they were not permitted on roads with a speed limit above 40mph“.
Can the operator set a limit of where they can be used? Or the local council restrict use? Just wondering more than anything else. “ According to guidelines, the 11.5mph e-scooters can be ridden on any road apart from the motorway.
But a Cleveland Police spokeswoman said they were not permitted on roads with a speed limit above 40mph“.
More madness - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-535794...
Mort7 said:
More madness - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-535794...
Alan Partridge needs to do this 
Personal electric mobility devices will in the future come in all shapes and sizes.
Right now we have e-bikes which are legal V e-scooters which aren't but fundamentally there's no real difference.
Wouldn't it be simpler just to legalise any motorised electric device that have a weight less than say 25kgs and a max speed whilst driven by said motor of 15mph.
That way the market can develop and evolve without having to legalise every device according to its name.
The rues and regs about how they are used don't need to change as they're already pretty much in place for push bikes.
Anything outside of this like electric motorbikes can remain in the licensed vehicle bit as they do now.
Right now we have e-bikes which are legal V e-scooters which aren't but fundamentally there's no real difference.
Wouldn't it be simpler just to legalise any motorised electric device that have a weight less than say 25kgs and a max speed whilst driven by said motor of 15mph.
That way the market can develop and evolve without having to legalise every device according to its name.
The rues and regs about how they are used don't need to change as they're already pretty much in place for push bikes.
Anything outside of this like electric motorbikes can remain in the licensed vehicle bit as they do now.
Harry H said:
Personal electric mobility devices will in the future come in all shapes and sizes.
Right now we have e-bikes which are legal V e-scooters which aren't but fundamentally there's no real difference.
Wouldn't it be simpler just to legalise any motorised electric device that have a weight less than say 25kgs and a max speed whilst driven by said motor of 15mph.
That way the market can develop and evolve without having to legalise every device according to its name.
The rues and regs about how they are used don't need to change as they're already pretty much in place for push bikes.
Anything outside of this like electric motorbikes can remain in the licensed vehicle bit as they do now.
Whilst I don't fundamentally disagree with your suggestion. There are differences between ebikes and scooters. The former still gives some exercise and the latter has a greater stopping distance. Right now we have e-bikes which are legal V e-scooters which aren't but fundamentally there's no real difference.
Wouldn't it be simpler just to legalise any motorised electric device that have a weight less than say 25kgs and a max speed whilst driven by said motor of 15mph.
That way the market can develop and evolve without having to legalise every device according to its name.
The rues and regs about how they are used don't need to change as they're already pretty much in place for push bikes.
Anything outside of this like electric motorbikes can remain in the licensed vehicle bit as they do now.
Graveworm said:
Harry H said:
Personal electric mobility devices will in the future come in all shapes and sizes.
Right now we have e-bikes which are legal V e-scooters which aren't but fundamentally there's no real difference.
Wouldn't it be simpler just to legalise any motorised electric device that have a weight less than say 25kgs and a max speed whilst driven by said motor of 15mph.
That way the market can develop and evolve without having to legalise every device according to its name.
The rues and regs about how they are used don't need to change as they're already pretty much in place for push bikes.
Anything outside of this like electric motorbikes can remain in the licensed vehicle bit as they do now.
Whilst I don't fundamentally disagree with your suggestion. There are differences between ebikes and scooters. The former still gives some exercise and the latter has a greater stopping distance. Right now we have e-bikes which are legal V e-scooters which aren't but fundamentally there's no real difference.
Wouldn't it be simpler just to legalise any motorised electric device that have a weight less than say 25kgs and a max speed whilst driven by said motor of 15mph.
That way the market can develop and evolve without having to legalise every device according to its name.
The rues and regs about how they are used don't need to change as they're already pretty much in place for push bikes.
Anything outside of this like electric motorbikes can remain in the licensed vehicle bit as they do now.
Graveworm said:
Whilst I don't fundamentally disagree with your suggestion. There are differences between ebikes and scooters. The former still gives some exercise and the latter has a greater stopping distance.
I saw a couple being taken away in Kingston town centre the other day, but they looked to be caught up in a blitz on regular cyclists rather than any specific targeting. It's a bit confusing there at the best of times, especially as, until recently, there were no people about. The strange thing was - cyclists quickly cottoned on but, scooters, seemed to carry on just sailing up to where they were being stopped. Edited by Graveworm on Thursday 30th July 12:53
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