Inconsiderate neighbourly parking - New restrictions?

[Flumpo]

A1VDY said:

Drumroll said:

Mr_Megalomaniac said:

I live in a new development in Kent. It's a mixture of detached, semi-detached and somewhat more affordable terraced housing. Because it's just out of town naturally everyone has cars for convenience of commuting and getting about. Some of the properties are larger and have garages and others do not. The roads around the estate are quite narrow though.

Narrow roads are the problem with most modern housing estates.

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This.
Narrow roads, supposed detached houses built within 2ft of each other. Places built with no driveways, instead a communal car park which no one will use because of the fear of exercise walking back to their property. Front door within 2ft of the pavement and generally living on top of one another.
Usually after a very short period of time these cheaply built places end up like the classic sinkhole estates..

That’s half of the problem. My in laws have a large Victorian property with plenty of space from the surrounding detached properties.

That hasn’t stopped an extended family of taxi drivers buying and sharing one of these houses. What should be ample parking now has 8 normal taxis, a clapped out mini bus and their personal cars. Although the in-laws have a drive, it’s difficult to get in and out and caused chaos for bin men.

With many new builds the government decided if you restrict spaces you restrict cars. The problem, as with my in-laws, is that people buy houses that don’t suit their needs. In this case parking, throw in a good dollop of self entitlement and lack of respect for others and this is what happens.

[Flumpo]

Flumpo said:

A1VDY said:

Drumroll said:

Mr_Megalomaniac said:

I live in a new development in Kent. It's a mixture of detached, semi-detached and somewhat more affordable terraced housing. Because it's just out of town naturally everyone has cars for convenience of commuting and getting about. Some of the properties are larger and have garages and others do not. The roads around the estate are quite narrow though.

Narrow roads are the problem with most modern housing estates.

^
This.
Narrow roads, supposed detached houses built within 2ft of each other. Places built with no driveways, instead a communal car park which no one will use because of the fear of exercise walking back to their property. Front door within 2ft of the pavement and generally living on top of one another.
Usually after a very short period of time these cheaply built places end up like the classic sinkhole estates..

That’s half of the problem. My in laws have a large Victorian property with plenty of space from the surrounding detached properties.

That hasn’t stopped an extended family of taxi drivers buying and sharing one of these houses. What should be ample parking now has 8 normal taxis, a clapped out mini bus and their personal cars. Although the in-laws have a drive, it’s difficult to get in and out and caused chaos for bin men.

With many new builds the government decided if you restrict spaces you restrict cars. The problem, as with my in-laws, is that people buy houses that don’t suit their needs. In this case parking, throw in a good dollop of self entitlement and lack of respect for others and this is what happens.

Forgot to say my actual point. This will be the tip of the iceberg. They are probably better moving before the loud music, constant smoking bbq, weed being smoked in the garden, putting stuff in their recycling bin and god knows what else starts.

[Sheepshanks]

Flumpo said:

Forgot to say my actual point. This will be the tip of the iceberg. They are probably better moving before the loud music, constant smoking bbq, weed being smoked in the garden, putting stuff in their recycling bin and god knows what else starts.

Worst thing of all.....they get a VAN.

[Flumpo]

Sheepshanks said:

Flumpo said:

Forgot to say my actual point. This will be the tip of the iceberg. They are probably better moving before the loud music, constant smoking bbq, weed being smoked in the garden, putting stuff in their recycling bin and god knows what else starts.

Worst thing of all.....they get a VAN.

And they shout over do you like the new transit, when it’s clearly a vivaro.

[Welshbeef]

That’s a bloody PITA.

Frankly the route cause of the issue is with the poor planning of the development and all the others simply inadequate parking.

I feel for your neighbour.
The thing is as Julian has asked is it a two way or one way street? If it’s two way and therefore big enough for two cars they are in reality breaking no laws.
Parking their own car over their drive would Roulyally piss them off and I’d wager they may then park so tight to the parking exit (on the side of the road the house is) that getting out would require mounting the kerb in the other side due to no angle to turn.

We live in a street where most people have extended drives with space for 3-4 cars. Anyway our Meighbour doesn’t and instead parks one of his two cars on the road. If it gets busy or someone takes “his spot” as soon as that car moves he’s out getting his car on the road and also his second car onto the road too leaving his drive empty but him keeping “his” two spots.
It used to fk me right off / before we had our drive extended as he would also park in such a way you could only get two cars instead of three comfortably in the spaces. Anyway drive for 4-5 cars now and have done for a few years not once had parking space worry and instead simply grin when I see the nonsense that he must worry about

[oyster]

Alan535 said:

oyster said:

I wonder if one day we’ll look back at episodes like this with astonishment that we stored so much under-utilised machinery.

There’s so much ‘pooling’ of resources elsewhere in our lives that it will become inevitable for cars in our suburban neighbourhoods.

Get on a bus and you will see why owning is so very worth it.

I wasn’t thinking public transport, more sharing/utilisation of private transport.

For example, in my small road there are 3 maybe 4 cars that people use just for runs to the tip. They spend probably 166 hours per week unused. A big waste of money (and parking spaces)

[hutchst]

Flumpo said:

That’s half of the problem. My in laws have a large Victorian property with plenty of space from the surrounding detached properties.

That hasn’t stopped an extended family of taxi drivers buying and sharing one of these houses. What should be ample parking now has 8 normal taxis, a clapped out mini bus and their personal cars. Although the in-laws have a drive, it’s difficult to get in and out and caused chaos for bin men.

With many new builds the government decided if you restrict spaces you restrict cars. The problem, as with my in-laws, is that people buy houses that don’t suit their needs. In this case parking, throw in a good dollop of self entitlement and lack of respect for others and this is what happens.

Other solutions might be available if they are running a business from residential property without the necessary approvals.

[Welshbeef]

Mr_Megalomaniac said:

Apologies for the lack of clarity. What I'm saying is that with the one car parked by the selfish neighbour, you could *barely* get a small car past, but not a large one.
With no cars parked, and the road clear you could get a truck by there.

I'm sure the friendly neighbours can 'manage' in the sense that they eventually get it done, but it is with considerable difficulty, a 30 point turn and much wasted time so they don't accidently bump the other car. I think their request is reasonable especially as the other bloke knows he bought a property with 1 spot and has brought 4 cars along to the party.
It needn't be a big issue, but save for the fact the one bloke is being very inconsiderate to others persistently. Personally I'm no fan of parking restrictions but it's the one time I have seen it would actually make life better for people in 3 households who are affected by it. The bloke causing the issue would still suffer no hardship either as there's still ample parking right nearby.

Have to be honest if someone was doing that to me I’d part the Mrs car opposite our driveway (or Mine) if it was causing such an issue.

I’d also ensure that one car is left there for 2.5 weeks in the summer when we go away for hols or any hols actually so there is no chance of them switching one car in for another

Or I’d actually more likely park one of our cars beside our drive exist on our side of the road. Given OP has stated it’s not wide enough to have 2x Parked cars either side of the road and enough space for cars to drove through this again would force them to park elsewhere. Do it long enough they will get the message

[hotchy]

Welshbeef said:

Mr_Megalomaniac said:

Apologies for the lack of clarity. What I'm saying is that with the one car parked by the selfish neighbour, you could *barely* get a small car past, but not a large one.
With no cars parked, and the road clear you could get a truck by there.

I'm sure the friendly neighbours can 'manage' in the sense that they eventually get it done, but it is with considerable difficulty, a 30 point turn and much wasted time so they don't accidently bump the other car. I think their request is reasonable especially as the other bloke knows he bought a property with 1 spot and has brought 4 cars along to the party.
It needn't be a big issue, but save for the fact the one bloke is being very inconsiderate to others persistently. Personally I'm no fan of parking restrictions but it's the one time I have seen it would actually make life better for people in 3 households who are affected by it. The bloke causing the issue would still suffer no hardship either as there's still ample parking right nearby.

Have to be honest if someone was doing that to me I’d part the Mrs car opposite our driveway (or Mine) if it was causing such an issue.

I’d also ensure that one car is left there for 2.5 weeks in the summer when we go away for hols or any hols actually so there is no chance of them switching one car in for another

Or I’d actually more likely park one of our cars beside our drive exist on our side of the road. Given OP has stated it’s not wide enough to have 2x Parked cars either side of the road and enough space for cars to drove through this again would force them to park elsewhere. Do it long enough they will get the message

This is what I was going to say. Park across his own dropped curb driveway. Then they cant park at the other side.

Or constantly reverse straight into the offending car daily. 3 or 4 times on each car and theyll get the message.

[borcy]

Welshbeef said:

We live in a street where most people have extended drives with space for 3-4 cars. Anyway our Meighbour doesn’t and instead parks one of his two cars on the road. If it gets busy or someone takes “his spot” as soon as that car moves he’s out getting his car on the road and also his second car onto the road too leaving his drive empty but him keeping “his” two spots.
It used to fk me right off / before we had our drive extended as he would also park in such a way you could only get two cars instead of three comfortably in the spaces. Anyway drive for 4-5 cars now and have done for a few years not once had parking space worry and instead simply grin when I see the nonsense that he must worry about

I wonder why people do that? If you've a drive use it.

[Pegscratch]

borcy said:

I wonder why people do that? If you've a drive use it.

In some cases, a complete inability to undertake any forward planning particularly where driveways are two spaces nose-to-tail. They've invariably "upgraded" from sinkhole estates where there was one or no spaces allocated and as a result once the two minutes of honeymoon period have expired they resort to leaving one car on the drive and one parked obnoxiously on "their bit! of the road rather than establishing who is leaving first in the morning and parking in such a fashion that that is not an issue.

[speedking31]

i wouldn't dream of trying to engage a parking enforcement company. The grief of getting legitimately parked cars ticketed, advance planning for visitors, difficulties when you have tradesmen in, or courtesy cars etc. would be much more inconvenient generally than one person having a bit of difficulty getting off their drive.

[SamR380]

Pegscratch said:

In some cases, a complete inability to undertake any forward planning particularly where driveways are two spaces nose-to-tail. They've invariably "upgraded" from sinkhole estates where there was one or no spaces allocated and as a result once the two minutes of honeymoon period have expired they resort to leaving one car on the drive and one parked obnoxiously on "their bit! of the road rather than establishing who is leaving first in the morning and parking in such a fashion that that is not an issue.

I don't think that's it. My neighbours have a driveway for two cars side-by-side but every morning at 0700 they get their cars out and park them on the road. Then at around 2200 they move them back to their driveway. Wierd!

[borcy]

SamR380 said:

I don't think that's it. My neighbours have a driveway for two cars side-by-side but every morning at 0700 they get their cars out and park them on the road. Then at around 2200 they move them back to their driveway. Wierd!

That's even stranger, if you can't park that's one thing. I guess it's some wierd territorial thing.

[donkmeister]

We have an odd one... Our neighbours have six cars due to grown-up children returning, plus work vehicles. Rather than use their one-car drive for one of these they opt to park across their drive, which means they are squeezing two car lengths (9-10 metres) into what should be a car length plus a car width (7 metres). What is annoying is it blocks our view coming off our drive and reduces the splay from our drive to zero on one side, and if they park one of the other four cars outside our house they often block that splay too. Bah. People.

[vindaloo79]

SamR380 said:

I don't think that's it. My neighbours have a driveway for two cars side-by-side but every morning at 0700 they get their cars out and park them on the road. Then at around 2200 they move them back to their driveway. Wierd!

My late grandfather moved his old fiesta from the shade to the sun each morning (still on his drive).

Now my car is in a north facing drive and Has cold pleather seats and condensation each winter day, I see why he would bother doing that to warm it up.

Could that be it?

[SamR380]

vindaloo79 said:

My late grandfather moved his old fiesta from the shade to the sun each morning (still on his drive).

Now my car is in a north facing drive and Has cold pleather seats and condensation each winter day, I see why he would bother doing that to warm it up.

Could that be it?

Nah, rain or shine, summer or winter its the same. I just think they don't want anyone parking outside their house (or mine!).

[Sheepshanks]

SamR380 said:

I don't think that's it. My neighbours have a driveway for two cars side-by-side but every morning at 0700 they get their cars out and park them on the road. Then at around 2200 they move them back to their driveway. Wierd!

I can remember my granddad doing that in the 60's - getting the car out in the morning "in case they needed to use it". I think with people of his age it kind of a showing off thing.


We live near the increasingly busy village school and oddly one of my retired neighbours has started putting his car on the road before the school run starts and putting it away again afterwards. He seems a perfectly normal guy but I have absolutely no idea why he does that - the school-run mums never cause any issues, don't block the drives or park on the verges. It really must be about someone impinging on 'his' territory.

[austinsmirk]

At a previous house I lived at- it was served by a private road- that 8 of us owned.

except only 5 of us actually had land and parking attached to it.

this didn't stop one women parking on the road- that she had no right too- causing a right paid to the rest of us using this little track. proper entitled mentalist type.

except one old bloke was so blind, when he went out in his car, he kept hitting her car by accident (for comedy value- he once pulled up on the road behind a big yellow lorry. said lorry turned out to be a skip- just his vision couldn't detect it)

and then one neighbour, so p'd off with it when trying to move a project car on a car trailer-just drove the trailer down the side of her car.

some random BF of hers comes to threaten my mate- bad move- he's a massive fit 6' plus rugby captain/player of the year and all that.

so that confrontation didn't last long.

parking wars ended.


I don't think you win here- what'l happen is "someone" needs to keep damaging the cars- but factor in, every council type has cheap CCTV everywhere now

[anonymous-user]

oyster said:

I wasn’t thinking public transport, more sharing/utilisation of private transport.

For example, in my small road there are 3 maybe 4 cars that people use just for runs to the tip. They spend probably 166 hours per week unused. A big waste of money (and parking spaces)

I personally wouldnt share my car or anyone elses ,our houses are empty in the day maybe someone could use it.Anyway i dont buy into this limited resources shareing careing culture.theres plenty of stuff stop worrying.